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Large Youtubers Hide Ownership of CSGO Lottery Site
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Rot in jail douche bag! No amount positivity is going through this
breadtruck
Member
Wow, some shady shit going on there. Very interesting videos.
- December 2015: Together with Josh Beaver (JoshOG) and some other guy, Trevor Martin (TmarTn) & Thomas Cassell (ProSyndicate) found CSGO Lotto
- Commence the videos
- June 19th: The initial kickoff: CSGO News accuses some other players (Faze) of broadcasting faked wins in skin gambles (CSGOwild)
- June 27th: HonorTheCall outs the CSGOLotto owners.
- June 27th: TmarTn2 uploads his panic rant (mirror)
- June 30th: HonorTheCall refutes his BS
- July 3rd: h3h3 cover it
- July 4th: Tmartn does have a lawyer after all, deletes his videos
- July 4th: Steam browser puts a disclaimer up on the lottery site (but not for long).
- July 4th: Reported to the Federal Trade Commission.
- July 4th: Martin disables comments on his videos.
- July 4th: Steam removes the disclaimer from the site, because it is not malicious per se.
- July 5th: JoshOG deletes a stream record of him talking about his "sponsorship".
- July 5th: Steam-community discussions regarding the lottery site have been deleted.
- July 6th: Martin is sorry (mirror)
- July 6th: Martin hides dislikes, not sorry
- July 6th: Martin's lawyer is sorry
- July 6th: Video Game Attorney speaks his mind how messed up this whole thing is
- July 6th: Dislikes are back, sorry
- July 6th: JoshOG is sorry, tells his story though
- July 6th: Martin isn't sorry anymore, removes video
- July 7th: Martin and Cassell get sued within that gambling lawsuit against Valve.
- July 10th: Cassell picks up his business as usual.
- July 10th: Martin picks up his business as usual.
- July 12th: JoshOG can't decide if his CSGOLOTTO games were rigged or not.
- July 13th: Valve going against gambling sites (receipts)
- July 16th: in other news, looks like phantoml0rd owns CSGOshuffle and exploited the shit out of it (plus more indications against Faze/CSGOwild)
- July 18th: phantoml0rd gets banned from twitch, likely for having used subscribe bots
- up to July 23rd: HonorTheCall with incriminating stuff on Faze
- July 27th: HonorTheCall on his private conversations with Tmartn (including a seemingly faked threat sent via emkei.cz) and how he made the Valve-lawsuit guys aware of CSGOLotto
- July 31st: meanwhile down under, a senator wants to kill off loot-box monetisation
- July 31st: more private conversations between HTC and Tmartn, citing "sweepstakes" (no consideration/entry fee) and "virtual items" (no prize) as legal defenses, plus the email header of the emkei sent threat
All he needs to do (and will do) is release a video on his channel titled "I'm sorry", it will get millions of views and all will be forgotten.....
Anyway he's not sorry for what he's done, just sorry he's been caught.
lol
When you're betting against yourself, and then accidentally show that you're logged in under a bot account.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
Guys, I learned from my mistakes. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes, all should be forgiven.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
I'm partially surprised and partially not surprised. I've seen one or two of tmartn's videos before, I think it was a GTAV Online video like one or two years ago -- mainly when I just searching around for GTAV Online stuff. And I just clicked on it and in the video he just seemed like one of those YouTubers that would get popular just off of how loud and obnoxious he was. I think at that time he was already popular or something but nearly as much as he's gotten now, I guess. Anyway, from those videos it seemed to me like he might be the type to clickbait and what not so this development doesn't surprise me but it surprises me it goes this far.
Regardless, this is quite the controversy and I can't imagine they'll be getting off of this scott free. The more people that report on it or do videos on it, the less likely it will be for it to be forgotten and something will definitely happen to these two. And I hope something does because this is all kinds of wrong and illegal. Exploiting young people like this is unreal.
Regardless, this is quite the controversy and I can't imagine they'll be getting off of this scott free. The more people that report on it or do videos on it, the less likely it will be for it to be forgotten and something will definitely happen to these two. And I hope something does because this is all kinds of wrong and illegal. Exploiting young people like this is unreal.
YianGaruga
Banned
I love how he goes silent and then sort of pretends it's like a loading screen, and then instantly switches on a completely fake distracting charm and excitement when his offer loads up.
I feel bad for piling on him, but dude is a straight up sociopath. It's a bit scary really.
TatteredHat
Member
Don't take it too personal, but that's very naive. Just because someone's outward appearance seems nice doesn't mean the person behind the mask actually is a nice person.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm no lawyer but that tweet seems like a bad idea if he has any intention to fight this in a future court case.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
Boy did Jim Sterling miss a gigantic story this week. I hope he still does a Jimquistion when its all said and done this week.
Translation:
"Shit, I got found out. Oh well, I'm a better person for it now. #jailtime'
Lanrutcon
Member
What are the odds that Jim doesn't do a piece on this?
Which skins would you bet on it?
Sleight of Jam
Banned
Was thinking about this. But he has done more than one in a week on occasion.
I bet there's a 4% chance he don't make a video about this.
But there's also a 68% chance hes already making a video about it as we speak.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
His face said it all.
As a new parent and long time gamer I find this appalling. I'm also very concerned with the trend of gambling for cosmetic items in games, whether is be CSGO, Overwatch, or whatever.
Gambling is a serious issue, and not having any age restrictions for these virtual slot machines is insane.
Gambling is a serious issue, and not having any age restrictions for these virtual slot machines is insane.
Thanks for admitting your wrongs mate makes the prosecutors jobs even easier.
SpinkyMinky
Member
Woo! Jail time lol. Stay in school kids! *dontdropthesoap*
ScaryShark
Banned
I wasn't buying this and then he ended with that hashtag and I completely did a 180. I don't need any other evidence. Case closed.
Felix Lighter
Member
I hope this case brings to light and actually spark regulations for these types of sites and other digital good gambling, all the way down to games that include random crates for purchase. It's important that these types of games of chance are not rigged and the odds are completely transparent. It's bad enough to exploit the weakness many have with gambling, but if it's going to exist, it needs to be 100% fair with strong repercussions for any rigging.
Its true. I don't mind purchase of cosmetics, as long as you pay for THAT item and not a chance of X items in a roll.
However, the way some games does the gambling is better than others.
Soap jokes still not funny.
This dude is definitely a grade-a idiot lmao.
I'm sure the TheLegendOfMart being called as a character witness will even things out
Yep, if this gains traction in the media, I think it opens a can of worms, but it's a can of worms that needs to be opened (with the worms taken out and buried in the garden or something).
Remember when buying horse armor was unseemly? Oh the times they are a changin'.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Not an idiot, just a sociopath
Agreed
We already know that the software and gaming industry are the lawless wild west, but exposing children to gambling compulsion loops is way over the line.
Imagine if someone opened a gambling parlor in your neighbourhood, decorated the shop and marketed it all specifically to target children and teenagers and lured them in to turn them into little compulsive gamblers.
There would be blood.
But if it happens online noone fucking does anything.
I'd imagine that if the FTC gets involved, and at this point I can't imagine that they don't eventually step in, he's going to get put to trial at the very least. Jail will depend on the results, he may just end up being fined into oblivion.
I mean with him going back and deleting comments, retroactively putting the CSGO lotto disclaimer in his bio. I assumed he would have talked to a lawyer.
But he just keeps talking. Any lawyer would advise him to shut the hell up.
Darryl M R
Member
He either has a terrible lawyer or a competent lawyer that is losing his shit right now.
Any competent lawyer will tell his client to go on a complete media blackout and just get offline for a while.
I am as well. Been keeping a great distance to these kinds of crap. I will never understand why people waste money on virtual items. The practice needs to die.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Youtube was a mistake...
easy to say once you are verified and make big ass bucks off of exploiting people
Uses whatever a GOP politician does, perhaps the sheer blindness to the pain they bring
Hidden One
Member
Like someone said, Youtube should unpartner these asshats and twitch shouldn't let him get any revenue from streaming.
edit: Oh and jail time.
edit: Oh and jail time.
Wow, that's... Really, really naive.
Dont know any of these folks, since I dont care about youtube culture, but one of em like just posted within the last day or two a video of him walking around his house and talking into the camera.
How is that not flashing when in the background it's all "LOOK HOW BIG MY HOUSE IS". lol
Assuming he has lawyers that really would be the first advice they'd give him even though it isn't a case yet.
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