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PS4 NDC and SWB bundles at 299.99$ starting from december 6th ( ends december 19th)

Sony really thinking very smart this gen and sure they are gonna make $299 permanent for next year too as they have big games launching next year early. Also I think Sony wants to increase the user base for the VR and we might get price and full details for the launch in PSX probably.
 
Can anyone give an estimate as to how low the price of a PS4 can realistically go in the coming years, assuming the cost of parts reduces. I'm not as knowledgeable with regard to tech as I wish I was, but how likely is it that the PS4 will reach $199 or even $99 like its predecessor, the PS2? Did the PS2 make a profit at these prices? Could parts be cheap enough in a PS4 for it also to be profitable at those prices?

More likely than Ps3 and 360, but the situation isn't apples to apples. Bear in mind that by the time Ps2 hit $99, it was 2009. That gen was pretty much over and done with, they had probably already sold north of 100 million by then. $99 point was catching the budget gamer and squeezing whatever was left out of ps2, while they went full steam ahead with Ps3.

Ps3 cost Sony ALOT of money due to the cell processor and then cutting edge bluray player, they took a major hit on the hardware to get that on the market, then dropped price less than a year later( the 60gb model dropped to $499, can't recall what happened with the 20gb model). MS also bled a ton of money on the original xbox, and while they made money on 360, they also incurred a 3 billion dollar bill due to the RROD thing. I think the xbox division overall is still in the red. I also think the cell is still pretty expensive, so economy of scales isn't in effect for ps3 as it was as Ps2. It is kind of funny, though, seeing the ps4 being marketed at $299 when the $500 ps3 is still going for north of $200.

Ps4 is pretty much off the shelf parts, which should allow for more natural price drops over time, but being far out in front they have the benefit of not needing to give away the kitchen sink like MS has had to do.
 

Bgamer90

Banned
Sony really thinking very smart this gen and sure they are gonna make $299 permanent for next year too as they have big games launching next year early. Also I think Sony wants to increase the user base for the VR and we might get price and full details for the launch in PSX probably.

Yeah, I really think they need to keep the system at $299 now due to their VR plans (I'm expecting the accessory to be at least $200).
 
It has shipped from Amazon. Can I send it back once I receive it for a full refund? If so I think I will do that.

Pretty sure you can, I've never had to. Contact customer service today and tell them you want to return for refund, or exchange for the $299 BF bundle when it becomes available. I have a feeling that alot of people may have bought the BF bundle for $299 had it been available on black friday/cyber monday, so you're surely not the only one in this situation.
 

RibMan

Member
Ah, the lack of a BF price reduction for the Battlefront bundle makes a lot of sense now. Excellent decision to have PS4 bundles at $299.99 for the holidays. I expect Microsoft to react to this with a promotion of their own -- they cannot afford to let Sony runaway with NA. Any way you look at it, a lot of parents will be able to afford a current gen system for their kids!

In the grand scheme of
things aren't fighting games dead? They don't move consoles the way they used to anymore. They died in the 360/PS3 generation. There are still some people who like them but those games have become very niche which is why you are seeing unique pricing structures with games like KI

Has the uncharted series ever been a big system seller? I swear I thought someone broke it down awhile ago.

Don't get me wrong, PS4 will still hit those numbers but I don't think it will be due to those games.

Edit:

UC3 released in November 2011 and the most accurate number I saw for PS3 was in the 900k range. By comparison, the 360 sole 1.7M that month.

The big games that released that month were Skyrim, COD MW3, AC Revelations and BF3. UC3 is said to have sold 6M copies but that is likely to the existing UC fan base not a bunch of new users.

1) No. Fighting games did not die in the 360/PS3 era. The market has certainly contracted, but it's not at a point of 'concern'. In case you haven't followed the sales charts, one of the top selling games of the year is an old-school fighting game.

In other words, Street Fighter V will be more than fine. I can see a SFV bundle attracting a lot of casual consumers. The popularity of the franchise + the family-friendliness of the title will help in attracting a different set of customers.

2) The last console Uncharted game did 700k+ in its first month (in NA) and reviewed very favorably. The general consensus was that while it didn't live up to Uncharted 2, it was still an amazing game. With that in mind, it would take a lot of creative and marketing mistakes to make Uncharted 4 a sales disappointment. Anything can happen (story could turn out bad, multiplayer could be subpar), but I think Naughty Dog and Sony would sooner delay the game again than release it in an underwhelming state.

Barring a complete mess of a game, it's safe to predict Uncharted 4 will top both God of War 3 and Halo 5 in lifetime sales. Keep in mind that Uncharted games do well globally, and the PS4 has an advantage of having 16-17 million more consoles than the One. Again, it would take a lot of mistakes to make UC4 a sales disappointment. Thanks to the Nathan Drake Collection bundle and the E3 gameplay demo, UC4 is being positioned to do big numbers. Big big numbers.

Obviously, games like God of War and Gran Turismo can move consoles, but I honestly don't think that:

1) God of War 4 will be bigger than Uncharted 4

and

2) Gran Turismo Sport can be managed correctly

In other words, I think the PS4 will have a higher chance of hitting big sales numbers due to Uncharted, third-party titles, and new technologies. I don't think GoW 4 and the next GT will contribute as significant of an increase in console sales as games like Destiny, COD, and Uncharted. Those are just my thoughts.

I should mention that if games like No Man's Sky and Horizon turn out to be 'the real deal', then Sony will have two more hardware sellers. The excitement behind those games is incredible.
 
Interesting.

I'm surprised how Star Wars is apparently causing such a stir with kids and early teens. My girlfriend works in a school (UK) and she tells me the 3-6 year olds are going mad over Star Wars and they've all got those toy light-up lightsabres and thrashing them about at each other. I always thought Star Wars was a big thing for my generation and the few before it. Let's not forget that the prequels weren't as big as many expected.

The new movie will gross over $1.5 billion I'm sure and the game should ride along on that box office success.




Man, Halloween in my neighborhood was crazy. 3 out of every 4 costumes were Star Wars. Heck, I saw parents dressed up as Star Wars characters as well. Its pretty crazy how there seems to be this resurgence with the younger generations with the Star Wars brand.
 

Bluenoser

Member
15 million for 15 months is not a very impressive target. Probably lower than PS3 in the comparable time frame.

If XB1 has only sold 15 million in 24 months, and their sales are still considered "strong, just not as strong as their competition" then how is 1 million per month not impressive?
 
Obviously, games like God of War and Gran Turismo can move consoles, but I honestly don't think that:

I have to wonder just how much of a hardware mover that series is now, if it ever was. I kind of get the sense that alot of people feel like Kratos' story is done, and either asking for a different protagonist in the mythos or just move on from the series in general.
 
Man, Halloween in my neighborhood was crazy. 3 out of every 4 costumes were Star Wars. Heck, I saw parents dressed up as Star Wars characters as well. Its pretty crazy how there seems to be this resurgence with the younger generations with the Star Wars brand.

Probably between Clone Wars, Rebels, Disney Infinity, etc appealing to the newer fans. But its not just the younger kids, my 70 year old parents want to see the movie, my mother told me this yesterday. That was way out in left field.
 

Draft

Member
If XB1 has only sold 15 million in 24 months, and their sales are still considered "strong, just not as strong as their competition" then how is 1 million per month not impressive?
Spin intended to show the console industry is healthy. It's obviously bull. There is only one console selling well.
 

11redder

Member
Goddamnit, got the Unchartered bundle off ebay for my eldest kid on Black Friday. If I'd known the Star Wars bundle was going to drop to $299 I'd have held off. Hopefully, I'll be able to exchange it in-store somewhere.
 
I can't see how the early 2016 exclusive games on the PS4 will greatly boost PS4 sales during those particular months when the system is at this price during such a busy shopping period. That is unless Sony keeps the PS4 at this price.

If Sony raises the price back up then now is pretty much the best time to buy a PS4 if you are interested in the 2016 games.
Sony has the strongest exclusives (console exclusive + full exclusive) lineup for 2016 out of all three, just going off of what we know. Certainly the most diverse.

They'll probably keep it at $299 for at least a bundle or two and combined w/ those games I can easily see 2016 starting the peak phase for console sales. That usually tends to happen in years 3 and 4, at least aside from 7th gen.
 

Conduit

Banned
I can't see how the early 2016 exclusive games on the PS4 will greatly boost PS4 sales during those particular months when the system is at this price during such a busy shopping period. That is unless Sony keeps the PS4 at this price.

If Sony raises the price back up then now is pretty much the best time to buy a PS4 if you are interested in the 2016 games.

Probably will do more than Halo 5 did for Xbone.
 
I can't see how the early 2016 exclusive games on the PS4 will greatly boost PS4 sales during those particular months when the system is at this price during such a busy shopping period. That is unless Sony keeps the PS4 at this price.

If Sony raises the price back up then now is pretty much the best time to buy a PS4 if you are interested in the 2016 games.

I guess the price will go back to 349, but not for long (only because they say it will happen). Once people are used to discounts, they become patient and hold back purchases until the next discount is provided. Sony is well aware that sales of PS4 will plummet as soon as they go back to 349. But like MS one year ago they are okay with that, because December simple matters more than the three month of Q1 combined.

Talking about MS, of course they have to react, most likely within the next days they'll announce a comparable offer, maybe even a non-temporary reduction to $299.

Wonder how all that will affect PS3's life cycle. Just too expensive right now.
 
I'm expecting 50 million for PS4 at the end of next year

Quite likely, could be 36-38 million by end of 2015, and by putting it at $299( and possibly keeping it there) you're opening it up to another tier of prospective buyer who was waiting for that price. I would say that 50mil may even be a bit conservative.
 
Sony has the strongest exclusives (console exclusive + full exclusive) lineup for 2016 out of all three, just going off of what we know. Certainly the most diverse.

They'll probably keep it at $299 for at least a bundle or two and combined w/ those games I can easily see 2016 starting the peak phase for console sales. That usually tends to happen in years 3 and 4, at least aside from 7th gen.

Probably will do more than Halo 5 did for Xbone.

I honestly think that Morpheus...sorry, Playstation VR, is going to be huge and help push millions of PS4 sales more than the games mentioned.

The PS4 and PSVR is going to get the headlines, hype and excitement for being the first virtual reality product positioned for the mass market. At $300 for the console and around $350 for the headset, it's got the lowest entry point in terms of cost out of the big three VR products out there (Oculus Rift and HTC Vive both require a powerful PC).
 

Freeman

Banned
I think they will. At the end of March. $299 Uncharted 4 Bundle. Perfect K.O.

There is no reason for them not go back to 349 an see how it changes things in the slower months. Permanent cut to 299 combined with Uncharted 4 is a move you just can't counter with anything.

If PS VR is reasonably priced(199~299) and PS4 is 299$ at the time we are looking at a monster year for the PS4.

In my experience the problem most people that are not used to play games have when trying to get into games is that they just can't handle the controller, VR might just have a little bit of that Wii factor where everyone feel comfortable with its controls and likely simpler games.
 
299$ that's the magic number!!1 Guess they didn't want a repeat of last year with MS stealing the show in the US.

Sony making all the right decisions, now they only need to get that PSVR train rolling with a good price...
 

vpance

Member
I honestly think that Morpheus...sorry, Playstation VR, is going to be huge and help push millions of PS4 sales more than the games mentioned.

The PS4 and PSVR is going to get the headlines, hype and excitement for being the first virtual reality product positioned for the mass market. At $300 for the console and around $350 for the headset, it's got the lowest entry point in terms of cost out of the big three VR products out there (Oculus Rift and HTC Vive both require a powerful PC).

40 million install base before PS VR releases. If %10 of owners pick one up in the first year that's 4 million headsets sold. Not bad.
 

Boke1879

Member
There is no reason for them not go back to 349 an see how it changes things in the slower months. Permanent cut to 299 combined with Uncharted 4 is a move you just can't counter with anything.

If PS VR is reasonably priced(199~299) and PS4 is 299$ at the time we are looking at an insane year for the PS4.

Yea I can see the price going back up. At least until UC4 releases. At $299 Sony will sell a shit ton and at some point you have to wonder can they even meet up with that demand. Like many here have said. $299 opens up another tier of potential buyers.

I can see the price being $350 up until UC4 and then they do and official price drop.
 
There is no reason for them not go back to 349 an see how it changes things in the slower months. Permanent cut to 299 combined with Uncharted 4 is a move you just can't counter with anything.

If PS VR is reasonably priced(199~299) and PS4 is 299$ at the time we are looking at an insane year for the PS4.

If the launch software for PS VR turns out great then sony can try to take a loss on hardware for profits from software. They really trying very hard in the VR software and hope to see glimpse of it in PSX.
 

DieH@rd

Banned
Huh.

I guess they'll make the $299 price permanent in January.

No way. Just days ago they dropped dropped price to from [very well selling] $400 console to $350. They can milk $350 for entire 2016, and market will not punish them because PS4 is viewed as very desirable console.
 

smisk

Member
I'm amazed they're having so many sales already, only a couple years into the PS4. Even though I mainly play on PC that Uncharted bundle is looking really tempting.
 
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