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Officers pepper-spraying 15-year-old girl following bicycle accident with vehicle
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Dude Abides
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They're liabe for damages. That doesn't make either hitting the the car or leaving a crime.
Oh noes, this 15 year old kid is in the back seat of our cruiser, better spray her so she knows not to fuck with the man again. Police should not act under the precondition of someone being a brat, that's ridiculous and pointless violence.
She was in the car and then sprayed, it had nothing to do with compliance but dominance.
Wrong.
BTW, did you ever figure out why this also applies to bikes???
Dude Abides
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Bikes are vehicles for purposes of title 21 of the Transportation Article - "this title" - in Transportation Article s. 21-102, not title 20.
I bolded the parts you need to pay attention to.
But the law you claim she violated is in title 20, namely 20-104. You can tell because it says 20-104 in the heading rather than 21-104.
Probably why she wasn't charged with violating the law you claim she violated.
What does this mean?
Dude Abides
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It means she didn't commit a crime by (attempting) to leave the scene of the "accident" without giving the police all her information (if they in fact did not have all her information when she left) and thus was not committing the crime that Krejlooc and friends claim justified her arrest (they claim this even though the arresting officer did not assert that was the reason for the arrest nor was she charged with it).
Familienoberhauptvogel
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lift her leg?
loaf of bread
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Uhhh no. She isn't about to get paid off of getting pepper sprayed after 10 minutes of resisting arrest.
She's 15, Stop that.
You mean reacting like a terrified kid that's being tossed around by strangers with weapons?
Excuse my ignorance, I think I'm coming into a discussion way late, but how is damaging someone's property not a crime? Say she hit his car with a hammer, wouldn't that be vandalism?
triplestation
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that made my blood boil
i only wish for the worst things to happen to those cops
i only wish for the worst things to happen to those cops
Chie Satonaka
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Excuse me.
That's not a child. That's a woman. A grown ass woman who should understand her actions and know better. How dare she resist arrest. Nothing but a lawless criminal who got what she deserved.
Now, the people who find themselves unemployed for being racists on social media or Ryan Lochte, those are just kids who made mistakes and should be treated with the smallest of kid gloves.
Motherfuckers going out of their way to question existence itself before before they can even acknowledge racism.
triplestation
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a 15 year old girl is NOT a woman
they shouldnt have gone that hard on her, she is a baby
they shouldnt have gone that hard on her, she is a baby
It's obvious that police are racist on the whole (the entire system is) but I don't think this was racism.
I've seen a coworker of mine refuse to answer a police officer's single question (he didn't think he should because he hadn't done anything, just in the wrong place at the wrong time) and be thrown to the ground shattering his wrist in multiple places and then his broken wrist was handcuffed and he was taken to jail without receiving any medical attention and charged with being drunk and disorderly. This was years ago and a bone in his thumb never healed so there are many day to day activities that he can no longer do easily. He tried to sue but never got any traction even though everyone said he did nothing wrong. He was a middle aged, clean cut, white guy. The fact is police are just power tripping assholes and this is why whenever I come across them I go out of my way to be as compliant as possible.
hydragonwarrior
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Aggressive sitting.
Vincent Grayson
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This is like, 30 minutes down the road from me. I am in no way surprised to see it happening there.
Coriolanus
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Intent matters.
It is a crime if you want to damage it. It isn't if it happened by accident. If it's an accident, you can only pursue the matter in a civil court, since the State (ideally) has better things to do than throw people in jail due to debt.
doesnt apply for all crimes.
She was warned like 3-4 times that she'll be sprayed if she didn't put her feet in the car.
That little girl was a total brat. The police handled the situation pretty good in my opinion.
Chie Satonaka
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I wonder what the crossover is between people who feel like officers handled this appropriately and who also thought officers acted appropriately when dealing with the girl at the pool party or the girl at school with the desk?
(D) open the door on the other side and secure the individual.
ur cheating
Wuthering_Heights
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Agreed.
There's really no right way for the police to handle situations these days. They are condemned if they have to use lethal force, and condemned if they use non-lethal force.
One thing they might try is to use appropriate force and see how it goes.
So man handle her from the other side and drag her in, got it. She never complied, was warned multiple times as well that she would get pepper sprayed and still didn't follow orders. Maybe they should've warned her 10 more times nicely? All of this could've been avoided and people need to acknowledge that and stop beating around the bush. Did the weed that she had on she make her act like that? Who knows and at 15? Y'all are treating her like she's some sort of 5 year old who doesn't know what they're doing. Even at that age I knew to follow orders.
Heaven Shard
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Yes. Physically force handcuffs and/or physically force entry to the back seat of the car.
But what you do NOT do when dealing with a minor is striking them, use pepper spray or taser them. If a grown ass man can't subdue a minor physically then they shouldn't be a cop.
And you don't fucking bully or take revenge ANY suspect, for example by tasering them or pepper spraying them AFTER they are handcuffed- let alone shoot them afterwards. That's cold blooded murder and who does that should be trialed as such.
And it is said the cop in this case pepper sprayed her from the window after she was secured in the back seat. WTF?!
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7 minutes of an 8 minute video they manhandled her. They literally carried her down the street, dude. Yes, there was absolutely other ways to get her into car without blasting her with pepper spray. Did we just start putting people in the back of cars? Is the some new fucking thing that we're still learning how to do without injuring someone, let alone a 15 year old girl? They know how to do this shit without pepper spray.
Subpar Scrub
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A 15 year old is not a baby either smh
They did, it wasn't working.
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The girl's attorney, Robin Ficker:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-black-girl-after-she-falls-off-her-bike.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-black-girl-after-she-falls-off-her-bike.html
The girl is already in the vehicle, she's cuffed, her feet are facing the other way and she's 15 years old. She doesn't pose any danger to the police. Spraying someone in the face with a dangerous chemical is not a reasonable use of force in this situation!
Pepper spray to control bratty teenagers? WTF am I reading?
Alpha Centauri
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Guys, watch AFTER she is already in the car and the door is closed.
The officer sprays her again
That is when it becomes excessive force in my eyes. Everything else up to that point can be justified.
The officer sprays her again
That is when it becomes excessive force in my eyes. Everything else up to that point can be justified.
Infuriating to watch and some of the responses in here are maddening. There is zero excuse for how those officers behaved. After this shit-tastic week, you'd think something would get done. Some movement towards an acknowledgement that something is wrong with our police force. But nothing ever will get done. And things will just continue to get worse and more toxic.
This would be shitty behavior towards anyone, let alone a 15-year-old.
This would be shitty behavior towards anyone, let alone a 15-year-old.
DragonSworne
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When will cops fucking learn that they don't have to be listened to at all times? It's not a damn crime to ignore your ass.
It kinda of is though.
Well..if you commit a crime and decide, "nah I'm not gonna participate" is an issue. Laws are in place for a reason. Where should we draw a line to where it doesn't matter anymore? She was essentially attempting a hit and run. Pepper spray was way excessive imo, but if she cooperated who knows.
The Faceless Master
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if things stay on trajectory, one of these days an incident similar to this will happen and a bystander won't be able to take it anymore and they will assert their 1st amendment rights... and that will be a sad, sad day,
TheStruggler
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that is true even suspected of a crime she tech does have the right to remain silent if she chose to yet I can see police officers getting pissy at that option because they are so authoritative
EDIT: Don't know why the officer keeps holding her shoulder, creeps me out a little Esp when she kept saying to not do it. I mean she was handcuffed and on the ground they could have left her and if she tried to get up just lead her back down again.
Do you mean second amendment?
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