Funnily enough if you market to a singular audience it becomes a self-fullfiling prophecy where women feel as though they can't partake in gaming because they're not pandered to as much as men are.
The porn industry is literally built on SEX.
Because if you're gonna make a statement, it's good to have receipts, especially when there are many studies that state otherwise.
Again, what research?? And what publishers specifically and how are their games doing, because by my knowledge, the over sexism in gaming in the west seen during the time such as Dragon Age Origins at least in the triple A scene is on a slow but steady decline, with way more games being made by devs unafraid to pursue humanized designs that fit in the context for the whole cast and not just the men. And with how poorly gamers react to the suggestion that gaming is no longer a boy's club. It's not surprising that they're being ignored in the pursuit of equality and bigger sales.
Reviewing.
Because if you're gonna make a statement, it's good to have receipts, especially when there are many studies that state otherwise.
Again, what research?? And what publishers specifically and how are their games doing, because by my knowledge, the over sexism in gaming in the west seen during the time such as Dragon Age Origins at least in the triple A scene is on a slow but steady decline, with way more games being made by devs unafraid to pursue humanized designs that fit in the context for the whole cast and not just the men. And with how poorly gamers react to the suggestion that gaming is no longer a boy's club. It's not surprising that they're being ignored in the pursuit of equality and bigger sales. There are a bunch of examples i named on the second page that showcase this shift.
No. I don't need to go back to university to "read up on basic economics" because the gaming industry is slowly starting to shift and become more and more palatable to women. Why? Because there is more representation amongst nonsexualized female protagonists in gaming.
Read my post on the second page about heroic idealism.
It appears that Crossing Eden is taking the fact that Horizon sold well as CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE that SEX NEVER EVER SELLS. Which, frankly, is taking one data point and stretching it so far that it snaps, and then proclaiming it a trend. Hence why this thread is going very badly: OP does not have the receipts to back up the claims made.
First of all, your argument lies on the presumption that the developers have to change every segment of their game to sell it to women when, going by numerous testimonies from women involved in the industry themselves, that nonsexed up representations of women in otherwise male-dominant represented games is all that a game needs to directly appeal to a female fanbase:
http://kotaku.com/study-shows-which-video-game-genres-women-play-most-1791435415
It actually appears that many people are scrambling to find examples of a game with sexualization that didn't sell like shit and use that as a metric for sex selling while also using the tried and true butmentoo™ as well as statusquo™ tactics. While simultaneously ignoring the fact that we've seen a major shift in the past five years in how women are presented in gaming thanks in part to women like Anita Sarkeesian speaking up about the industry and becoming an influential figure. We've ALREADY SEEN THE SHIFT. It's happened, it's gonna keep happening. And that's a good thing.
Why do you keep trying to deny the dissonance between representation of men and women by citing that men are attractive to despite the clear attempts to desexualize them both subtly and overtly by developers in the industry? This isn't a mentoo™ situation man.
Okay but here's the thing:
The point being that gratuitous sexual pandering is not needed in games that aren't sexual in nature.
The Western version of Nier for both PS3 and 360 was based on the JP 360 version of Nier (Gestalt). Young Nier was still playable via DLC chapters, though. Also, young Nier in Replicant was written as Yonah's older brother, as opposed to old Nier of Gestalt being written as her father.
Thank you.
Literally the whole point of this thread is that sex sells is used as an argument near constantly to defend sexualized depictions of women specifically and nothing else. Like an example I gave before, no one even BRINGS UP the fact that Nathan Drake is attractive unless it's to desperately attempt to name male characters who're attractive to go like "see see, men are sexualized too!1!" ignoring the idea of heroic idealism, the fact that there's still a huge dissonance between the representation of the genders, and the intent of the developers themselves.
I mean you don't say...
We do. Either something has sold because of the sex or it hasn't. Those are the absolutes. I have based a few purchases solely because of the "sex". This makes the thread title an inherently false statement whether it makes me a sexist misogynistic scumbag or not. Please choose better thread titles.
While i tend to agree with the general fact that "sex sells", i do not think this is a driving factor in most videogames.
