LookAtMeGo
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Her feet were not quite in the car yet. But I guess they are so fragile that they cant risk a kick landing on one of them to get her feet in so they resort of blinding and suffocating her instead.
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Officers pepper-spraying 15-year-old girl following bicycle accident with vehicle
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It really shouldn't be that large of a hassle.
If the person reacts like the girl did in the video it obviously becomes a bigger hassle.
15 is an age where you need to start being held responsible for minor shit. Children can't be coddled forever, and 15 is old enough to start understanding the consequences of your action or inattention.
Especially so in a situation like this with nobody seriously hurt. Kids need to understand that shit can get a lot worse, and learn from the small mistakes before they start making big ones.
Would I make the parents pay for it? I dunno, I would probably talk it through with them. If they were that much poorer than me, I would probably give them a pass. If not, I would see if they would pay for it, or if they would make the kid pay for it.
yea man, I don't think so. my wife was rear ended by a 16 year old girl about 2 years ago and her car was fucked, easily a couple thousand dollars.
sure, my wife's case wasn't a scratch or fender bender, but the person at fault is paying for it. you can live in your utopia, but if you hit my car, you are paying for it, I don't care if you are going to the hospital or not.
SyenceLabb
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Can't give her a pass on this one. She was completely ridiculous.
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Actually, you don't make the rules or draw that line. It's already been written by someone else and 15 aint it.
David Ricardo
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So doing as told and not fighting the police isn't good advice. Then, according to you, what would good advice be? Fighting the police? Doing something different to what they tell you?
Ok, let's suppose that policemen are racist animals. Your best chance of surviving is doing exactly as told and not give them any excuse to shoot you. It's both your best chance of surviving and, if they do indeed shoot you even when you are clearly not a threat, general population is going to see how wrong that officer was.
I just don't see how disobeying direct orders from a police officer helps you in any way.
And I am not blaming the victims. Shooting at an unarmed person is obviously horribly wrong. But if the victim isn't doing as told, you are giving fuel to those who want to side with the cops. "Well, they shot him. It was wrong, but the victim wasn't doing as told so the officer felt threatened and blablablah..."
When the cop aimed the pepperspray can at her, she put her feet in. You can hear the other cop say "there you go". The door is about to close, but if you look closely, at 8:21, she quickly moves her legs around and blocks the door again, then the cops sprays her.
Wow, whatever dude. I'm throwing shit against the wall?
I was responded to your response to SecretDan. Where you are now contradicting yourself. Jesus Christ, man.
I was responded to your response to SecretDan. Where you are now contradicting yourself. Jesus Christ, man.
This is stupid and completely unrelated. He didn't pay a couple hundred bucks for her to not get hurt. She hit the car, and wasn't hurt. That doesn't mean she doesn't have to pay for the damages. If I'm in a motorcycle and I hit a car but nobody is hurt, do I just get to leave? How about if I'm in a car?
"Sorry I hit your car sir, but at least I'm ok! Have a great day!"
The girl was lucky, not the car. Your mind is way too focused on seeing the girl as a victim. You definitely have an interesting perspective on stuff, but I just can't understand a 15 year old (again, this isn't a little kid whose negligence can be forgiven) running into my car and damaging it and just letting her go on her merry way. "Don't worry about the couple hundred dollars I now owe! Thank you for not doing something even more stupid!" And maybe it's more that a couple hundred bucks is just not a big deal to you, but it is to a lot of people who live paycheck to paycheck.
Yeah, which is why she wasn't allowed to leave.
I see life in a more positive way, life sucks at 15 I know it was for me. I want to show that kid that sometimes good shit happens and people do you a favor. I try and teach her to spread it around a little. Everyone learns that paying the bills sucks, life can be a fucking drag, no one needs any help learning that. Look what happened to this poor girl, fuck that a little kindess goes way further and I'm lucky enough to be in a spot I can give her a pass.
Even when I was dirt poor living pay cheque to pay cheque, my car has a dent I could care less so long as it gets me where I need to go.
stop throwing shit out of context to argue your point.
If she needed to be restrained, you cuff her feet. She was already in the car, which is my central point on the topic.
just stop.
Zen_Arcade
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There is no good advice in this situation. It's a catch-22 in this country.
I agree that what you're saying is the most logical course of action, but you're attempting to apply it to an illogical situation.
I'm just saying that your advice wouldn't necessarily result in the best outcome.
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Which doesn't require pepper spray.
I don't know, i'm not a cop, but they did ask her many, many times, before pepperspraying her. It's not like they peppersprayed her rightaway. I guess they use force/pepperspray when they repeatedly refuses to comply? I have to say the cops in the video are quite patient.
Complistic
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Their options were
A) Slam her leg in the door. Which everyone would have loved.
B) Hog tie her. I'm not sure this is something they would even do. Also risks further injury.
C) Pepper spray
He was arguing that the girl is old enough to understand her mistakes and pay for the damage.
Oh yeah you're right. She still holding the door.
Well she did nearly kick the crap out of two grown men. She had them shook. Ha ha.
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well I still wish the pepper spray wasn't used but yeah she was being really uncooperative
*shrug*
I guess I'm just a grouchy old guy. Who isn't stupid at 15? But I think that having people face responsibilities of the actions helps them grow up and deal with the "life can be a fucking drag" part of life.
But (note comment below), I guess at this point we're just talking about parenting philosophies and such, not really the topic at hand anymore.
I'm not talking about from a legal perspective. I'm talking about a parenting perspective. Which, per comment above, is only tangentially relevant to the topic at hand, as the cops are not her parents.
(And no, I don't think the pepper spraying was a good idea. Everything up until that point was understandable)
Complistic
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They told her at least half a dozen times. They even held it in front of her face and told her and she didn't care.
OrangeGrayBlue
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This is weird to have one of these stories go national so close to where I grew up. I lived about 20 minutes from Hagerstown as a kid.
Anyway, I can't shake the feeling that for all her posturing, she is mostly just very scared.
Anyway, I can't shake the feeling that for all her posturing, she is mostly just very scared.
The entire thing was hard to watch and it makes me angry. Angry for how the cops dealt with her, angry that she didn't listen to them in the first place, and angry that she lives in a world where she probably has no reason to trust the cops in the first place. Thankfully she will live to see another day.
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This.
This isn't the right thing for anyone. It lacks balance, empathy and compassion. I expect a 15 year old to have a harder time with these things, but not our trained adults.
LookAtMeGo
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Sounds like a multiple choice question on the cop exam.
quickwhips
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She didn't get pepper spray for hitting a car. She got pepper spray for resisting the officers commands when she was detained.
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LookAtMeGo
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And
E) all of the above
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E) Give her more time to calm down
F) Have one of the other full grown adults go to the other side of the car and force her to sit upright.
Come on everyone knows when in doubt go with C, C has to be shoot and sprinkle the crack.
Jesus she was really pushing her luck there. Disrespecting the cops, kicking, etc.
Spraying her in the car is just stupid though, I mean isn't it potentially dangerous to use in a closed area (even if the window's were slightly open)? Besides you're gonna have to drive the fucking car soon.
Spraying her in the car is just stupid though, I mean isn't it potentially dangerous to use in a closed area (even if the window's were slightly open)? Besides you're gonna have to drive the fucking car soon.
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I don't know if it's different now, but a decade ago I was in a large room and someone got pepper sprayed and it fucked with everyone else in the room. I don't even know how they were able to drive the car after that, hopefully it was the same officer so he had to deal with that shit.\
It might be more directional now, and expand less in the air?
LookAtMeGo
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I would have to see the rest of the video but I assume that they all just stood around the car while she was gagging and gasping for air until it eventually cleared up before getting in the car. Plus that glass seperating the back and front seats was probably closed and it didnt fill up the front of the car much.
Coffee Dog
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Jesus christ what the fuck? How are people like "lol she was being rude talk shit get hit" when the situation was already resolved?
What did firing the pepper spray accomplish?
What did firing the pepper spray accomplish?
When will people understand that committing a crime still means that you are a motherfucking human being?
This justification doesn't actually justify what you think it does, it only exposes the mental gymnastics you are willing to go through to excuse abuse against another person.
This justification doesn't actually justify what you think it does, it only exposes the mental gymnastics you are willing to go through to excuse abuse against another person.
D) act like human beings and talk her around. Where do they have to be that they need her to get in the car so badly as to pepper spray her? I love that most Americans think that cops communicating with criminals is some magical fantasy concept.
To those uppity negroes to know their place?
I mean, how many times you have read in this very fucking "progressive" forum excuses for once a police kills someone. This is not surprising at all.
G-Bus
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Pepper spray is insanely excessive, especially if she was detained and put in a vehicle. If you can't handle a 100 lbs girl maybe you shouldn't be a cop or get some better training.
On the flip side if she just fucking sat still and didn't cause a problem non of that would have happened. Seriously.
I ran into cops quite a bit growing up and guess what. I'd fucking listen and be quiet until I could go or until they called my parents to come get me. Regardless if I thought it was for a minor thing or not. Don't fuck with cops.
What's so hard to understand here? Some of you have zero experience with this shit. Some posts in here are beyond stupid.
On the flip side if she just fucking sat still and didn't cause a problem non of that would have happened. Seriously.
I ran into cops quite a bit growing up and guess what. I'd fucking listen and be quiet until I could go or until they called my parents to come get me. Regardless if I thought it was for a minor thing or not. Don't fuck with cops.
What's so hard to understand here? Some of you have zero experience with this shit. Some posts in here are beyond stupid.
shadow2810
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The spray made her put her feet in the car instead of blocking the door.
Was that the only way? Probably not.
Henry Jones Jr
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I actually feel like hey handeled it pretty ok until the pepper spray. That seemed a little weird. They were 99% to where they wanted her, I feel like they could have tried some other things. Also I feel that they should have moved her to the back of their car right after cuffing her and let her sit in there alone a cool down for a bit rather than arguing with here for minutes out in the open. I feel that might have worked better but who knows.
Jesus, the way they yelled at the guy who came up trying to help, like he was a fucking animal. The moment some cops run into an obstacle they resort to this kind of thing. He literally just got impatient and said "I'll just spray her" to get it over with. I know the girl was resisting and generally not respecting them, but she's still a kid, and with the way they behave why should she.
Maddox really summed it up well 5 years ago, before this kind of thing even escalated:
"A taser isn't a remote-control for people... Being a cop has certain risks associated with it. If you aren't comfortable with those risks, don't take the job. Always trying to minimize your risk of injury at the expense of others by being a tase-happy dipshit makes you look like lazy pussies."
Yep. Exact same assumption every time these threads come up, exact same outcome.
Maddox really summed it up well 5 years ago, before this kind of thing even escalated:
"A taser isn't a remote-control for people... Being a cop has certain risks associated with it. If you aren't comfortable with those risks, don't take the job. Always trying to minimize your risk of injury at the expense of others by being a tase-happy dipshit makes you look like lazy pussies."
Yep. Exact same assumption every time these threads come up, exact same outcome.
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