It's neither. There are no third-parties to leak anything. You can probably count the number of western third-parties with SDKs on one hand. This will be the king of Nintendo boxes. That's why nothing has leaked yet. They could pull a Saturn if they wanted to and nobody would see it coming. If they cared about third-party support, they'd at least lift the NDA preventing third-parties from talking about what games they're making for it to to show that it won't be a Nintendo box. They aren't, so we know exactly what it is.
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NX will launch in March 2017 globally, won't be at E3 (focusing on Zelda instead)
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It's neither. There are no third-parties to leak anything. You can probably count the number of western third-parties with SDKs on one hand. This will be the king of Nintendo boxes. That's why nothing has leaked yet. They could pull a Saturn if they wanted to and nobody would see it coming. If they cared about third-party support, they'd at least lift the NDA preventing third-parties from talking about what games they're making for it to to show that it won't be a Nintendo box. They aren't, so we know exactly what it is.
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To be blunt, that's the strongest argument for them to go third party. They have a lot of "lapsed fans" who've moved onto other platforms and are unlikely to buy a Nintendo console for the few franchises they still kinda want to play. But they'd buy Smash on PS4 or X1 or PC that they're already committed to for sure.
I don't think Nintendo has totally lost a big chunk of the market interested in their games. They've just lost a big chunk of market that's simply not willing to buy a console just for those games. They see it as not worth the money/space when they mainly want to play CoD, Madden, Fifa, GTA etc., but would like a change of pace Nintendo game here or there if it didn't require buying a separate piece of hardware.
Moot for now since Nintendo is committed to putting out NX hardware. But I don't buy the arguments that Nintendo would go the way of Sega if they eventually had to go third party. Sega's biggest problems were 1) screwing fans with the 32x, Sega CD and Saturn; 2) many of their games were arcade-ish games that just didn't remain popular. People moved on to longer, narrative driven games, online gaming etc. over shorter games where the replay value is going for high scores, faster times etc.
ROUGE_BLOCK
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Why do they do this? It's the biggest trade show in the industry and they are not bothering to show the only thing everyone will care about. Instead lets focus on one franchise instead of the future of their dedicated hardware
blastprocessor
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Wait what!? Does that mean PS4K is launching mid-year because l thought AMD hinted something launcing then???
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Doesn't mean anything for PS Neo or Xbox 1.5.
The Nintendo and Sony/MS fanbases are pretty distinct at this point outside of the hardcore who buy everything.
Mexican... I understood that reference.
Pokemaniac
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Not really. It's pretty clear that the intention was to release it in 2016. Clearly, something went wrong.
ElectricBlanketFire
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They want to focus on the immersion of Zelda and whatever else the PR department came up with.
mckmas8808
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And they have less marketshare in the console space ever since then.
Vanillalite
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Everything you say is spot on. Right now I see Nintendo's true value in diversifying the other 3 plattforms games-wise. Now that iterative consoles become a thing there's even less room for a Nintendo console, because people like me -PS4, PC, WiiU owner- will hit their financial limits and eventually continue with supporting one or two plattforms at best. I don't regret buying a WiiU, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to buy the next Nintendo console without setting up some severe obligations.
LegendofLex
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They were already losing market share the two previous years (2011 and 2012), both years when they did do stage presentations.
So we should expect Polaris on ARM?
Looking at the view counts of the Directs on YouTube & Twitch as well as the news articles that come up alongside the Directs, they aren't the problem.
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Yeah, this iterative console business makes me less inclined to keep owning all 3. I'd kind of rather just buy into one and buy each update, or go PC, than have all and play games at reduced settings for long periods since I can't justify upgrading multiple consoles every 2-3 years.
I really long for when cloud/streaming gaming is a thing and we just need any hardware with the app and a good internet connection (and unlimited data) to play every game at top settings since the processing is done cloud side.
God Dayumm
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Nintendo could have had a nice lead this holiday. Now the other console upgrades will take a huge chunk of its cake, if not all
You also have to think about the console upgrades taking a chunk of their own install base. Especially if certain games will look much different for the upgraded consoles or certain games will be exclusive to the upgraded ones because the Devs "don't want to compromise the quality of the game and release it on lesser consoles." It could backfire for Sony and to a lesser extent Microsoft.
Yeah, I would prefer that too, but this will take another 15 years at least because of the lag issue. The best solution for me would be everyone going 3rd party. No more exclusive BS.
You choose one machine and you can play every game on said machine:
Nintendo can go for casuals by releasing a cheap machine or handheld.
Sony can go for mid-tier or upper-tier, MS can do the same or focus on PC and game development and PC will still be the enthusiast market. The way it is now is shitty for consumers. Oh, here's a iphone comparisson that actually works: do we need several phones to cover our mobile communication needs? Do we watch one movie on device A and another one on device B? I simply don't want to spend money on redundant potatoe hardware anymore just to access exclusive content.
I will sound like a bad person now, but I really hope that NX fails big time, so that Nintendo is forced to leave their stupid stubborn path. When they are really fighting for survival they're more likely inclined to try out some of the obvious strategies for increasing marketshare - for example releasing some titles on PC, just to test the waters.
Not 6 months i hope. If we don't hear about an announcement show by August, set for September, then money goes down that this thing won't be releasing until Holiday 2017, but there's still a strong chance that Nintendo goes it alone later this summer with a big blowout.
With the return of the World Championships and the recent trend of Nintendo taking more advantage of 80's/90's nostalgia, I would not be shocked to see Space World come back.
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Not necessarily. If it's like WWHD and TPHD, the gamepad screen stuff will just be map and inventory, which can just be put in menus on NX if it doesn't have a controller with a screen.
"Stalling the NX to 2017 and skipping E3 is the smartest thing Nintendo has done in years"
http://www.gamesradar.com/stalling-...he-smartest-thing-nintendo-has-done-in-years/
Interesting article, I agree with the fact that Nintendo should take its time with NX and do it right. Despite the fact that we really want to know what this machine is. I just hop we we'll get some news before a full reveal later this year.
http://www.gamesradar.com/stalling-...he-smartest-thing-nintendo-has-done-in-years/
Interesting article, I agree with the fact that Nintendo should take its time with NX and do it right. Despite the fact that we really want to know what this machine is. I just hop we we'll get some news before a full reveal later this year.
Seldomly Jambon
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This is goodwill squanderingly stupid. I want to hope for the best for them as a three horse race is far better for the industry... But my God I'm uncautiously nopetimistic about this stacatto of clusterfucks.
I'm sure there's reasons, but this is about the most flaccid I've been for Nintendo as a reliable gaming gaming brand. Especially considering their now standard model for late stage console support being so incredibly lacklustre after the Wii and Wii U. I've no faith left to give them sadly.
In sincerity though, I hope they manage to pull off a miracle with the NX and turn around this utterly dubious perception of highly questionable decisions they seem so intent on creating around themselves...
I'm sure there's reasons, but this is about the most flaccid I've been for Nintendo as a reliable gaming gaming brand. Especially considering their now standard model for late stage console support being so incredibly lacklustre after the Wii and Wii U. I've no faith left to give them sadly.
In sincerity though, I hope they manage to pull off a miracle with the NX and turn around this utterly dubious perception of highly questionable decisions they seem so intent on creating around themselves...
NX in 2017 is a bit of a bummer but it doesn't bother me much since I have a huge backlog... Commercially it seems risky with the Wii U and 3DS being pretty weak in 2016 though.
What bums me is the death of E3 hype. I was really looking forward to seeing NX and, mainly, announcements and footage of launch games. I hope their NX event isn't too far into the year.
What bums me is the death of E3 hype. I was really looking forward to seeing NX and, mainly, announcements and footage of launch games. I hope their NX event isn't too far into the year.
A lot of folks here are so doom and gloom.
It doesn't matter when NX comes out. What matters is if it's a good console or not. Sure, I would love to see it at E3, but if it isn't ready, it isn't ready. They can take their sweet time with that, and I'm sure there will be other great announcements and games we can gnaw our teeth on. Hell, I have like 20 games in my backlog, 5 of them are on the Wii U. The longer the NX/Zelda comes out, the better.
Plus, I'm sure most of us are adults. Time moves so damn fast, March will be here before we know it.
Now, with Zelda being the only game on the show floor? I don't really care, because I'm not going to be there. I'm not going to play it. I'm only going to read hands-on impressions and watch videos form the journalists that are going to be there. How many games Nintendo has at their booth is a non-issue for me.
I dunno, I'm only excited to see what comes up next.
It doesn't matter when NX comes out. What matters is if it's a good console or not. Sure, I would love to see it at E3, but if it isn't ready, it isn't ready. They can take their sweet time with that, and I'm sure there will be other great announcements and games we can gnaw our teeth on. Hell, I have like 20 games in my backlog, 5 of them are on the Wii U. The longer the NX/Zelda comes out, the better.
Plus, I'm sure most of us are adults. Time moves so damn fast, March will be here before we know it.
Now, with Zelda being the only game on the show floor? I don't really care, because I'm not going to be there. I'm not going to play it. I'm only going to read hands-on impressions and watch videos form the journalists that are going to be there. How many games Nintendo has at their booth is a non-issue for me.
I dunno, I'm only excited to see what comes up next.
brandonh83
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It's getting around to being like 10 months away, lol. It's nothing. I think most of the negativity is coming from the fact that people expected it to be out in November and there be a clusterfuck battle with the Neo and Xbox Two.
perfectchaos007
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Unfortunately these delays could still be a result of the transition from Iwata to Kimishima. I think it's safe to say the relatively unexpected passing of Iwata set their timetable on everything back 6 months or so.
I know before this announcment many people were saying E3 2016 was going to be Nintendo's most important E3 in the company's history. Well, I think now E3 2017 will be their most important E3 as NX should be in its launch window during that time.
I know before this announcment many people were saying E3 2016 was going to be Nintendo's most important E3 in the company's history. Well, I think now E3 2017 will be their most important E3 as NX should be in its launch window during that time.
I thought most of the negativity is the fact it's missing e3 and the reveal isn't happening until god knows when
Not being at E3 seems to be a really poor decision. Basically throwing out a huge PR opportunity for seemingly nothing. I would think that to have a worldwide release in March 2017, everything should be pretty much finalized by June. At least enough to have a concrete showing.
mckmas8808
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BOOM!!!!
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For me its just worrying that they're going to botch the reveal, launch and marketing again. I don't really care when it comes out personally. I have plenty to play, and Nintendo is my third platform behind Sony and MS, and I probably won't buy an NX early on after the Wii U experience anyway.
It's just that missing the E3 before launch, and launching after the holidays, are two pretty decent missteps when they really need to nail everything for the NX to be a success given how much market they've lost in general, and how bad the Wii U failed and left even a lot of their fans skeptical of them going forward.
You could just set everything back 2 months and have "Spaceworld 2016" (purely hypothetical) be the most important event in company history.
Nintendo's going to be right where they too often are for E3 this year, though, mostly ignored and savaged by the few who do bother to pay attention.
mckmas8808
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He's been anti-E3 for years now. No surprise Gerstmann said this.
SmackAttack
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I think it's a combination. Skipping E3 is a big one but there's plenty of people who believe they must launch a new system this holiday alongside two revisions of current consoles for it to be any kind of successful.
The reveal is likely to happen in November when Nintendo does a Space World event or whatever they'll call it.
perfectchaos007
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We seem to hear about the return of Spaceworld every year, and it never happens. I'm not holding my breath for that.
brandonh83
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I'm as disappointed as the next guy that I won't see it at E3. Disappointed, but not really upset. I mean, they announced the release month and it isn't that far away, so I suspect that it'll be revealed pretty soon.
mckmas8808
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So what's wrong with being at E3 and having a Nintendo direct?
family_guy
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From a profit perspective it does. Nintendo's is going to have a tough year.
They floated on amiibos and mobile alone this quarter financial. I think they'll be fine in waiting and the alarmists are just ringing their bell to the usual tone of Nintendo doom.
OrbitalBeard
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A month ago, we thought E3 was gong to be all about Nintendo's new hardware. Now, it seems E3 will be about new hardware from MS and Sony.
I still can't believe this is real lol
I still can't believe this is real lol
mckmas8808
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*Raises Hand*
If Nintendo is as worried about their profits and finances as everyone on the internet is, wouldn't they sort of have to force themselves to get the NX out on shelves ASAP though to make up for not releasing anything else for the Wii U or 3DS?
Sure they might be releasing it a few months after the holiday stretch where everyone wants to get their products out on the market but is a few months really that big of a deal if by just waiting a few months, they could possibly have a much better launch with more games without any of the competition taking the spotlight?
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