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NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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Almost every side quest has story significance, it's kinda fantastic.
21B's fight has her referencing her sidequest chain, Devola and Popolas roles are established through their side quest chain, one has a pair of androids who are a couple, but one keeps reformatting the other whenever there's an issue in some twisted inverse of 2B's and 9S's relationship.
Hell, 2B is outright given an assassination mission in one side quest. Put it together with Amnesia and that creates the foreshadowing of 2B's identity. Something you'd have missed had you not gone out of your way to do the optional content.
RubberLuffy
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Also really bums me out when people say "tedious sidequests", like they aren't paying attention to the events, and only the rewards they get.
Also what up Gyro avatar buddy
Finished this last night, and while I went in expecting the harsh emotions NieR 1 left with me, I still came out satisfied. Instead of feeling remorse and regret for cheering on Papa NieR, I just feel emptiness. It was like Yoko Taro took Bioshock: Infinite's ending and learned from their mistakes.
I tried reading through this thread, but I have missed it.
The only thing I never got an answer to is: who was behind the Androids?
I keep thinking of two scenarios:
1) Androids and Machines both idolize humans and want to become as close to them as possible. Thus their never ending wars done to push evolution. But this makes me wonder why the Bunker had backdoor access for the Machines.
2) Machines made androids based off of the only Androids in NieR, Devola and Popola, (the other "people" were repilicants designed to accept gestalts). These Androids were designed to be pushed into an orchestrated war to help the Machine evolve, but then grew consciousness, which would fit with the theme of the series.
If I'm wrong in either of these, please rip them apart and educate me. I'd rather know the most accurate theories than hold onto my own.
I tried reading through this thread, but I have missed it.
The only thing I never got an answer to is: who was behind the Androids?
I keep thinking of two scenarios:
1) Androids and Machines both idolize humans and want to become as close to them as possible. Thus their never ending wars done to push evolution. But this makes me wonder why the Bunker had backdoor access for the Machines.
2) Machines made androids based off of the only Androids in NieR, Devola and Popola, (the other "people" were repilicants designed to accept gestalts). These Androids were designed to be pushed into an orchestrated war to help the Machine evolve, but then grew consciousness, which would fit with the theme of the series.
If I'm wrong in either of these, please rip them apart and educate me. I'd rather know the most accurate theories than hold onto my own.
Also, everyone, I found super secret ending ZZ.
It's Android propaganda done to motivate YorHA into fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1BdQcJ2ZYY
It's Android propaganda done to motivate YorHA into fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1BdQcJ2ZYY
I literally did that sidequest after the reveal lmao
I was like, wow, guess I should do more sidequests LOL
Yep, incredible.
Yup, heard similar musings in the Gravity Rush 2 OT, where the main concern is the reward. Which is fair of course, who wouldn't want to know which sidequests are "worth" doing. But honestly, after playing stuff like W3, GR2, and now Nier, I now know for sure that my primary concern is an interesting story. Give me that, and tedious or not, I'll likely do it. Fact of the matter is that sidequests are normally always gonna have you do something dumb, tedious, or repetitive, but if you cover it well enough with an interesting story, I'll forgive it. A good reward afterwards is just icing on the cake for me.
Nier arguably has sidequests on par with W3 just for the simple fact that they actually tie in to the story, either through providing a backstory, foreshadowing, or making sure you care more about characters before shit hits the fan. (Pascal's children...) They may not be some long sprawling thing, but it still works for what some of them attempted to accomplish.
GwyndolinCinder
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1)Tthe backdoor into the bunker was created to unlock after a set amount of time, so the machines could destroy YoRHa, specifically the evidence that humanity is extinct. The war is eternal because without it, the androids and machines would lose their only purpose, so both sides have failsafes in place to prevent them winning.
2) The androids are the ones created to oversee project gestalt or other similar projects, that eventually gain proper self consciousness. They were likely all built before humanity went extinct, aside from the YoRHa units who were created by other androids out of machine cores. The creators of YoRHa I think are left unknown, but it's ultimately not important.
RubberLuffy
Banned
The first NieR really drilled into me that good narrative for sidequests, no matter how tedious (although fuck off, flowers sidequest) can really make all the difference. The old dude who lost his dog sidequest, which is really easy and pretty early in the game, is one of the more memorable and emotionally effective (to me at least, as I love dogs) parts of the original NieR, and the sidequest takes all of like 10 minutes to do. The reward didn't even matter.
DrunkShogun
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I'm still surprised how insignificant Adam and Eve turned out to be. Really glad I avoiding all information on this game because I was expecting them to be the main villains, didn't expect devola and popola and thought they were up to no good when they came as well as expecting 2b to be the main playable character. Btw is there any updates on jean Paul or does he just go off on his own journeys.
The Devola and Popola sidequest had me thinking the same thing lol
Well... even more so, since I'm hip to what they did in the first Nier. The music also got all ominous too, so I'm like "Shit..." Did not expect that swerve, nor did I'd think 2B would die so quickly. I foolishly thought she'd come back somehow, forgetting who the director of this game was. Well okay, she did come back, I just didn't get to play as her again.
MultiJhonny
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I think they will be more significant later on. As weird as that is, because Eve had a Cult of Watchers image on his torso
God the music in this game is so on point.
Adam and Eve are weirdo freaks of machines that don't fit in at all with their kind, so their boss theme doesn't at all fit with the rest of the soundtrack. The minute that started playing in the alien ship hammered home how abnormal they are way more than anything else.
Weird yet fitting. There wasn't a single song from the OST I disliked though, so yea
Of all the things in this game that aren't okay this is the not okayest.
Thanks for the input. I can agree to #2.
That bunker part is what bothers me though.
I can see it being done to prevent the truth of humanity being leaked, but it just feels like overkill.
Same here.
I was actually playing NieR for the first time as escapism because my dog had just passed.
Between that and Roc, it was tough.
Felt like I made a poor choice, but also made me more receptive to the emotions of the story.
They should've made three different versions of the song like with devola and popla's theme in the first one
This entire game I was like: "ooh watch.. X is gonna do Y because Z" I was almost always (gladly) wrong.
The only things I got right were: Humans and Aliens were already dead. I had a inkling the tower could send machine data to space, but wasn't confident enough to say I called it.
I always play dumb when it comes to shit like this, because I don't like doing a million guesses and hoping I'm right. But yea, my gist was machines and androids aren't so different, and that some dark shit would befall Pascal, that Devola and Popola are evil, but other than that, I didn't give it much thought. Just let the story carry me where it wanted to.
Also y'all were confusing the hell out of me with the implications of having to make some big scary choice for Route C/D. Once I realized what it was, I was like "Nooooooooooooo"
I mean yea, I can just do the other route afterwards, but in that moment, I'm like "Noooooooooooooooooooo", don't fight guys!
KO Traveling Hobo
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One bit of hindsight symbolism that I don't see mentioned too much but really like is the scene where 9S confronts a shadowy figure in his mindspace that's attacking his memories of 2B. He shouts at the figure to leave his memories alone, then stabs the hell out of it, only for the shadows to dissipate and reveal 2B, who 9S continues to stab.
On the surface, it's just some shocking imagery caused by the machine network fucking with 9S.
But think about it. Who is it that keeps killing 9S, causing his memories of 2B to be erased? 2B herself. That's why the shadowy figure was 2B.
For sure. The Nier DLC also had some great electronic remixes on it.
On the surface, it's just some shocking imagery caused by the machine network fucking with 9S.
But think about it. Who is it that keeps killing 9S, causing his memories of 2B to be erased? 2B herself. That's why the shadowy figure was 2B.
For sure. The Nier DLC also had some great electronic remixes on it.
Lol yeah, same here. I kept making backup saves in case I made the wrong choice. I knew they were gonna fight, but I thought 2B's memories were going to merge with A2 and it would end up being 9S killing 2B without knowing it.
I like that it can be:
- 9S wanting to fuck 2B
- 9S wanting to kill 2B
- A half-meta statement regarding how a lot of people really like 2B's design
Damn, everything in this game means more than first glance, huh.
Alright. In that case, can anyone explain why 21O started treating 9S like a child at the start of route C? Cause that's the one thing that stands out to me that I just can't figure out.
Edit: Wait hold on. Was she treating him like a son/ little brother because she wanted a family? That just hit me the moment I posted this, but I'm still not sure.
According to previous posts, there's some Desert Rose sidequest. (I haven't done it yet, so sorry for any inaccuracies .) Ends with the operator learning about (or more?) the concept of a family or something. So that's why she's suddenly so much warmer towards him, because she actually does care for him in her own way.
But yea, sidequest is what gives you more info on that.
Automata is definitely a lot more subtle in the things it's doing compared to the past games
21O wants a family.
It's funny because love is another 4-letter word that fits. Fits in Japanese as well. Thanks, Jackass.
DrunkShogun
Member
And what about 6O for 2b. That girl had her whole redemption arc getting over her tragic romance. Jackass is the best though. The report she writes about the machines at the end puts her on top.
The androids don't have genitals tho.
Also is it just me or is A2 actually....Mostly naked? Most of her clothes seem to be just skin that peeled off.
Glass Rebel
Member
suffer like 2B did
It's hinted in the game that despite his memories being wiped everytime.....9S was somehow aware of 2B's reality but perhaps didn't want to accept it and buried it within.
There's a novella (which is a summary of the Pearl Harbor stage play) you can read by accessing the terminal behind Anemone at the camp. You'd have to watch the stageplay for more details, though.
Yup, I don't often say this, but Jackass is best girl.
It's funny because love is another 4-letter word that fits. Fits in Japanese as well. Thanks, Jackass.
Heh.
Yep!
Did you read the stuff from the terminal?
Now I feel stupid. Didn't even know something like that existed. How the hell could I miss it? Gotta fire up the game again then! Thanks!
CannonFodder52
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Peroroncino
Member
I'm on my first playthrough, but I need to know now whether or not somebody can explain this?
Glass Rebel
Member
Not sure if that was referring to this but I remember Emil saying that he created multiple versions of himself to combat the aliens but all of them were lost. I guess some of them were huge? Maybe.
Edit: Answered above
What I was thinking about last night:
Pascal just wants to acquire and disseminate knowledge and live in peace. And the other machines and androids just want to kill each other because that's the way things have always be and the way things should always be. Because, if not for that, then what would they live for? To add to that, both sides have effectively deified humans.
Pascal is an intellectual trapped in a world of religious conservatives. And he suffers horribly for it.
(Although, it's possible that he has his own reverence for humans, but whereas the others are interested in tangible representations of humanity and its past, he's more interested in philosophy and the nuances of existence. In fact, he's really the only one with a grasp on what it means to be, as we understand it. How does this naive little robot in a ramshackle village with goofy inhabitants end up being the most tragic character. fak.)
Pascal just wants to acquire and disseminate knowledge and live in peace. And the other machines and androids just want to kill each other because that's the way things have always be and the way things should always be. Because, if not for that, then what would they live for? To add to that, both sides have effectively deified humans.
Pascal is an intellectual trapped in a world of religious conservatives. And he suffers horribly for it.
(Although, it's possible that he has his own reverence for humans, but whereas the others are interested in tangible representations of humanity and its past, he's more interested in philosophy and the nuances of existence. In fact, he's really the only one with a grasp on what it means to be, as we understand it. How does this naive little robot in a ramshackle village with goofy inhabitants end up being the most tragic character. fak.)
Maybe he'll run into Jackass, and they'll discuss life over some mackerel.
Peroroncino
Member
I see, thanks for answering.
And another question, I've found 2 or 3 places where a robot was kneeling, denying me entrance and self-destrtucting, on what NG will I be able to enter those sealed doors?
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