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Amiibo Wolf Link to unlock a new dungeon in Twilight Princess HD ?

I'm not really clear on what makes a digital purchaser a "dumbass."

Digital on console is the worst way to buy games.

*Games are MSRP with retail copies but get infrequent price drops if at all, plus you can't leverage retail rewards/etc unless you buy digital currency at a B&M store, which defeats the entire point of going digital.

*You have to spend extra money for external storage to hold the game downloads, or you have to spend hours redownloading stuff if you keep rotating games, not to mention having to keep your licenses up to date with the hardware if you change systems.

*You give up any and all ownership/resell/loaning rights since you're just buying a license.

*The license can and eventually will be revoked, so if 10 years down the line you want to replay a game but the game was pulled/the digital service is offline then tough shit.

The only benefits to digital are that you don't have to rely on retail for a physical version and that you can boot the game without having to insert physical media. You're trading every consumer right/benefit you have in purchasing games for the convenience of not having to move. It's dumb and lazy.
 

JoeM86

Member
Interestingly, the Wolf Link amiibo has a standard use in Hyrule Warriors but a unique use in Hyrule Warriors Legend. I'm curious about that.

So that's two games it does unique stuff in so far and eight that it has standard uses in.

That's a lot of compatibility for a £10.99 figure, and that's just going to grow so I don't see the issue as overblown as you guys do :/
 

Somnid

Member
I can't seem to find just the amiibo in North America

The game isn't sold without the Amiibo in North America as far as I can tell. It's probably going to be like Chibi Robo where it'll be made available after the game releases for digital and collectors without the game.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
It's a new amiibo for an old game. New content had to be developed for it. Or should they have cut something from the old game? The new content is something that the old game is not lacking anyhow. The new amiibo will work also with the new Zelda (so practically kind of a season pass). Horrible.
 

hohoXD123

Member
No. It's "anti-consumer" to you because you aren't interested in the figure but would like the bonus content.

If my child desires a happy meal toy but doesn't want to purchase the food and drink, it's not an "anti-consumer" practice on the part of McDonald's.

Let's use the phrase when it actually applies.

Ignore the toy for a second, do you view on-disc DLC which requires additional payment as anti-consumer?
 
Interestingly, the Wolf Link amiibo has a standard use in Hyrule Warriors but a unique use in Hyrule Warriors Legend. I'm curious about that.

So that's two games it does unique stuff in so far and eight that it has standard uses in.

That's a lot of compatibility for a £10.99 figure, and that's just going to grow so I don't see the issue as overblown as you guys do :/

Let's say that Wolf Link + Midna is really popular (why is it the "Wolf Link" amiibo anyway? As if anyone is buying it for Wolf Link). If it is, could I truly expect to pay only that much for it?
 
Ignore the toy for a second, do you view on-disc DLC which requires additional payment as anti-consumer?

No. It's a practice that I'm not always fond of, but I don't consider it "anti-consumer".

Like, I don't consider Skylanders to be an "anti-consumer" product in any way.
 

JoeM86

Member
Tell me where does the ''this DLC exist only thanks to Amiibos'' line of thinking come from? Because Nintendo was producing DLC just fine before Amiibos were a thing.

Yeah that's not what I said. I said that the content being "locked behind amiibo" wouldn't exist if not for the amiibo, except maybe the Splatoon challenges. Please don't put words in my mouth

Because most people aren't getting a Splatoon Squid as their first amiibo, and thus virtually everything that it does, something you already own is doing also (and sometimes better depending on which amiibo it is). They need to develop unique, small content for each amiibo like they did in Super Mario Maker, not say "amiibo detected, doing something".

I agree that they need more unique uses, but then we'd have the same complaints. However, we shouldn't dismiss their usage in other games just because it's generic.

Let's say that Wolf Link + Midna is really popular (why is it the "Wolf Link" amiibo anyway? As if anyone is buying it for Wolf Link). If it is, could I truly expect to pay only that much for it?

If it were this time last year, I'd have said probably not. However, the amiibo shortages are a thing of the past now and scalping amiibo is a pretty much a thing of the past too. There may still be some being done, but it's so easy to go out and get an amiibo now. At least it is here.

It's a new amiibo for an old game. New content had to be developed for it. Or should they have cut something from the old game? The new content is something that the old game is not lacking anyhow. The new amiibo will work also with the new Zelda (so practically kind of a season pass). Horrible.

Exactly. If Nintendo had locked some existing content behind the amiibo, I too would be angry, but instead they developed this for the amiibo. I'm fine with that.
 

Chopper

Member
Tell me where does the ''this DLC exist only thanks to Amiibos'' line of thinking come from? Because Nintendo was producing DLC just fine before Amiibos were a thing.
No-one said "DLC exist only thanks to Amiibos". Amiibo-linked content only exists thanks to amiibo. They are still releasing DLC, and the difference between the two types of content are clear.
 

mhayes86

Member
It wouldn't be that bad if you didn't have to sell your first born for some amiibos (I have seen them cheaper now, though). I'm not sure how rare Wolf Link will be, but considering it's been sold out for a while, a lot of people will be locked out of good content if this is true.

Glad I got my pre-order in right after it was announced.
 
Then in this scenario it would have been DLC. So again, you'd rather buy content for Twilight Princess and then buy content for Zelda Wii U instead of paying once for an amiibo?

It should tbh have been new content ,,for free", considering that other remasters of the same level usually come in collections that are still cheaper than this project's full price.
 
I agree that they need more unique uses, but then we'd have the same complaints. However, we shouldn't dismiss their usage in other games just because it's generic.

But Super Mario Maker is a testament of balance. You can either get costumes with amiibo, or get costumes with effort.

If it were this time last year, I'd have said probably not. However, the amiibo shortages are a thing of the past now and scalping amiibo is a thing of the past.

I still can't buy Lucina for the MSRP, and IIRC that will actually unlock content for Fates.
 

JoeM86

Member
It wouldn't be that bad if you didn't have to sell your first born for some amiibos (I have seen them cheaper now, though). I'm not sure how rare Wolf Link will be, but considering it's been sold out for a while, a lot of people will be locked out of good content if this is true.

Glad I got my pre-order in right after it was announced.

That's not the case anymore though. amiibo are in good supply.

I still can't buy Lucina for the MSRP, and IIRC that will actually unlock content for Fates.

That sucks :/ I saw one in my local Smyths the other day. They're definitely out there.
 
There's only one Twilight Princess HD retail SKU solicited to date in the US and it's the amiibo bundle. That could change, but if they're going to make the amiibo remotely important to gameplay in any way, I imagine they will make it a point to manufacture an adequate or nearly adequate supply.
 

Platy

Member
I love how the entire outrage is based on the fact that people are SURE that it is a COMPLETLY NEW DUNGEUN WITH PUZZLES AND ROMS AND STUFF, while we don't even know if it is a small cave with a few extra itens or a shop.

BEST CASE SCENARIO it is a new Cave of Ordeals boss rush like stuff.
Worst case scenario is a small cave holding a rupee that is worth 2000 green rupees

If you follow Nintendo you know that the worst case scenario is way more likely always =P
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
Let's say that Wolf Link + Midna is really popular (why is it the "Wolf Link" amiibo anyway? As if anyone is buying it for Wolf Link). If it is, could I truly expect to pay only that much for it?

£10.99? Sure, most Amiibo have settled in price now. The boom is long gone.
 

Faustek

Member
For everyone complaining, this is hardly the first time Nintendo has done something like this, especially with the Zelda franchise.

The Oracle games were developed for GBC, but if you had a GBA, it unlocked the Advance Shop in the towns that sold in-game exclusive rings. All that content was on the cart, but was locked until you bought a $100 system. Be glad the new dungeon isn't locked behind the purchase of an NX.


I had forgotten that. :|

Digital on console is the worst way to buy games.

*Games are MSRP with retail copies but get infrequent price drops if at all, plus you can't leverage retail rewards/etc unless you buy digital currency at a B&M store, which defeats the entire point of going digital.

Was a long time ago I saw any drops on a Nintendo game. Would be the Nintendo Selects versions though.

That's not the case anymore though. amiibo are in good supply.

huh? I'm still waiting for a few I've had ordered for at least 6 months. They aren't in supply.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I never said the limited edition was sold out, what I said is that, outside the US, the standard edition comes without the Amiibo. The Limited edition is full price which is way too much for a remaster of a single game.

So you're complaining about having the option of buying it with or without amiibo while complaining that the game with amiibo is too expensive.
 
I love how the entire outrage is based on the fact that people are SURE that it is a COMPLETLY NEW DUNGEUN WITH PUZZLES AND ROMS AND STUFF, while we don't even know if it is a small cave with a few extra itens or a shop.

BEST CASE SCENARIO it is a new Cave of Ordeals boss rush like stuff.
Worst case scenario is a small cave holding a rupee that is worth 2000 green rupees

If you follow Nintendo you know that the worst case scenario is way more likely always =P
Fucking Magic Armor pay to win Kappa
 
I haven't been following this Amiibo stuff at all so I am sorry if this is a dumb question but let me get this straight.

In order to possibly play a new dungeon I have to buy a toy?
 

sensui-tomo

Member
Yet I could envision Midna still selling out. Lucina is $32.98 on Amazon right now, for instance.

She hasnt been restocked yet, which should happen around FE Fates release, along with robin amiibos. That'll crash the price, hell you can find the other 2 amiibo easily if you want Fates characters.

I haven't been following this Amiibo stuff at all so I am sorry if this is a dumb question but let me get this straight.

In order to possibly play a new dungeon I have to buy a toy?

A toy which's dlc will work for another game too. Not defending amiibos but I will put the correct info out. and the toy is about $10-$14 (depending on GCU with best buy/ToysRus with inflated prices because they hate everyone )
 

Serick

Married Member
I'm getting the game with the amiibo for $47.99 shipped.

Don't see the problem.

If this was $59.99 with $15.00 of on-disc content you needed to buy I could start to understand the "outrage".

Nintendo has been great for DLC so far IMHO.
 
She hasnt been restocked yet, which should happen around FE Fates release, along with robin amiibos. That'll crash the price, hell you can find the other 2 amiibo easily if you want Fates characters.

I'm sure I could find Ike/Marth at reasonable prices if I looked, but that's the problem - I still don't want to have to go amiibo hunting, you know? If they're going to lock content to physical objects, I want to be able to at least go on Amazon and one-click order. Yet, even the cheapest of the FE figures is >$12.99.

Currently £10.99 on Amazon UK right now.

So that's more of a problem with the American market than Nintendo in general it seems.

Wouldn't surprise me
 

cmChimera

Member
Digital on console is the worst way to buy games.

*Games are MSRP with retail copies but get infrequent price drops if at all, plus you can't leverage retail rewards/etc unless you buy digital currency at a B&M store, which defeats the entire point of going digital.
There are digital sales pretty often.

*You have to spend extra money for external storage to hold the game downloads
Worth it.

*You give up any and all ownership/resell/loaning rights since you're just buying a license.
Don't care.

*The license can and eventually will be revoked, so if 10 years down the line you want to replay a game but the game was pulled/the digital service is offline then tough shit.
Has never happened to me ever, possibly because I store the downloads. So, probably will never happen to me.

The only benefits to digital are that you don't have to rely on retail for a physical version and that you can boot the game without having to insert physical media.
Well plus the fact that I don't have to store a million discs, can easily transport my library, can easily create a backup of my library, don't need to go to a store, don't need to wait on shipping etc.
It's dumb and lazy.
Describes your post.
 

Serick

Married Member
I'm sure I could find Ike/Marth at reasonable prices if I looked, but that's the problem - I still don't want to have to go amiibo hunting, you know? If they're going to lock content to physical objects, I want to be able to at least go on Amazon and one-click order. Yet, even the cheapest of the FE figures is >$12.99.

amiibo hunting is part of the fun :|
 
A toy which's dlc will work for another game too. Not defending amiibos but I will put the correct info out. and the toy is about $10-$14 (depending on GCU with best buy/ToysRus with inflated prices because they hate everyone )

Is this similar to the Skylander's stuff?
Nintendo is really forcing me a grown ass man to buy a zelda toy for $10-14 just to play additional content in a game already $60?

Seriously?
 
Like Wind Waker HD?

That was overpriced too. And this project is even a level below that, obviously on par with remasters like SotC and Kingdom Hearts, except without other games from the series included, despite being more expensive. Add the amiibo and it's a complete ripoff. From a consumer perspective, it's totally unjustified Nintendo/Zelda tax. Just because Wii U has barely has anything worthwhile to offer doesn't make remasters that special.
 

HotHamBoy

Member
Digital on console is the worst way to buy games.

*Games are MSRP with retail copies but get infrequent price drops if at all, plus you can't leverage retail rewards/etc unless you buy digital currency at a B&M store, which defeats the entire point of going digital.

*You have to spend extra money for external storage to hold the game downloads, or you have to spend hours redownloading stuff if you keep rotating games, not to mention having to keep your licenses up to date with the hardware if you change systems.

*You give up any and all ownership/resell/loaning rights since you're just buying a license.

*The license can and eventually will be revoked, so if 10 years down the line you want to replay a game but the game was pulled/the digital service is offline then tough shit.

The only benefits to digital are that you don't have to rely on retail for a physical version and that you can boot the game without having to insert physical media. You're trading every consumer right/benefit you have in purchasing games for the convenience of not having to move. It's dumb and lazy.

Maybe if you own a Nintendo console but not if you own a PS4 and a Vita. You can't change discs when remote playing. I also often wait until I get that sweet PS Plus discount. Nintendo never discounts that cheap and rarely has good sales. I also don't like having a bunch of plastic cases hangin around.
 

sensui-tomo

Member
I'm sure I could find Ike/Marth at reasonable prices if I looked, but that's the problem - I still don't want to have to go amiibo hunting, you know? If they're going to lock content to physical objects, I want to be able to at least go on Amazon and one-click order. Yet, even the cheapest of the FE figures is >$12.99.

$12.99 is msrp, also doesnt amazon and nintendo kinda have bad blood or something? I remember they stopped carrying consoles for a long while. So going to them for amiibos doesnt seem like the best of thing, considering that in mind. (not your fault more of a nintendo/amazon issue) Basically you either go to BB(cheapest with GCU)/TRU/Target/walmart or hope there is a ma/pa shop that carries them.. thats all you need to know, there isnt much besides those places. (except regional places like FRYs electronics)
 
most people have.

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Oh it includes the figure?
Ah well okay then. That changes everything. Still makes me wary of what the future will bring with this kind of BS.
 
The only benefits to digital are that you don't have to rely on retail for a physical version and that you can boot the game without having to insert physical media. You're trading every consumer right/benefit you have in purchasing games for the convenience of not having to move. It's dumb and lazy.

I feel like it's silly to dismiss this as dumb and lazy instead of just conceding that it's a different preference to your own. I feel like when some people envision why someone likes digital, they envision a person who is just too lazy to get their ass up off the couch and switch a disc, whereas I would argue that it's more of a lifestyle move. Not that I represent all digital purchasers, and not that you're super interested in my motivations, but I'll go into the benefit for myself personally.

Firstly, I never have traded in games very often. And as I grow older, I don't really find myself needing to loan out and trade games with friends. So for the most part, when I buy a game I'm more or less intending to keep it forever. Whether than means it's on constant rotation or just there to collect dust, the intent is that it's going to stay in my possession. So the ownership rights issue doesn't bother me. Further, I've been trained by years of PC gaming to accept this as the norm. I'm ok with my ownership rights.

Moving on, clutter is a real problem for both my wife and I. We already felt like we had too much crap, and now we have a four-year-old son and all the toys that he has cluttering up the house. I understand that some people love organizing their games and DVDs/Blu-Rays and having all that stuff prominently on display in their living room, but that's not us. Maybe if we were more organized, but we're not. It's bad enough that there's a Wii U, PS4, Xbox One, Cable Box, and PC all taking up space in the living room. I'd rather be as minimalist as possible with everything else.

And since I already mentioned the organization problem, keeping track of where discs went could often wind up being an actual annoyance as consoles get moved around the house across different TVs, particularly when you add in the kid wildcard into the mix. Really, it's just something that I'd rather not mess with when there's another option that's perfectly suitable to my needs. Digital ownership and Cloud streaming are godsends for us. I understand the potential pitfalls, but the benefits far outweigh them for me.
 

georly

Member
I'm sure this has been brought up before but there is absolutely NO way to tell if this would exist if amiibo didn't exist. You'd like to hope it would, but it's also possible it wouldn't. Nintendo is making a lot of money on amiibo, stands to make MORE money in the future off amiibo, so it's possible they allocated budget for an additional dungeon BECAUSE of all the extra amiibo money they have been making and will make. Hell, I bet this game sells even more just because it's bundled with an amiibo - and because of that, they were able to allocate a budget for a new dungeon.

Sure, if they were going to add it anyway and they're locking it behind an amiibo paywall, then that sucks - but we don't know that, we might never know that.

Either way, I get amiibo because I like the figures and it's nice that one figure unlocks a small amount of content over the course of several games. It's also DLC I can SHARE. I've let friends and family borrow my splatoon amiibo so they can unlock the extra missions. I couldn't do that with normal DLC.

Now i'm sure you'll all argue this shouldn't be DLC, it should be included for free - but really you can apply that to literally all DLC across all other games, so I'm not sure that argument holds anymore.

As for amiibo being a limited/hard to find thing - that's not so true anymore, but who knows with this game.

I'm sorry to all of you that feel robbed/betrayed by this news, and I can see your point of view. It sucks if you don't want/can't get the figure. You're still getting twilight princess in HD, even though I know that's not much of a consolation. Hopefully you can do what my brother does - borrow someone else's amiibo to unlock the content.
 
I would be totally fine with this... if I could buy an Amiibo in Brazil for a reasonable price. You guys have no idea how expensive these things are around here.

That said, this amiibo in particular is really cool and I'll try to get one with a friend living in the US.
 
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