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[shiba5]

I just love how Milo is being branded as as just a "gay Trump supporter with a difference of opinion" in every comment section on this story. "Evilfascistfreespeechhatinghomophobes won't let this poor man talk!"
They brandish his sexuality like a cudgel as if it completely overrides the diarrhea that comes out of his mouth.

 

[dave is ok]

Did it ever occur to you that I gave that advice because it WORKS?

This thread proves it only works on people who don't actually click the links.

It's childish and ineffective. Do better.

 

[Sai-kun]

The Left is in an extremely insecure place right now, I think this thread proves that. The sad thing is, instead of upholding common decency, they are either neurotically trying to regulate social life with politically correct rules or throwing away the rules entirely. This is the kind of stuff that ensure Trump has no strong opposition in 2020.

Yeah, bro, totally. Fuckin fags and trannies asking for basic rights and to be treated with basic human decency is some real PC shit.

I am arguing in good faith, let me make this clear, Nazi's disgust me, I don't like Milo, I do not advocate his views, I do not support Donald Trump, I am a liberal, I read both sides to make informed decisions about current topics, I do not advocate violence unless it is in self-defense and I do not advocate rioting where innocent people can be hurt because of the actions of one bigot.

Is that clear enough or should I repeat that before I make every single point?

Nazism is a promise of violence. I'm willing to chalk up violence against them as self-defense.

 

[Foggy]

Exactly, he is wanting people to dogpile me and not read anything in hopes of painting me out to be a bigot and get a ban basically.

Mod discouraged it, he said he'd move on, you can stop playing the victim.

 

[TestOfTide]

If you read the summaries and then the posts they don't quite tally up. Plus, they're not strictly relevant to this topic. To be clear, I don't agree with much of anything Philosophy has said here or in the past.

The only summary I screwed up was the first one. The others are absolutely in line with the posts.

 

[Vyer]

I mean, free speech is free speech. Hate speech is vile as fuck, but the way I see it- His first Amendment right covers his speech as much as my 6th Amendment protects your right to a fair trial after You punch him in the face.

Everybody wins.

The dissemination and normalization of hate speech and white supremacy will guarantee that quite a lot of people will not get a fair trial.

Or even a fair right to survive.

 

[capitalCORN]

If you read the summaries and then the posts they don't quite tally up. Plus, they're not strictly relevant to this topic. To be clear, I don't agree with much of anything Philosophy has said here or in the past.

You mean the first one where he denies mainstream free press, and the other where he contorts to afford Trump leeway on his 'travel ban'?

 

[aeolist]

Exactly, he is wanting people to dogpile me and not read anything in hopes of painting me out to be a bigot and get a ban basically.

i mean you're either a bigot or so incredibly naive that it's almost indistinguishable

either way your kind of attitude is exactly what helps nazis gain power and enact their agendas

 

[tuxfool]

Exactly, he is wanting people to dogpile me and not read anything in hopes of painting me out to be a bigot and get a ban basically.

After claiming to have been bamboozled by the transparent Leave propaganda in Brexit, I have doubts as to your sincerity in any immigration based topic. You gravitate towards banning immigrants because you like it.

 

[TestOfTide]

This thread proves it only works on people who don't actually click the links.

It's childish and ineffective. Do better.

You think THAT was what I was talking about with "shame and humiliation"?

You clearly didn't delve far enough into my post history or you would have found out what I actually meant when I said "shame and humiliate the alt-right and deplorables".

BRB, going to give you what I ACTUALLY mean when I say "shame and humiliate".

 

[MHWilliams]

Exactly, he is wanting people to dogpile me and not read anything in hopes of painting me out to be a bigot and get a ban basically.

If you read the summaries and then the posts they don't quite tally up. Plus, they're not strictly relevant to this topic. To be clear, I don't agree with much of anything Philosophy has said here or in the past.

Elaborate please.

Continued talking about it isn't particularly helping the situation. Y'all are seriously trying my patience.

I agree, I digress, I just felt the need to defend my position, I am going to leave the thread now anyway as I have said my piece and don't wish to continue in a never ending argument.

I appreciate your approach to the discussion though.

Not a problem. I understand that feeling.

 

[SerTapTap]

The Left is in an extremely insecure place right now, I think this thread proves that. The sad thing is, instead of upholding common decency, they are either neurotically trying to regulate social life with politically correct rules or throwing away the rules entirely. This is the kind of stuff that ensure Trump has no strong opposition in 2020.

I mean the right is trying to ban an entire religion from entering the country, building walls and trying to fire anyone who disagrees with them while blatantly breaking or changing governmental rules to prevent political opponents from being able to vote or rule against them, and insulting the free press every time they're reported on.

But yeah, the left is insecure. I heard they said "nazi" on twitter once.

I just love how Milo is being branded as as just a "gay Trump supporter with a difference of opinion" in every comment section on this story. "Evilfascistfreespeechhatinghomophobes won't let this poor man talk!"
They brandish his sexuality like a cudgel as if it completely overrides the diarrhea that comes out of his mouth.

Very common tactic. You'll see lots of "BLACKS FOR TRUMP", "RATIONAL DEMOCRATS" etc on Twitter and the like with not a single lick of apparent investment in whatever minority/brand they pretend to be a part of. They just use it so they can say "woaaaaah I thought you liberals LIKED people like me now you don't like me just because I advocate a white nationstate, hmmmm bias."

 

[Crossing Eden]

They are racists, bigots and horrible people as I stated in my (misread by you) post. I fail to see the need to label them as nazi. It is a label that is ill-suited when better descriptions are available: racists, bigots, assholes and cunts.

Multiple instances of posting literal nazi symbols. It's like the only litmus tests for nazism iis genocides. Which they advocate for, considering they have a section dedicated solely to "black crime." I'm genuinely curious what your end goal is with this line of semantics? Making sure that no one calls these people who have an incredibly telling history when it comes to things that not so coincidentally fall very much in line with nazism including frequent usage of their symbols aren't actually called nazis?

 

[BobbyRobby]

They are racists, bigots and horrible people as I stated in my (misread by you) post. I fail to see the need to label them as nazi. It is a label that is ill-suited when better descriptions are available: racists, bigots, assholes and cunts.

Wearing a che guevara t-shirt doesnt make me a commie.

After the Richard Spencer punch, a lot of people decided it was okay to hit a Nazi for speech.

So naturally, the definition of 'nazi' is becoming broader to excuse violence against more people.

This is an excuse for political violence. The left is on a very bad trajectory.

 

[Boozeroony]

Multiple instances of posting literal nazi symbols. It's like the only litmus tests for nazism iis genocides. Which they advocate for, considering they have a section dedicated solely to "black crime." I'm genuinely curious what your end goal is with this line of semantics?

He only needs to grow a small 'stache now.

 

[jstripes]

The Right: "The Left are a bunch of cowards and weaklings! We're the real men!"

*The Left organizes in mass protest against the Right

The Right: "The Left are a bunch of violent lunatics!"


Honestly, aside from ganging up on minorities and cornball Tea Party theatrics, when's the last time the Right organized in public protest for any meaningful reason? They love picking on those weaker than them, but tend to shy away from anything bigger.

 

[Madame M]

Picking through someone's post history with the specific intention of public humiliation/undermining them leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Just debate the guy's argument.

When it happens to me I'm flattered someone is so interested in what I have to say.

 

[TestOfTide]

They are racists, bigots and horrible people as I stated in my (misread by you) post. I fail to see the need to label them as nazi. It is a label that is ill-suited when better descriptions are available: racists, bigots, assholes and cunts.


Wearing a che guevara t-shirt doesnt make me a commie.

So you don't see the need to label people who wear Nazi Iron Crosses and think Jews control the media and money, as Nazis?

Is this a joke?

 

[Lime]

After the Richard Spencer punch, a lot of people decided it was okay to hit a Nazi for speech.

So naturally, the definition of 'nazi' is becoming broader to excuse violence against more people.

This is an excuse for political violence. The left is on a very bad trajectory.

Milo falls within the category like Spencer, there's no "broadening to excuse violence".

But it's good that you're here to defend him.

 

[dynamitejim]

It hasn't even been a week since one of these alt-right creeps shot up a Mosque KILLING 6 innocent people and their "moderate" defenders are already back on the "bu-bu-but the violent LEFT!!11!" nonsense.

 

[Crossing Eden]

He only needs to grow a small 'stache now.

Gonna ask you again

I'm genuinely curious what your end goal is with this line of semantics? Making sure that no one calls these people who have an incredibly telling history when it comes to things that not so coincidentally fall very much in line with nazism including frequent usage of their nazi symbolism and frequent instances of very specific anti-semitism aren't actually called nazis?

 

[Glass Shark]

The Right: "The Left are a bunch of cowards and weaklings! We're the real men!"

*The Left organizes in mass protest against the Right

The Right: "The Left are a bunch of violent lunatics!"


Honestly, aside from ganging up on minorities and cornball Tea Party theatrics, when's the last time the Right organized in public protest for any meaningful reason? They love picking on those weaker than them, but tend to shy away from anything bigger.

I've been thinking about this lately too. The March for Life was the last thing I can think of, but everything I saw of that turned out to be a giant wet fart.

 

[jellies_two]

Did trump just put a presidential protection order on Milo by threatening withdrawal of federal funds unless he can practice his trolling without getting blocked by protests ?

 

[SerTapTap]

Gonna ask you again

I'm genuinely curious what your end goal is with this line of semantics? Making sure that no one calls these people who have an incredibly telling history when it comes to things that not so coincidentally fall very much in line with nazism including frequent usage of their nazi symbolism and frequent instances of very specific anti-semitism aren't actually called nazis?

People who totally aren't nazis have a very, very narrow definition of nazis and are very very protective of people who are called nazis.

They're totally not nazis though

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Multiple instances of posting literal nazi symbols. It's like the only litmus tests for nazism iis genocides. Which they advocate for, considering they have a section dedicated solely to "black crime." I'm genuinely curious what your end goal is with this line of semantics? Making sure that no one calls these people who have an incredibly telling history when it comes to things that not so coincidentally fall very much in line with nazism including frequent usage of their symbols aren't actually called nazis?

That's just a coincidence tho..😐

 

[boiled goose]

To me this is always a tough question.

College campus are a place for discussion, but discussion can't be constantly held backwards by stupid/constantly disproven ideas.

I would lean towards letting him speak, but hold a counter event with awesome stuff so that no one goes to his event and you don't give him any attention or publicity. Then send a few smart people to his event to challenge and embarrass him.

As a Cal alum, I don't mind the protests and I am not surprised haha. Berkeley is pretty passionate.

 

[Screaming Meat]

Continued talking about it isn't particularly helping the situation. Y'all are seriously trying my patience.

Fair enough.

After the Richard Spencer punch, a lot of people decided it was okay to hit a Nazi for speech.

So naturally, the definition of 'nazi' is becoming broader to excuse violence against more people.

This is an excuse for political violence. The left is on a very bad trajectory.

As much as I support Nazi punching, I kind of see where you're coming from.

I've seen it used in reference to people whose only crime is voting for Trump. Like, yeah, they're fucking idiots, but that alone doesn't strictly make them outright Nazis.

Milos, however... definitely a Nazi.

 

[BobbyRobby]

Milo falls within the category like Spencer, there's no "broadening to excuse violence".

But it's good that you're here to defend him.

Defend his right to speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Defend his speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

I'm an independent tho. Keep punching them Nazis!

 

[Screaming Meat]

Defend his speech.

...aaaand you lost me.

 

[TestOfTide]

After the Richard Spencer punch, a lot of people decided it was okay to hit a Nazi for speech.

So naturally, the definition of 'nazi' is becoming broader to excuse violence against more people.

This is an excuse for political violence. The left is on a very bad trajectory.

No the definition is not expanding.

Milo is literally a neonazi. Dude even wore a Nazi Iron Cross.

 

[Frozenprince]

I'm an independent tho. Keep punching them Nazis!

LOL man for real, if I have to vote Gary Johnson or the "Legal weed now" party to sock some goose steppers sign my ass up.

 

[Crossing Eden]

To me this is always a tough question.

College campus are a place for discussion, but discussion can't be constantly held backwards by stupid/constantly disproven ideas.

I would lean towards letting him speak

No. There is literally nothing of value lost, by not giving this bastard a platform.

That's just a coincidence tho..��

I'm sure this is too.

 

[Bl@de]

After the Richard Spencer punch, a lot of people decided it was okay to hit a Nazi for speech.

So naturally, the definition of 'nazi' is becoming broader to excuse violence against more people.

This is an excuse for political violence. The left is on a very bad trajectory.

Yeah, noticed that as well over the past couple of weeks. If both sides radicalize (left and right) it will end in mass riots and a lot of innocent people hurt.

No the definition is expanding.

Milo is literally a neonazi. Dude even wore a Nazi Iron Cross.

If Milo is a nazi, why are there videos of masked people beating students with poles and pepperspraying women? Those antifa people don't care. They are just out to break shit and hurt people. Doesn't matter who.

 

[RinsFury]

Defend his speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

Hatemongers don't deserve to have their speech defended. The whole idea that all speech is equal needs to die.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Defend his speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

Milo uses these events to harass people. One of his fans shot a protester a couple of weeks ago.

Free speech does not mean you can incite violence. Milo poses a danger to others.

 

[RDreamer]

To me this is always a tough question.

College campus are a place for discussion, but discussion can't be constantly held backwards by stupid/constantly disproven ideas.

I would lean towards letting him speak, but hold a counter event with awesome stuff so that no one goes to his event and you don't give him any attention or publicity. Then send a few smart people to his event to challenge and embarrass him.

As a Cal alum, I don't mind the protests and I am not surprised haha. Berkeley is pretty passionate.

If he was just saying stupid backwards shit I'd almost agree with you, but I'm not sure campuses should allow people to come in and literally harass/mock their own students. I feel like that's a big crossed line, and colleges should have at least some duty to protect their students from that sort of thing.

 

[Jarate]

Look, I'm not going to sit here and defend someone punching a dude, but when you're entire career is based around "trolling" people and being abhorrently racist and just a dick in general, I'm not going to be upset when someone smacks the shit out of you.

You're allowed to say what you want in our country but you also have to understand that there are consequences to those things you say.

 

[BobbyRobby]

...aaaand you lost me.

Right to speech. Edited that.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Right to speech. Edited that.

This is how he uses his right to speech. Stop thinking about his feelings and start thinking about the people whose lives he makes worse.

 

[Frozenprince]

If you're saying hateful, evil awful things that have caused shootings, riots, mob violence and more, simply to "troll".

Does it make a difference if he's a "troll" or really a self hating bigot?

Because the end result is the same if he believes this shit or not.

 

[Glass Shark]

Defend his right to speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

There. Is. Absolutely. No. Reason. To. Defend. Hate. Speech.

NONE.

Hate speech =/= free speech and it never will. Hate speech is violence, and it's finally being repaid with violence to shut it down. And Richard Spencer's crying ass shows it's working.

 

[Lime]

Defend his speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

"Your party"? I have no idea what you're talking about.

The so-called Left already lost with a fascist in power and a majority of conservatives and far-right politicians willing to enact his policies. You're late to the party.

Now the game is rigged and there won't be many institutions left to protect 'liberal values' in the coming years. Now is the time for organizing, for protesting, for coming together, and to fight back against the rise of far-right ideology and fascism. This isn't a game and it isn't some innocent debate with one side versus the other, it's people's lives, their well-being, societies across the world, and the stability of the planet itself. You and everyone else cannot be neutral in this.

 

[smudge]

Yeah, noticed that as well over the past couple of weeks. If both sides radicalize (left and right) it will end in mass riots and a lot of innocent people hurt.

I think this is an inevitability at this point. We're going to see mobs fighting in the street very soon. Violence begets violence.

 

[Boozeroony]

Gonna ask you again

I'm genuinely curious what your end goal is with this line of semantics? Making sure that no one calls these people who have an incredibly telling history when it comes to things that not so coincidentally fall very much in line with nazism including frequent usage of their nazi symbolism and frequent instances of very specific anti-semitism aren't actually called nazis?

From the nazism wiki: Using social darwinism, advocating racial purity, aiming for nationalisation of some industries and going for territorial expansion to provide lebensraum.

What is the difference between a neo-nazi and a nazi?

 

[capitalCORN]

This is the future:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-milo-yiannopoulos-speech-seattle-charges

 

[Frozenprince]

This is how he uses his right to speech. Stop thinking about his feelings and start thinking about the people whose lives he makes worse.

What he did to that poor young woman will never not make me wanna give him a jab to the jaw if I ever saw him.

Completely unnecessary, disgusting, and debasing. His disgusting followers no doubt still harass her.

 

[Anung]

I think this is an inevitability at this point. We're going to see mobs fighting in the street very soon. Violence begets violence.

Passivity would beget violence in this case too. Consider the end goals the alt-right seek.

 

[dynamitejim]

Defend his right to speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

I'm sure the people in Mosques, Black Churches, Jewish Community Centers, Abortion Clinics, Unitarian Churches, etc, etc, etc. sleep better at night knowing Liberals haven't abandoned their values.

 

[RDreamer]

Defend his right to speech. Not the Man. Not a complicated concept.

Don't conflate. It's obnoxious.

The left will continue to lose if it abandons liberal values. You are being short-sighted and doing a disservice to your party.

He has a right to say the things he says (outside of literally mocking/harassing specific people), but does he have a right to speak on any platform/place/location he wishes?

No one's saying he should be persecuted or the government should stop him from having shitty backwards opinions, but people are saying they don't want to hear his bullshit at their venues.