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[shaowebb]

I will say this though...Colleen's fight scenes are shit so far. Her ground and pound looked soooooooo bad.

 

[MartyStu]

I will say this though...Colleen's fight scenes are shit so far. Her ground and pound looked soooooooo bad.

Most of the fight scenes look really bad or mediocre. But yes, hers are particularly poor.

 

[Jake2by4]

Not awful so far but just get rid of Buck and get a new creative team for a s2

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

IMO they needed to make this more comedic to differentiate itself. Sounds like it's trying to be like the other Netflix heroes too much.

We can't have 4 dark brooding hesitant to work with others leads in Defenders.

 

[The Kree]

I'm at the RZA episode. Fingers crossed for some worthwhile action.

 

[Dali]

You do realize this is the actual history of Iron Fist right? Harold Meachum killed his father. He sabotaged a trek to the himalayas to find Kun Lun in the comics. Its not arrow again its Iron Fist's actual character history.

This is the character you came here to see folks. Show is fine. He's not a guy who has villains or a lot of crime in his origin story to go out and fight. He wasn't a dude driven to defend folks like Daredevil. He was a guy seeking to right the thing done to him that cost him his family and the life he knew that resulted in his eventual training to become the Iron Fist.

Sucks folks can't get this. Plus all the talk about why isn't he asian is also right up there on the list of "things folks say when they have ZERO idea about who the character is". White dude, out of place in a mystical city, everything he had lost, he's out of place in their world but trains to the top of it and leaves to reclaim his own place in the world he came from. Its why you're getting the "asian culture through a white guy" thing. He's that out of touch dude who is awkwardly stuck between who he was born to be and who he became when thrust into a world he didn't belong in.

Iron Fist isn't a guy who is a distilled pure character who bleeds nothing but the culture. He's a guy who became a part of that world due to circumstance and it left him unable to operate like everyone else back in the world he came from. He's out of place...thats his thing folks. Iron Fist's thing is that he always feels out of place in both worlds because of who he is, what he became and trying to balance the two. Actually learn the source material. By all means though just throw a big asian guy with nunchuk out there or something fighting ninjas who stole relics from his culture or something. Its a nice aesthetic but its not the story your casting for folks. You'd have a martial arts hero like folks seem to want but you sure wouldn't have anything resembling Iron Fist, his character or its history.

You tune in for Iron Fist try actually EXPECTING to get Iron Fist next time.

I think the point is maybe they should have approached it differently. There was this tv show called arrow that came before this. There was a movie called iron man you may have heard of as well as Batman begins. This is well tread ground and it's not like origins haven't been altered before for tv adaptations.

And Danny was 10 when he disappeared. That's plenty of time to at least know you don't tell someone you broke into their place. And if someone, understandably after 15 years, doesn't believe I'm me then the first thing out of my mouth would be words to verify what I'm saying is true not me saying "I'm me" again and again.

I'm only 5 mins into the 2nd episode so maybe it gets better but thar firsr episode... oh boy.

 

[#1 defender]

It's nowhere near 19% (was at one point 12%) awful. It's easily a high 40%.

No. And Metacritic is scoring it higher FYI.

Its RT rating is actually higher than its Metascore and it's exactly where you want it to be, at 4.65/10. The RT % doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[Renpatsu]

That laptop flying into Danny's forehead.

 

[caliph95]

Watching the second episode not terrible but still not much interesting, i hope they at least establish a goal yet because it seems to have no vision yet and i hope they get out of the asylum soon.

 

[Kinyou]

What the hell was with that scene that was so laughable, i get the point but that scene was funny not in a good way

That scene might have worked if the bully kid didn't look so old. It was like a 19 year old bullying 10 year old children​, lol

 

[Deleted member 10571]

Is Defenders up next on Netflix now? I can't wait to see the crew together lol, especially Luke/Danny

 

[LotusHD]

You do realize this is the actual history of Iron Fist right? Harold Meachum killed his father. He sabotaged a trek to the himalayas to find Kun Lun in the comics. Its not arrow again its Iron Fist's actual character history.

This is the character you came here to see folks. Show is fine. He's not a guy who has villains or a lot of crime in his origin story to go out and fight. He wasn't a dude driven to defend folks like Daredevil. He was a guy seeking to right the thing done to him that cost him his family and the life he knew that resulted in his eventual training to become the Iron Fist.

Sucks folks can't get this. Plus all the talk about why isn't he asian is also right up there on the list of "things folks say when they have ZERO idea about who the character is". White dude, out of place in a mystical city, everything he had lost, he's out of place in their world but trains to the top of it and leaves to reclaim his own place in the world he came from. Its why you're getting the "asian culture through a white guy" thing. He's that out of touch dude who is awkwardly stuck between who he was born to be and who he became when thrust into a world he didn't belong in.

Iron Fist isn't a guy who is a distilled pure character who bleeds nothing but the culture. He's a guy who became a part of that world due to circumstance and it left him unable to operate like everyone else back in the world he came from. He's out of place...thats his thing folks. Iron Fist's thing is that he always feels out of place in both worlds because of who he is, what he became and trying to balance the two. Actually learn the source material. By all means though just throw a big asian guy with nunchuk out there or something fighting ninjas who stole relics from his culture or something. Its a nice aesthetic but its not the story your casting for folks. You'd have a martial arts hero like folks seem to want but you sure wouldn't have anything resembling Iron Fist, his character or its history.

You tune in for Iron Fist try actually EXPECTING to get Iron Fist next time.

At the end of the day, what matters to me is whether or not the show is engaging or a slog to get through. So far it's been the latter, with few positives such as Colleen and Harold, and noticeable negatives such as the mediocre fight scenes. That sucks in particular, because from the beginning I was hoping I'd have that to look forward to so that it'd be easier to overlook any of the show's shortcomings.

 

[caliph95]

You do realize this is the actual history of Iron Fist right? Harold Meachum killed his father. He sabotaged a trek to the himalayas to find Kun Lun in the comics. Its not arrow again its Iron Fist's actual character history.

This is the character you came here to see folks. Show is fine. He's not a guy who has villains or a lot of crime in his origin story to go out and fight. He wasn't a dude driven to defend folks like Daredevil. He was a guy seeking to right the thing done to him that cost him his family and the life he knew that resulted in his eventual training to become the Iron Fist.

Sucks folks can't get this. Plus all the talk about why isn't he asian is also right up there on the list of "things folks say when they have ZERO idea about who the character is". White dude, out of place in a mystical city, everything he had lost, he's out of place in their world but trains to the top of it and leaves to reclaim his own place in the world he came from. Its why you're getting the "asian culture through a white guy" thing. He's that out of touch dude who is awkwardly stuck between who he was born to be and who he became when thrust into a world he didn't belong in.

Iron Fist isn't a guy who is a distilled pure character who bleeds nothing but the culture. He's a guy who became a part of that world due to circumstance and it left him unable to operate like everyone else back in the world he came from. He's out of place...thats his thing folks. Iron Fist's thing is that he always feels out of place in both worlds because of who he is, what he became and trying to balance the two. Actually learn the source material. By all means though just throw a big asian guy with nunchuk out there or something fighting ninjas who stole relics from his culture or something. Its a nice aesthetic but its not the story your casting for folks. You'd have a martial arts hero like folks seem to want but you sure wouldn't have anything resembling Iron Fist, his character or its history.

You tune in for Iron Fist try actually EXPECTING to get Iron Fist next time.

Cool story still uninteresting,

 

[Krowley]

Episode 4:

Spoiler

Danny clearly doesn't understand how the pharmaceutical industry operates, lol. He's like, "Profits? You're actually charging people money to keep them alive? What the fuck is wrong with you people?." But good on him though. I like that moment.

 

[Dali]

At the end of the day, what matters to me is whether or not the show is engaging or a slog to get through. So far it's been the latter, with few positives such as Colleen and Harold, and noticeable negatives such as the mediocre fight scenes. That sucks in particular, because from the beginning I was hoping I'd have that to look forward to so that it'd be easier to overlook any of the show's shortcomings.

That's the long and short of it. I knew dick about Jessica Jones and wasn't a fan before the show. I watched it because it was a marvel show. I don't know about iron fist's popularity other than I'm sure he has more name recognition than JJ, but I think the vast majority of people that watch these shows don't have intimate knowledge of the characters and just want to see some cool marvel shit and watch a good show.

 

[Pachimari]

Yeah, thats what I meant. Its awful. They should have him do Kung-Fu and meditating and thats it, not talking about Buddishm and stuff all the time

I will love it if he talks about Buddhism since I'm a Buddhist myself, but him one-upping Colleen Wing who is a local at it would not be cool. I don't want him to be better at it than any of those who grew up with Buddhism in the show. It shouldn't be him giving a lesson in it is what I try to say.

 

[Ban Puncher]

Watched the first two episodes.

It's not all that good so far but it's not the complete shitshow I was lead to believe it would be.

 

[Mr Touchdown]

My biggest criticism so far:

Everyone has an amazing memory of 15 years ago.

But it's fun, ON TO EPISODE 4

 

[zorlaczerohero]

I sort of love it because whilst everyone I knew was doing Karate I was doing Lau Gar and Win Chun Kung Fu. They were learning how to hit something hard, I was learning how to avoid being hit. It came to a head in 6th form (English) when an Alpha decided he could hit me without consequence, I moved aside and kicked him with my left foot, he got up and swung again whilst screaming unintelligible nothings, I then kicked him with my right foot, he was on the floor for a good 5 minutes. The headmaster came out and was literally trying not to laugh, he'd just seen one of the school bullies get his ass kicked and he actualy loved it. There was a reason why Cobra-Kai failed, anyone who has actually done martial arts knows this. Years later I moved into full contact Karate and learnt lots, but I learned the most from boxing, most important fighting style anyone should learn. All this is fantasy, I've met people with no training who terrify me, I've met people from spec ops and thought "I could take him" I'm at the point where I'm so drunk I don't actually remember the point I was trying to make, or indeed why I'm making it. It's St Patricks day ya cunts, and I'm Half irish! XXX

 

[Mr Touchdown]

I sort of love it because whilst everyone I knew was doing Karate I was doing Lau Gar and Win Chun Kung Fu. They were learning how to hit something hard, I was learning how to avoid being hit. It came to a head in 6th form (English) when an Alpha decided he could hit me without consequence, I moved aside and kicked him with my left foot, he got up and swung again whilst screaming unintelligible nothings, I then kicked him with my right foot, he was on the floor for a good 5 minutes. The headmaster came out and was literally trying not to laugh, he'd just seen one of the school bullies get his ass kicked and he actualy loved it. There was a reason why Cobra-Kai failed, anyone who has actually done martial arts knows this. Years later I moved into full contact Karate and learnt lots, but I learned the most from boxing, most important fighting style anyone should learn. All this is fantasy, I've met people with no training who terrify me, I've met people from spec ops and thought "I could take him" I'm at the point where I'm so drunk I don't actually remember the point I was trying to make, or indeed why I'm making it. It's St Patricks day ya cunts, and I'm Half irish! XXX

I too am enjoying this show while drinking! HUZZAH!

 

[Sanctuary]

... i think you're misunderstanding how the tomatometer works on rottentomatoes. it's not an average score, it's the percentage of critics that said they liked it. the average score is 4.7/10, which is higher than on metacritic.

No, I understand how it works just fine. It's pretty binary. There are also quite a bit more reviews on RT than on MC too.

Anyway, this is what I'm sure a lot were hoping for:

But this is what we ended up with:

I will love it if he talks about Buddhism since I'm a Buddhist myself, but him one-upping Colleen Wing who is a local at it would not be cool. I don't want him to be better at it than any of those who grew up with Buddhism in the show. It shouldn't be him giving a lesson in it is what I try to say.

So someone who lived it from the age of 10 - 25 didn't "grow up with it", what?

 

[FusedAtoms]

Idk, so far it doesn't really seem like a 33 😂😂 I'd say more like a 60

 

[Shaanyboi]

You do realize this is the actual history of Iron Fist right? Harold Meachum killed his father. He sabotaged a trek to the himalayas to find Kun Lun in the comics. Its not arrow again its Iron Fist's actual character history.

This is the character you came here to see folks. Show is fine. He's not a guy who has villains or a lot of crime in his origin story to go out and fight. He wasn't a dude driven to defend folks like Daredevil. He was a guy seeking to right the thing done to him that cost him his family and the life he knew that resulted in his eventual training to become the Iron Fist.

Sucks folks can't get this. Plus all the talk about why isn't he asian is also right up there on the list of "things folks say when they have ZERO idea about who the character is". White dude, out of place in a mystical city, everything he had lost, he's out of place in their world but trains to the top of it and leaves to reclaim his own place in the world he came from. Its why you're getting the "asian culture through a white guy" thing. He's that out of touch dude who is awkwardly stuck between who he was born to be and who he became when thrust into a world he didn't belong in.

Iron Fist isn't a guy who is a distilled pure character who bleeds nothing but the culture. He's a guy who became a part of that world due to circumstance and it left him unable to operate like everyone else back in the world he came from. He's out of place...thats his thing folks. Iron Fist's thing is that he always feels out of place in both worlds because of who he is, what he became and trying to balance the two. Actually learn the source material. By all means though just throw a big asian guy with nunchuk out there or something fighting ninjas who stole relics from his culture or something. Its a nice aesthetic but its not the story your casting for folks. You'd have a martial arts hero like folks seem to want but you sure wouldn't have anything resembling Iron Fist, his character or its history.

You tune in for Iron Fist try actually EXPECTING to get Iron Fist next time.

I am perfectly familiar with Iron Fist. I also think there are plenty of defining elements of his character that are either uncomfortably dated, or just fucking boring from overexposure. This show isn't doing anything to circumvent that or put any kind of unique spin to distinguish itself.

People coming to this with little familiarity don't care what the source material is. They care about "Am I enjoying this?" This show isn't even succeeding on that level so far. It's simply redundant.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I will love it if he talks about Buddhism since I'm a Buddhist myself, but him one-upping Colleen Wing who is a local at it would not be cool. I don't want him to be better at it than any of those who grew up with Buddhism in the show. It shouldn't be him giving a lesson in it is what I try to say.

Dont expect to much. I have not idea from buddishm, but it sounds like a lot of tropes someone writes while not having an actually idea what they are writing about.

 

[Renpatsu]

A lot of the Buddhism or wider philosophy in Iron Fist feels perfunctory at best; lines of dialogue or mantras that decorate the fringes of the plot because that's the background of the source material and character, but the show isn't concerned with exploring that at all.

 

[caliph95]

You know after watching Legion, an episode about superherostuck in a asylum would obviously come up short.

 

[El Topo]

Finished the first episode. Wow. This show sucks.

 

[Pachimari]

Dont expect to much. I have not idea from buddishm, but it sounds like a lot of tropes someone writes while not having an actually idea what they are writing about.

A lot of the Buddhism or wider philosophy in Iron Fist feels perfunctory at best; lines of dialogue or mantras that decorate the fringes of the plot because that's the background of the source material and character, but the show isn't concerned with exploring that at all.

Yeah that's what I feared. I fear Danny will throw in a line here and there to make it seem like he knows all about it.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

Yup, Ep6 and I still like this a lot. You guys go ahead and hate it, I'm just happy about more well done cool comic book characters on TV

 

[LotusHD]

A lot of the Buddhism or wider philosophy in Iron Fist feels perfunctory at best; lines of dialogue or mantras that decorate the fringes of the plot because that's the background of the source material and character, but the show isn't concerned with exploring that at all.

Yea, so far, whenever he talks about it, and I'm just like "Sure dude." It just feels like it's tacked on. As opposed to say, Matt and his Catholicism, which certainly wasn't perfect either, but you'd definitely get the sense that it was an important part of his character, with his whole conflict over hurting people or wondering if he should kill them, which also lead to arguments with other characters (Punisher, Claire, etc.)

You know after watching Legion, an episode about superherostuck in a asylum would obviously come up short.

Lmao good point

 

[DeviantBoi]

Why is there no download option?

I thought I was gonna watch this during my lunch break, but now I won't.

 

[jrush64]

I'm liking it so far. Its not dark like Daredevil or lame like Jessica Jones.

 

[The Kree]

Episode 6 is going to piss a lot of people off.

 

[Renpatsu]

Yeah that's what I feared.

I'm still early into the show, it could be very (very) slow burn, but these initial episodes do little to jumpstart the momentum of the show's driving narrative.

It could be interesting to see the ideological conflict between general Buddhist/Zen teachings and aggressive corporate tactics, but the thus far the show hasn't made good on that at all.

 

[caliph95]

Episode 6 is going to piss a lot of people off.

On episode 3 right now just give me a hint.

Honestly starting episode 3 right now and still seems directionless the other netflix shows shows were a lot more engaging and had more momentum

 

[Blackpanther25]

Finished season 1....it sucked. I've never been so disappointed in a show as much as iron fist.

Spoiler

the best iron fist scene is a freaking 50's capture video

.

 

[LotusHD]

Finished season 1....it sucked. I've never been so disappointed in a show as much as iron fist.

Spoiler

the best iron fist scene is a freaking 50's capture video

.

Damn already?

 

[Jake2by4]

Episode 6 is going to piss a lot of people off.

Does not sound good.

 

[Kinyou]

What's odd is that i have to enter the parental control pin when I select the show. None of the other marvel shows had that. Does it get super brutal at some point?

 

[Sanctuary]

You know after watching Legion, an episode about superherostuck in a asylum would obviously come up short.

For sure. Thing about Legion though is that sometimes it's actually too clever for its own good. It needs to become more than an expensive art house, avant-garde show at least sometimes if it wants to last more than one season.

 

[MartyStu]

For sure. Thing about Legion though is that sometimes it's actually too clever for its own good. It needs to become more than an expensive art house, avant-garde show at least sometimes if it wants to last more than one season.

It has already been renewed.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Finished season 1....it sucked. I've never been so disappointed in a show as much as iron fist.

Spoiler

the best iron fist scene is a freaking 50's capture video

.

How can you already be through 13 episodes? Have they allowed access earlier this time?

 

[Beefy]

Man, the fighting is so bad.

 

[Santiako]

For sure. Thing about Legion though is that sometimes it's actually too clever for its own good. It needs to become more than an expensive art house, avant-garde show at least sometimes if it wants to last more than one season.

It's already been renewed, so they can keep doing what they're doing

 

[Shaanyboi]

For sure. Thing about Legion though is that sometimes it's actually too clever for its own good. It needs to become more than an expensive art house, avant-garde show at least sometimes if it wants to last more than one season.

Legion renewed by FX for Season 2

Seems that people are liking it just fine.

 

[Rooster12]

5 Episodes in and this is already more exciting then every previous season of Arrow.

There you go.

Even the fight scenes?

I find that hard to believe

 

[bratpack]

I swear if I see that plane flashback again I'll turn it off instantly It must have been shown like 50 times so far in episode 1 and then on episode 2 another plane flashback pops up again lol wtf it's trolling at this point

but yeah it's pretty pretty boring overall so far think I'll do a fast forward through the season and look forward to the defenders

 

[Shaanyboi]

Even the fight scenes?

I find that hard to believe

It's hard to beat Roy flips

 

[LotusHD]

Legion renewed by FX for Season 2

Seems that people are liking it just fine.

Nice. Now I need some good news for AoS at some point.

Even the fight scenes?

I find that hard to believe

Because it is.

 

[Sanctuary]

It's already been renewed, so they can keep doing what they're doing

Ok, more than two seasons. The last time I checked was more than a day ago. /shrug

It just reminds me quite a bit of Fargo, and I can't really see it being a huge hit with mainstream audiences for long, despite whatever critical acclaim it receives. Actually, it makes me think of a super extended Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas more often than not.