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[Xamtheking]

That's true, but I think that resolved itself - I mean, I finally was able to get in.

Just a data point to possibly look at
Also, after going through CzarTim's posts (yes, I know he was affected by the memcache shit, so I evaluated accordingly), he doesn't really poke his head in that much (again, yes, i know, constrained to mobile), talking only about how the people discussing the map were probably scum. Basically, I looked at the "strategic meatiness" of his posts and found lacking upon further review.

 

[gryvan]

Hi all, I was at church so i couldn't do anything and then there was dark souls 3...

So I'll do some quotes in order

Alright, I think I've let you guys stew long enough. I'll do the full role reveal.

I'm ScraftyDevil, the Wedding Planner. I have no idea where this flavor even came from, but I'm apparently the person who chooses the seating arrangement. During the day phase, I can decide to randomize the seating arrangement of 1 table of my choice before actions are taken. The flavor is that I had already rearranged the labels on the place settings during the day phase. However, I have to do it in a hurry so I just kind of throw them around quickly. Anyone targeted will have their action redirected to another player at that table at random (I assume Retro does a new seating arrangement for my ability when I use it, based on what he's told me.) That's about all I'm told about the map function. So, you can see why this would be mutually disruptive for all parties. The outcome could be beneficial if the mafia end up accidentally using abilities on each other.

I have a theory, based on the limitations on this ability, that there may be someone else with a similar ability in the game. However, that's just a hunch and I don't know who it would be.



I don't have to use it, but I figured what better way to use it than maybe have mafia miss a kill on the first night.

Ok thats fine. I think the ability sounds pretty interesting. What I further assume is the fact that this PR is more aligned to neutral cause it can basically screw either town or scum since it is completely random.

At this point since you revealed the role, you should probably use it due to the fact that scum will probably try to target you on the first night now. And since its one shot, you probably will have a better chance of living through the night as well.

So yeah launch i'm all up for you using that ability today.

I'm not liking this "second round" of Launch discussion. So the thread died for a while (because of the memcache error? I was afk for a good part of yesterday so I didn't notice), but then we conveniently circled around and continued discussing Launch? I don't see there being much point to discussing his role, I actually thought it was pretty straightforward - one of our tables will be shuffled before other PRs act, and we'll see our new arrangement tomorrow (barring other seat-switching mechanics, which no doubt there will be).

I have my vote on Gryvan, and I think I will be keeping it there. His only big post so far was a "table layout theories" collection that sounded like a mix of obvious and odd ways PRs could target. Then he quoted that post almost immediately after and some of the others people were posting to provide a "table theories summary". Other than that, it's all been fluff or uncertainty (couldn't decide who to target between Salva and Roy, said he wasn't sure if he believed Launch, etc).

Gryvan, I'd like to see you place a vote. Even if your first vote was semi-random between Salva and Roy (has anyone else voted for an adjacent player so far?), I would've expected you to replace it when you removed it, not just keep it to yourself.

Fake edit: I may have missed it, but what was your rationale for reducing your pool of first-vote candidates to your seat neighbors?

This tunneling of me is so unreal...I'm like...I JUST posted my theory on the map in that 1 post and bam some people in here think this is a red fucking flag right off the bat...

I mean sure I guess its way too over the top in the first 24 hour but like i said ad nausaum...WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT! AND HALF THE POSTS WERE BASICALLY FLUFF.

if your gonna base this off and assuming me as scum...oh boy do I find you the most suspicious thing in existence...

I can understand Scrafty's reasoning that it can be used as a smokescreen but let me ask you this, has it ever occurred to you that scum can use this "map theory" to put the blame on people honestly trying to figure out this whole map shenanigans?(sorry i didn't read DR or whatnot and i don't have the time to read DR to see how maps work...)

I don't think that speculating the map is inherently bad, but Scrafty did raise a valid point that it's a good smokescreen for the scum to seem active and contributive to the game, when in reality all they do is make lot of noise. For examply Gryvan, who is the most suspect due to it, has completely disappeared from the game after his lot-of-noise posts regarding the map. He hasn't even posted about Launch's claim at all.

well mr. bear now I did


So my top suspect right now off the bat:

Fireblend
CzarTim
ScraftyDevil

Fireblend tunneling me on that last post makes me really suspicious about his motives...

CzarTim wanting to just lynch anyone who started on the map theory stuff...

ScraftyDevil is pretty low on my list but still suspicious not because she mentioned about how map theory is a smokescreen for scum but after she said she was free of responsibilities, she disappeared again

feel free to look at this post and point me to any illogical reasoning so i can correct myself

 

[Fireblend]

This tunneling of me is so unreal...I'm like...I JUST posted my theory on the map in that 1 post and bam some people in here think this is a red fucking flag right off the bat...

I mean sure I guess its way too over the top in the first 24 hour but like i said ad nausaum...WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT! AND HALF THE POSTS WERE BASICALLY FLUFF.

if your gonna base this off and assuming me as scum...oh boy do I find you the most suspicious thing in existence...

Haha well this ridiculous overreaction doesn't do anything to change my opinion of you. You seem to be flip-flopping here between whether there's stuff to discuss or not - you seem to acknowledge both Launch's claim and the map theories are worth discussing, after all.

About your over-the-top paranoia, you offered some theories on the map, which were responded to in what I thought was a reasonable way, and you think that meant other people were onto you? I didn't notice anything particularly hostile about the responses you got, if anything it seems like you've got a bit of a persecution complex

And my own post wasn't meant to be that hostile either, day 1 is just a whole lot of poking and that's what I did. I'd rather focus on someone I find odd for now and pursue that instead of poking lightly at multiple players who know the vote will probably not stick.

You also conveniently ignored my 2 questions, so yeah, not what I was expecting at all but I guess valuable for my own reads nonetheless.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Well, it seems I'm finally able to rejoin the party. Machines these days are so very prone to failure...

Initially I was most suspicious of gryvan due to his multitude of fluffy comments and only real discussion being about mechanics rather than suspicion. I was writing up a formal indictment but then I went outside to have a smoke and was locked out of the reception hall overnight. It seems that since then he's contributed more, so I'll cut him the smallest bit of slack for now.

nin, on the other hand, seems to barely have done anything since last we met.

VOTE: nin1000

Show yourself, illusive one. Who do you suspect? And don't just say "everyone" like last time; I have no patience for men who are indecisive.

At this point, the only ones I really trust are Launch and Fireblend. Everyone else is ambiguous with the exception of whom I mentioned above.

 

[Ourobolus]

Why Fireblend? He's been prodding a bit, but nothing has really stood out to me as "trustworthy," or whatever the equivalent feeling is on D1.

Launch I can understand, but it's really just tentative trust until we see what happens at the start of D2. His ability is definitely of neutral utility (that doesn't mean he is neutral-aligned, however), so in theory I could see him being on either side. The fact that he's been up front about it leads me to think Town, for now, though.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Fireblend's accusations make sense, and they align somewhat with my own thoughts. He's given me no real reason to distrust him either, which is a plus. I do like a man who's determined and knows what he wants.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

In response to gryvan's post, and in case anyone is wondering or maybe just to reaffirm, I've already used my ability.

 

[nin1000]

Well, it seems I'm finally able to rejoin the party. Machines these days are so very prone to failure...

Initially I was most suspicious of gryvan due to his multitude of fluffy comments and only real discussion being about mechanics rather than suspicion. I was writing up a formal indictment but then I went outside to have a smoke and was locked out of the reception hall overnight. It seems that since then he's contributed more, so I'll cut him the smallest bit of slack for now.

nin, on the other hand, seems to barely have done anything since last we met.

VOTE: nin1000

Show yourself, illusive one. Who do you suspect? And don't just say "everyone" like last time; I have no patience for men who are indecisive.

At this point, the only ones I really trust are Launch and Fireblend. Everyone else is ambiguous with the exception of whom I mentioned above.

Everyone.

Jokes aside, atm i dont really have a "hunch" on anyone. I felt kind of bad that you called me out only because i tried to get my head around the map mechanic. Like someone else already said there was nothing else to talk about. Better stay silent next time and then call someone else out because they started talking. Well you cant make everyone happy so i take that. Atm i Trust no one, i cannot trust anyone since no one has been confirmed. It makes me chuckle that you "trust" fire and launch though. At this stage i dont have any intentions to go after launch but to say i "trust" them i a bit much wont you agree "luv" ?

 

[nin1000]

I dont even trust Launch, but i will await D2 for that matter. So please step your game up Scrafty.

 

[Fireblend]

Yeah I'm flattered but even I thought that was weird just mentioning my name like that Scrafty. Specially coming from Batman where Sorian kept agreeing with everything I said and I'll admit that probably made me think better of him than I should have fool me once...

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Your ramblings lack coherency, "love." What are you trying to prove by personally attacking a lady such as myself every time I attempt to ask simple questions? If there were any lingering threads of doubt attached to my vote before, they've now been severed completely.

 

[nin1000]

Yeah I'm flattered but even I thought that was weird just mentioning my name like that Scrafty. Specially coming from Batman where Sorian kept agreeing with everything I said and I'll admit that probably made me think better of him than I should have fool me once...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

 

[nin1000]

Your ramblings lack coherency, "love." What are you trying to prove by personally attacking a lady such as myself every time I attempt to ask simple questions? If there were any lingering threads of doubt attached to my vote before, they've now been severed completely.

You asked me who i did suspect and i gave you a response to that a simple questions deservesa simple answer dont you think ?
I did not even attack you personally Scrafty if i wanted to it would look different. If you take anything of that as a "rambling" well then i dont know what to think anymore since ramblings look different to me. How i feel about you laying a vote on me ? i feel honored :*

 

[Fireblend]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

Yep, that's the way it goes!

 

[Timeaisis]

Well, it seems I'm finally able to rejoin the party. Machines these days are so very prone to failure...

Initially I was most suspicious of gryvan due to his multitude of fluffy comments and only real discussion being about mechanics rather than suspicion. I was writing up a formal indictment but then I went outside to have a smoke and was locked out of the reception hall overnight. It seems that since then he's contributed more, so I'll cut him the smallest bit of slack for now.

nin, on the other hand, seems to barely have done anything since last we met.

VOTE: nin1000

Show yourself, illusive one. Who do you suspect? And don't just say "everyone" like last time; I have no patience for men who are indecisive.

At this point, the only ones I really trust are Launch and Fireblend. Everyone else is ambiguous with the exception of whom I mentioned above.

It's still day one. It's OK to not have a strong feeling on anyone.

That being said, here's my impressions of a few people:

ScraftyDevil - Seems to be trying to find a tree to bark up
Gryvan - Has focused on table mechanics, then had a pretty strong reaction after getting called out on it
Launchpad - I don't think he's scum, but he's got kind of a neutral vibe going on

 

[roytheone]

Yeah, that's not a great look for scrafty at all. I don't see how you can "really trust" anyone on day 1 unless you have more information thanks to your or their role. This does comes over a bit as a scum attaching itself to a towny for the advantages Burb already explained. Her calling Nins post about not trusting anyone day 1 "incoherent rambling" doesn't help with this feeling.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

It wasn't the not trusting everyone that was rambling, it was the refusal to give any thoughts and instead tell me to "step my game up" for no reason. He seems perfectly fine to simply act flippant in the face of very simple questions and I find that concerning at best.

 

[gryvan]

You also conveniently ignored my 2 questions, so yeah, not what I was expecting at all but I guess valuable for my own reads nonetheless.

completely forgot about that

so

Gryvan, I'd like to see you place a vote. Even if your first vote was semi-random between Salva and Roy (has anyone else voted for an adjacent player so far?), I would've expected you to replace it when you removed it, not just keep it to yourself.

ok

VOTE: Fireblend

I may have missed it, but what was your rationale for reducing your pool of first-vote candidates to your seat neighbors?

I looked at the map mechanic as a symmetric circular table that could have been broken into parts

Initially I was also gonna add that the person across the table of where you are can also be targetted but when i looked at the map again it was not drawn to scale so I removed that and just assumed the next logical course of it to be adjacent to each other.

However now that I think about it, it is EXTREMELY restrictive for a PR to be in that situation cause he/she will not have a lot of freedom targetting people. So that sounds highly implausible of a theory

It's still day one. It's OK to not have a strong feeling on anyone.

That being said, here's my impressions of a few people:

ScraftyDevil - Seems to be trying to find a tree to bark up
Gryvan - Has focused on table mechanics, then had a pretty strong reaction after getting called out on it
Launchpad - I don't think he's scum, but he's got kind of a neutral vibe going on

Um...technically I'm not the only person that got called out for table mechanics...its just that its annoying that it turned into this taboo shit...

 

[Fireblend]

ok

VOTE: Fireblend

Ah. going for the low hanging OMGUS vote I see. Hard to make anything of this, It probably gives about as much information to town on what to make of you as if you'd kept your vote to yourself. Will keep monitoring.

Um...technically I'm not the only person that got called out for table mechanics...its just that its annoying that it turned into this taboo shit...

Again this seems like an overreaction to me. Can you quote a single post where anyone's being as hostile as you think people are being about table mechanics? Your reaction is disproportional.

 

[gryvan]

I don't think that speculating the map is inherently bad, but Scrafty did raise a valid point that it's a good smokescreen for the scum to seem active and contributive to the game, when in reality all they do is make lot of noise. For examply Gryvan, who is the most suspect due to it, has completely disappeared from the game after his lot-of-noise posts regarding the map. He hasn't even posted about Launch's claim at all.

Another note on Mr. Bear

because of me speculating about the map, only 3 or so people object to it that it was overly too out of the box theoretically improbable nonsense...(which is true)

hence they should have just moved along and ignored me a bit because its too much ridiculousness and should have just continued on towards other discussions. I personally stopped myself from further theorizing due to the fact that some of the points were too...farfetched

but nope 2/3 objected, 1 said we should just lynch the map theorized peoples, 1 tunnelling me,

other one casually saying yeah map theory person(s) are too suspicious and considered a cover for scum so i'm gonna keep my eye on you (I mean this is true and all but it didn't sound like you were backing up those words and instead letting town decide about it)...

so i guess overall, it was a good bait....

 

[Ty4on]

Good bait for what?
Are you saying making yourself suspicious was on purpose?

 

[Ourobolus]

Good bait for what?
Are you saying making yourself suspicious was on purpose?

I don't think that was his intent, he's just saying that's how it ended up?

Regardless of intent, I am curious of the people that jumped on the Scrafty and gryvan train. That's not to say the neither of them (Scrafty/gryvan) could be scum, but it could be a place for scum to hide, in the middle of the discussion.

 

[Ty4on]

I don't think that was his intent, he's just saying that's how it ended up?

Regardless of intent, I am curious of the people that jumped on the Scrafty and gryvan train. That's not to say the neither of them (Scrafty/gryvan) could be scum, but it could be a place for scum to hide, in the middle of the discussion.

Sorry if I've missed it, but what are your thoughts on gryvan?

 

[gryvan]

Ah. going for the low hanging OMGUS vote I see. Hard to make anything of this, It probably gives about as much information to town on what to make of you as if you'd kept your vote to yourself. Will keep monitoring.

hey I've said my piece on a previous post about 3 people so...

Again this seems like an overreaction to me. Can you quote a single post where anyone's being as hostile as you think people are being about table mechanics? Your reaction is disproportional.

did I say its hostile?
no, your just putting words in my mouth that I assume people were being hostile...

I just mentioned these people don't like to discuss theorized map mechanics because "oh your gonna sound like scum"(paraphrased)

 

[gryvan]

I don't think that was his intent, he's just saying that's how it ended up?

Regardless of intent, I am curious of the people that jumped on the Scrafty and gryvan train. That's not to say the neither of them (Scrafty/gryvan) could be scum, but it could be a place for scum to hide, in the middle of the discussion.

^ this

I don't even know how to bait people in mafia...

 

[Ourobolus]

Sorry if I've missed it, but what are your thoughts on gryvan?

I haven't really had any just yet (well, I haven't vocalized them).

He's honestly one of two things in my mind. Misguided, unfortunately-maligned Town, or Scum that is acting a little paranoid (sorta like my D1 in AC).

I don't think there's inherently anything WRONG with discussing the mechanics of the map, but it is a pretty benign thing to discuss on D1, when we literally have zero factual information on how the map works (other than Launch's supposed ability). Personally I think he's the former - a townie that just got caught up in the discussion. Granted, his OMGUS vote on Fireblend isn't helping my thoughts, but I'm still currently giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

I hope to have a better read on him by day-end, similarly for the rest of the players.

 

[Ourobolus]

^ this

I don't even know how to bait people in mafia...

I was thinking this, but I didn't know how to say it without sounding like a dick, lol.

Spoiler

sorry

 

[Fireblend]

I don't think that was his intent, he's just saying that's how it ended up?

Regardless of intent, I am curious of the people that jumped on the Scrafty and gryvan train. That's not to say the neither of them (Scrafty/gryvan) could be scum, but it could be a place for scum to hide, in the middle of the discussion.

I know I'm in that group, but nonetheless, I always find this sort of arguments silly-sounding. Scum can be hiding anywhere. Oh no! He claimed something, could be scum hiding. Oh no! He poked that other guy who's acting suspicious, could be scum hiding. Oh no! He agreed with whoever, could be scum hiding. I mean, I think we're all good-enough players to know scum is probably posting in a way that doesn't make it obvious they're scum. Posting stuff like that is akin to fluff IMO like you're under some sort of pressure to post.

Spoiler

it'd be the perfect sort of post for scum to hide in guys

 

[Ourobolus]

I know I'm in that group, but nonetheless, I always find this sort of arguments silly-sounding. Scum can be hiding anywhere. Oh no! He claimed something, could be scum hiding. Oh no! He poked that other guy who's acting suspicious, could be scum hiding. Oh no! He agreed with whoever, could be scum hiding. I mean, I think we're all good-enough players to know scum is probably posting in a way that doesn't make it obvious they're scum. Posting stuff like that is akin to fluff IMO like you're under some sort of pressure to post.

Spoiler

it'd be the perfect sort of post for scum to hide in guys

No, you're right. It's definitely just one of many possibilities, and I could totally be wrong. But c'mon, it's D1. People (including myself) are going to try to find SOMETHING to go off of considering we don't have anything concrete from a PR, nor do we have a flip with which we can correlate the posts of people.

 

[Ty4on]

^ this

I don't even know how to bait people in mafia...

Something something maps, something something mechanics.

You briefly mentioned her, but do you have more thoughts on Scrafty?
Also, Scrafty, what do you think of gryvan? You seem like you should be on his tail from you opening statement, but you've barely mentioned him.

I haven't really had any just yet (well, I haven't vocalized them).

He's honestly one of two things in my mind. Misguided, unfortunately-maligned Town, or Scum that is acting a little paranoid (sorta like my D1 in AC).

He is far too relaxed in my eyes to be paranoid. I would have expected more of a backpedal from scum as well.

 

[gryvan]

Again this seems like an overreaction to me. Can you quote a single post where anyone's being as hostile as you think people are being about table mechanics? Your reaction is disproportional.

I'll list some quotes

But these aren't hostile quotes that you "assumed"

Heck I don't even read these as hostile like wtf?

I'll be honest, anyone pushing theories exceptionally hard this early on is going to pique my suspicion. It's a perfect way for unscrupulous characters to give the illusion of activity without having to actively point fingers.

first to mention it. But I can see her logic because yes, mafia CAN hide behind map theories or whatnot as a distraction...but at the same time it feels like "hey town i'll just let you guys know this sounds suspicious so i'll just mention it here and disappear"

vote: SalvaPot

Things are slow, right now I'm okay with a salva, nin, or gry lynch for the map stuff.

I know everyone felt my theory was extremely overinflated with nonsense (which is true!)

but including salva and nin who had a more plausible theory compared to mine?

Thats either just laziness or you are some highly suspicious individual...when i saw previous posts of czartim, it was basically fluff...and basing his encouragement of lynching either of the three through how overreactive the theories are...


and I am not gonna quote fireblend's tunnelvision mode of me cause I already said stuff from a previous post

none of them feel hostile to me but a certain SOMEONE assumes they are hostile to me...

 

[nin1000]

I know I'm in that group, but nonetheless, I always find this sort of arguments silly-sounding. Scum can be hiding anywhere. Oh no! He claimed something, could be scum hiding. Oh no! He poked that other guy who's acting suspicious, could be scum hiding. Oh no! He agreed with whoever, could be scum hiding. I mean, I think we're all good-enough players to know scum is probably posting in a way that doesn't make it obvious they're scum. Posting stuff like that is akin to fluff IMO like you're under some sort of pressure to post.

Spoiler

it'd be the perfect sort of post for scum to hide in guys

#scumtell

 

[Fireblend]

did I say its hostile?
no, your just putting words in my mouth that I assume people were being hostile...

Well, your phrasing and general reaction in previous posts is what leads me to think you're making arguments against table-theorizing sound like they were out for blood or something instead of just being commentary on the usefulness of said theories:

This tunneling of me is so unreal...I'm like...I JUST posted my theory on the map in that 1 post and bam some people in here think this is a red fucking flag right off the bat...

I'm not a native english speaker but I don't think people just drop f-bombs in casual conversation.

I mean sure I guess its way too over the top in the first 24 hour but like i said ad nausaum...WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT! AND HALF THE POSTS WERE BASICALLY FLUFF.

Or use all-caps to make reasonable well-thought arguments.

Um...technically I'm not the only person that got called out for table mechanics...its just that its annoying that it turned into this taboo shit...

Really, you'd call table mechanics discussion "taboo"? That's not what I've thought of at all, and I had thoughts myself on what Launch's role meant regarding the tables layout - I got some reactions from those but I'd hardly consider them unwarranted.

----

Seriously though, downplaying how disproportionate your reactions so far have been isn't gonna fly.

 

[gryvan]

Something something maps, something something mechanics.

You briefly mentioned her, but do you have more thoughts on Scrafty?

i wish, but she only posted like a total of 5?(need to count) and only 2 of them had something to say which I need to go back and read again. So theres really nothing on her for me except for that gut feeling she may be scum...

And yeah i thought scrafty would be all on me by now...I'm a little shocked myself.

 

[Fireblend]

Something something maps, something something mechanics.

You briefly mentioned her, but do you have more thoughts on Scrafty?
Also, Scrafty, what do you think of gryvan? You seem like you should be on his tail from you opening statement, but you've barely mentioned him.

He is far too relaxed in my eyes to be paranoid. I would have expected more of a backpedal from scum as well.

This is a fair point. Scrafty, you said you agreed on my positions earlier, so what are your thoughts on Gryvan? Am I still trustworthy in your eyes or has my exchange with Gryvan or maybe Ouro changed your thoughts?

 

[gryvan]

I'm not a native english speaker but I don't think people just drop f-bombs in casual conversation.

ok so I can't curse in mafia...

Or use all-caps to make reasonable well-thought arguments.

ok I can't even use some caps locks...

Really, you'd call table mechanics discussion "taboo"? That's not what I've thought of at all, and I had thoughts myself on what Launch's role meant regarding the tables layout - I got some reactions from those but I'd hardly consider them unwarranted.

apparently certain people make it sound like it?

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also this feels very familiar from a certain person that should have been lynched in batman but wasn't...and that person turned out to be scum
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I dunno, we should be moving on to try to figure out scum but your analyzing me on what feels like mafia internet jargon and discussing how I type to be scumtell

capslock?
profanity?
you don't say!

maybe next time i should put tons of smiley faces on every sentences...that way we can actually move on to a better discussion instead of talking about how I CAPSLOCK and use profane words in a wedding!

 

[gryvan]

I'm not a native english speaker but I don't think people just drop f-bombs in casual conversation.

ok so I can't curse in mafia...

redoing some stuff cause errors

 

[Xamtheking]

Gryvan, you're making mountains out of molehills, and part of me is thinking you're doing it on purpose.

 

[gryvan]

Gryvan, you're making mountains out of molehills, and part of me is thinking you're doing it on purpose.

fine i'll stop since we only have 15 hours left till day ends...

and also i wasn't doing on purpose :/

 

[SalvaPot]

The main purpose of discussing the map is to either

a) Stealthily drop hints if you are a PR, so you can claim later.

b)Try to get scum to drop info they shouldn't so you can hunt them later.

I honestly why people seem too eager to shut down map conversation, you either know shit or you don't, so exposing your theories about maps is as good as ScumReads™

 

[CzarTim]

VOTE: Extremely Attractive Bear Who Likes To Eat Fairies
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I think people who are going after people because they talked about the map are suspicious, personally. Normally, speculation about stuff like this is fine, at least in the other games I've played, but now apparently it's taboo to some people here. Disclaimer being I have not read either AC or DR, so I don't know if this is just a repeat of what happened there.

Literally what I did as scum in DR was try to control the information on the map mechanic so town would go down the wrong path.

Either you know for a fact how the map works or you are wasting everyone's time while trying to look like you're contributing.

 

[Ty4on]

This is a fair point. Scrafty, you said you agreed on my positions earlier, so what are your thoughts on Gryvan? Am I still trustworthy in your eyes or has my exchange with Gryvan or maybe Ouro changed your thoughts?

You? I dunno.
gryvan? He just looks like an overeager townie. I think a lynch of him is a mistake.

 

[CzarTim]

Yeah I don't see scum in gry. Meanwhile we haven't gotten anything of value from nin or salva.

 

[Ty4on]

Literally what I did as scum in DR was try to control the information on the map mechanic so town would go down the wrong path.

Either you know for a fact how the map works or you are wasting everyone's time while trying to look like you're contributing.

You did it by shutting down discussion on D2.

fight club is boring

the thing about fight club i'm guessing they dont allow weapons because that would be unfair.

some people love weapons. pirates. americans. ninjas. none of them would be allowed in fight club

so we shouldn't talk about fight club

Translators note: Fight club means map discussion.

 

[CzarTim]

Actually nin being so unhelpful I doubt I vote there either.

 

[CzarTim]

You did it by shutting down discussion on D2.

Translators note: Fight club means map discussion.

That's true actually. I was thinking about day three.

Going to reread with that in mind.

 

[CzarTim]

You did it by shutting down discussion on D2.

Translators note: Fight club means map discussion.

Though to be fair, I was also desperately trying to get copped so I could use my override lol

 

[ScraftyDevil]

This is a fair point. Scrafty, you said you agreed on my positions earlier, so what are your thoughts on Gryvan? Am I still trustworthy in your eyes or has my exchange with Gryvan or maybe Ouro changed your thoughts?

I believe he's someone to keep an eye on, but like I mentioned earlier his actions between yesterday and now have changed my opinion of him from "bad customer" to "shifty but mislead." He's still worth keeping an eye on and I wouldn't object to seeing him go today, but my suspicions lie mostly on nin right now.

I'm still feeling fine about you overall. Ouro presented an interesting alternative scenario but it doesn't seem like the truth to me.

 

[CzarTim]

unvote

 

[CzarTim]

Good at mafia 🙏🙏🙏