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But if you game on consoles, you always have an inferior machine. Nothing has changed.
Not if I play Uncharted 4 or <insert exclusive here>.
But if you game on consoles, you always have an inferior machine. Nothing has changed.
But what YOU don't understand is that I want to hear it from daddy Cerny at the e3 stage talking to the masses. I want him to say it's gun b k and there will not be ANY ps4k exclusives and that future games will still be playable because for some reason I think my ps4 will be obsolete and won't be able to play any upcoming games. Until then I'm done with you Sony. Maybe next decade! Mobile gaming future is for me.Then....don't.
The Bioware guy retired in 2012 and has been brewing beer since then. Jesus.
My only hope is that devs don't neglect optimization of games on the original ps4 down the line because I have no interest in upgrading.
Ex-boss who retired before the current gen systems were even out. His insight obviously has more weight then me or most others here, but it's not like he's on the ground level of current development and knows the issues/problems with development in 2016 first hand. Nor has he used the dev kit.maybe. i'm not taking this colin as the next messiah but for now we have the bioware boss telling it would be a huge pain in the ass
"Most developers"?
This is going to look pretty stupid if Sony have a developer interview reel like they did when they announced the ps4 hardware.
I highly doubt they would push forward with this unless the major publishers were on board.
My only hope is that devs don't neglect optimization of games on the original ps4 down the line because I have no interest in upgrading.
AvatarquoteOne of the worst posts I've seen. Others have posted similar "Arrogant Sony is back" posts but yours is by far the worst. Adds nothing to the conversation.
Arrogant Sony is back! Didn't take long.
Hey devs...just deal with it.
But what YOU don't understand is that I want to hear it from daddy Cerny at the e3 stage talking to the masses. I want him to say it's gun b k and there will not be ANY ps4k exclusives and that future games will still be playable because for some reason I think my ps4 will be obsolete and won't be able to play any upcoming games. Until then I'm done with you Sony. Maybe next decade! Mobile gaming future is for me.
pc life too expensive for me.
Thanks for the correction. Still, the founder of BioWare has a clear enough connection to the studio to make it clear which thread I was referring to.
Outside of the impact this will have on the timeline for the development of the PlayStation 4 games, the willingness of Sony developers to optimize for the old PS4 and the likes. Would Santa Monica have tried to make something as advanced as GoW2 for the PS2 when they had a PS2.5?
Colin has strong ties with Sony's first party studios so I would assume that the person is speaking on behalf of first party devs.
I expect third party devs just not to care as well.
And unfortunately no matter how many devs or people experienced with coding say this, there will continue to be people on this and other sites who "disagree" despite not knowing what they are talking about. This behavior is unreal.
How many people enjoyed the Xbox 360 that launched without the HDD? (Arcade/Core edition, known as the "tard pack", etc.)But if you game on consoles, you always have an inferior machine. Nothing has changed.
Good to hear and hopefully developers and gamers start to become much more vocal about it. Sony needs to just write this thing off with any losses. It shouldn't make it to market.
*Devs complain about the consoles being underpowered*
*Devs complain about updated, more powerful consoles releasing*
I feel like that could happen. I know there's a rumor going around that these games will have to be optimized for both PS4 configurations, but part of me wonders if Devs will focus on the stronger hardware and then optimize less for the weaker one. Or vice versa. And will you start seeing comments around here where people complain about PS4's holding back PS4k games like we see with current X1 PS4 parity arguments?But you already have an inferior machine. You're playing on a console and not a PC.
And this isn't a slam on consoles. I'm a console gamer.
The only issue console gamers can complain is if we get games that are made for PS4K and are poor on PS4. If it's 20 fps with muddy textures on PS4 but the PS4K version is locked 30 and beautiful, then yeah, we have a problem.
Posts in this thread are so confusing... When this story broke few weeks ago I understood the concern about splitting the user base. But it looks like PS4K won't be that different from PS4 and developers will have to get the PS4 version of the game running well. If you hate the idea of PS4k just ignore it...
I don't know why developers would care that much, they could still just do a base PS4 version and no Neo enhancements. Developers who want to target the hardcore crowd can go the extra mile.
They're not forced to develop for iOS and Android though. By forcing to develop both you're encouraging more unoptimization/delays as well as undercutting some improvements that could have been made by an entirely new gen.Lmfao. This mindset of "I don't like it so it shouldn't be a thing." Needs to go. I'm sure devs hate configuring for different PC or iOS/android settings too. I'm sure they aren't jumping for joy to port games between xb1 and ps4. But they do it.
And speak for yourself. I'm interested in this thing and interested in how it plays out. If it fails sony is out a bit in R&D and I'm out like $400 bucks on a system that'll continue to play ps4 games.
Whether it fails or succeeds I foresee 2 constants. Ps4 continues to sell better than the competition, games continue to be sold and made and we all keep moving in our daily lives
And unfortunately no matter how many devs or people experienced with coding say this, there will continue to be people on this and other sites who "disagree" despite not knowing what they are talking about. This behavior is unreal.
These PC comparisons are pointless. Getting the game to run on the new system is not the issue. Giving both versions the same attention and care is potentially a big one however.
PC games accommodate a wide variety of hardware configurations, and they also tend to not be as optimized for almost any of them as a console game is for it's set of specs. Coding for consoles can very often require a very different strategy than coding for PC and there were plenty of devs that spoke about this when they first started embracing consoles last gen.
The point isn't that it's super difficult. The point is that it does require significantly more time and resources if you want both versions to be as polished as they can be. And in an industry where games cost insane amounts of both of these things as it is, it should be very easily understood why developers would have an issue with this. If you don't get this then you probably don't want to.
This would probably not be as big a deal to them if they were getting any benefit from it, but I would imagine most devs don't see the benefits outweighing the cons for them.
Colin is a republican, hence the ranting.
I don't know why developers would care that much, they could still just do a base PS4 version and no Neo enhancements. Developers who want to target the hardcore crowd can go the extra mile.
Arent they launching a 4k streaming service later this year too
Sony just shot themselves in the foot (also Microsoft).
I don't know why developers would care that much, they could still just do a base PS4 version and no Neo enhancements. Developers who want to target the hardcore crowd can go the extra mile.
Lmfao. This mindset of "I don't like it so it shouldn't be a thing." Needs to go. I'm sure devs hate configuring for different PC or iOS/android settings too. I'm sure they aren't jumping for joy to port games between xb1 and ps4. But they do it.
And speak for yourself. I'm interested in this thing and interested in how it plays out. If it fails sony is out a bit in R&D and I'm out like $400 bucks on a system that'll continue to play ps4 games.
Whether it fails or succeeds I foresee 2 constants. Ps4 continues to sell better than the competition, games continue to be sold and made and we all keep moving in our daily lives
Not necessarily true when publishers make the decision for the devs. It's fine having an opinion against it and still doing your job.
I wonder how this is going to affect indies, is Sony going to give them lax regulations?
"I don't like it so it shouldn't be a thing" is the exact reason why the Xbox One isn't a DRM box. This message board along with other social media channels flooded Sony and MS about that. And while Sony never was going to do it in the first place, it made it quite clear to them and eventually MS that it was a terrible decision. And in that case there were people who defended it and liked it as well. Even now there are some that still liked the concept of the original Xbox One. But my point was that Sony says they're listening, how much louder do people need to be when it comes to an incremental upgrade? Because I think if you just look around gaming sites you'll see constant negativity about this thing.
Problemo:
They can't make use of that extra power unless they also make use of the underpowered existing PS4.
Well they'll have to get used to it. Ms is only doing the same.
They're not forced to develop for iOS and Android though. By forcing to develop both you're encouraging more unoptimization/delays.
So your solution to shitty game optimization is to add even more effort and forced platforms?Fallout 4 was released on PS4 when PS4k didn't exist. Did that help? This fear of something that we have no idea how it will play out is buffing to me. If somebody releases a game that runs shitty on 40 million consoles, the existence of PS4k will never be a good enough excuse.
Yes it is all an elaborate April fools joke, oh wait. You wont have to buy anything if you don't want to as all of the games will work on PS4 as well as the Neo.I don't wanna buy a new Playstation just to play the same exact games, with that money I can just get a new console like the NX or w/e. I'm still hoping the Neo is just a false rumour.
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The reality here is that even if the developers are unhappy about it, if the publisher says they also need to do a Neo version and then allocates resources towards it then they will make a Neo version.
So what I want to know is what are the publishers thinking about this?
I may be wrong, but isn't part of the point of UWP to make life easier for them?