Operationgamer17
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I emailed the devs of that game if he's staying in in light of the YL thing. Haven't responded yet.
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Playtonic removes JonTron from Yooka-Laylee.
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I emailed the devs of that game if he's staying in in light of the YL thing. Haven't responded yet.
On the other hand, im doubtful the people outraged by the removal of JT would be the kind of people who would buy a game in which you play as a little girl.
Noted.
EatinOlives
Member
You're a key player. They're probably afraid
Edit: That Jonno PR guy is a hero.
His response to all the alt-right people crying over the removed white supremacist.
Rare was always known for having funny referential and fourth-wall-breaking humor, hopefully they can stick some last-minute reference to this shitstorm just to stick it to the alt-right fuckwads some more XD
EDIT: The top 4 user-defined tags on the Steam page for the game are back to being relevant: "3D Platformer" "Adventure" "Kickstarter" "Indie"
I think the most worrying part is how many people are flat out agreeing with Jon, not even hiding how racist they are.
"But Jon is right! If we let those flithy brown people into our country, they'll destroy our genes and turn America into Iraq! I can't believe Playtonic would try to hide the truth from us and silence Jon like that! It must be those Neogaf SJWs at it again!"
Not to mention the idea over making a conspiracy theory over THIS of all things is just god damn hilarious.
"But Jon is right! If we let those flithy brown people into our country, they'll destroy our genes and turn America into Iraq! I can't believe Playtonic would try to hide the truth from us and silence Jon like that! It must be those Neogaf SJWs at it again!"
Not to mention the idea over making a conspiracy theory over THIS of all things is just god damn hilarious.
Pinko Marx
Banned
You're forgetting the amount of people in the alt-right who are weeaboos that love Moeblob stuff.
Remember the mascot for GG was a little girl.
There are a lot of
- children
- manchildren
- embarrassingly sheltered people
- any combination of the above
on the internet. The kind of people that care so much about this stupid shit that they go on an internet crusade aren't exactly the most well adjusted. You don't waste your emotional energy going to war (safely behind your anonymous screen of course) because a xenophobic manchild was removed from an animal platformer if you can function in the real world.
Fixed that for you, given that JT is already in.
Linkstrikesback
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Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
QisTopTier
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One handed gaming is pretty nice for the disabled, more games should have one handed control schemes
Linkstrikesback
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One handed gaming is pretty nice for the disabled, more games should have one handed control schemes
It is, and I was 100% thinking of and implying that when I made the post and I won't let anyone say otherwise.
JimJamJones
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Savage.
Welcome to the club
wasn't this the guy that basically said women being harassed have to defend themselves even if it's obvious people should help out or not do it in the first place, completely ignoring that women die over the word "no"
edit: yeah
some people just aren't worth the time
TetraGenesis
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Holy fucking shit. Hahahaha
It's been a while since I've posted on GAF, mainly due to life circumstances and such.
The last thing I posted about was.. what, one of Anita Sarkessian's videos? Man it feels like such a long time ago.
The wonderful thing about free speech is that it's a great tool for identifying people you'd rather not associate with.
JonTron used his free speech to give everybody his opinion on who should enter the American gene pool, and whether Mexicans are trying to take over California, one taco truck at a time, to reclaim the Atzlan, because that's rational.
People who heard it used their free speech to say he's woefully ignorant, a racist, and a possible eugenicist.
The makers of the game he was involved in used their free speech and freedom of association to NOT associate with JonTron.
Freedom at work!
But really, this was a long time coming to anybody paying attention at Playtonic. Anybody who followed Grant Kirkhope's Twitter knows he's left-leaning. Anti-Trump (had some choice words for him), Anti-Brexit, Pro-free immigration (no shit, considering video games are a global product and Rare in the good ol' days greatly benefitted from being able to hire from anywhere in Europe) I'd imagine most of Playtonic are left-leaning, as artists tend to be. But you really don't have to be some extreme liberal to reject JonTron's view of ethnic superiority.
What's really going to eat at Jon in the future, should he be introspective of his own role in this, isn't going to be the criticism he's getting from here or liberals in Twitter or the Mainstream Media boogeyman that's ruining his career. It's not going to be all of his old friends distancing themselves from him. If these are his deepest held beliefs, it's only natural for people to disagree to grow apart. What's going to eat at him is that his childhood heroes, the developers at Rare/Playtonic, Tim Schafer, Nintendo, etc. that made his favorite games, people he got to rub shoulders with and discuss game ideas with, maybe even the possibility to work with them on a game itself, will, most likely, permanently close their doors to him. He had a shot and he blew it. Oh sure he'll still have his subscribers and his twitter following, and he'll have to spend the rest of his time in the limelight convincing himself that it's better than what he's lost. That the grapes he has are definitely sweeter than the ones he threw into the fire.
GAF and the media are blamed for this simply because they don't want to accept that Playtonic did it on their own, because they disagree that immigrants dilute gene pools, that blacks are inherently criminal, and were horrified at those comments enough to distance themselves from him before letting a game aimed somewhere around the child-teen area get released. It must be those SJWs, right? And the Frankfurt School teaming up with the Illuminati! They poisoned his heroes against him, using free speech no less!
His time in the game industry isn't completely over, I'm sure. He might get some VA work for one of the developers more friendly to his politics and his views on ethnic purity. But it will be just that. Political. A dev using him to gain access to his fans. And that's not going to be the same as working on a spiritual sequel to one of his favorite games from his childhood, is it? And considering one of Grant Kirkhope's latest tweets is laughing at somebody mocking the idea of Jon's newer fans "boycotting" the game, it's gotta feel pretty empty what he traded a future with his heroes for.
Strangely enough, I dont think hes beyond all hope. Even George Wallace repented for his decades of racism. But whats going to make that outcome take longer, if at all, is his demeanor during that stream. This wasnt him being angry at some dude cutting him off in traffic and letting an epithet slip out. That can be all of us, and its easy to let learned inhibitions slide in anger. No, Jon delivered his comment with clear eyes and calm voice, with the timbre and pace of studied repetition. That will take some hard thought or some extreme life event to undo, and I dont think Boogie, who styles himself the Troubled Youtube Star whisperer, can undo it with platitudes.
The last thing I posted about was.. what, one of Anita Sarkessian's videos? Man it feels like such a long time ago.
The wonderful thing about free speech is that it's a great tool for identifying people you'd rather not associate with.
JonTron used his free speech to give everybody his opinion on who should enter the American gene pool, and whether Mexicans are trying to take over California, one taco truck at a time, to reclaim the Atzlan, because that's rational.
People who heard it used their free speech to say he's woefully ignorant, a racist, and a possible eugenicist.
The makers of the game he was involved in used their free speech and freedom of association to NOT associate with JonTron.
Freedom at work!
But really, this was a long time coming to anybody paying attention at Playtonic. Anybody who followed Grant Kirkhope's Twitter knows he's left-leaning. Anti-Trump (had some choice words for him), Anti-Brexit, Pro-free immigration (no shit, considering video games are a global product and Rare in the good ol' days greatly benefitted from being able to hire from anywhere in Europe) I'd imagine most of Playtonic are left-leaning, as artists tend to be. But you really don't have to be some extreme liberal to reject JonTron's view of ethnic superiority.
What's really going to eat at Jon in the future, should he be introspective of his own role in this, isn't going to be the criticism he's getting from here or liberals in Twitter or the Mainstream Media boogeyman that's ruining his career. It's not going to be all of his old friends distancing themselves from him. If these are his deepest held beliefs, it's only natural for people to disagree to grow apart. What's going to eat at him is that his childhood heroes, the developers at Rare/Playtonic, Tim Schafer, Nintendo, etc. that made his favorite games, people he got to rub shoulders with and discuss game ideas with, maybe even the possibility to work with them on a game itself, will, most likely, permanently close their doors to him. He had a shot and he blew it. Oh sure he'll still have his subscribers and his twitter following, and he'll have to spend the rest of his time in the limelight convincing himself that it's better than what he's lost. That the grapes he has are definitely sweeter than the ones he threw into the fire.
GAF and the media are blamed for this simply because they don't want to accept that Playtonic did it on their own, because they disagree that immigrants dilute gene pools, that blacks are inherently criminal, and were horrified at those comments enough to distance themselves from him before letting a game aimed somewhere around the child-teen area get released. It must be those SJWs, right? And the Frankfurt School teaming up with the Illuminati! They poisoned his heroes against him, using free speech no less!
His time in the game industry isn't completely over, I'm sure. He might get some VA work for one of the developers more friendly to his politics and his views on ethnic purity. But it will be just that. Political. A dev using him to gain access to his fans. And that's not going to be the same as working on a spiritual sequel to one of his favorite games from his childhood, is it? And considering one of Grant Kirkhope's latest tweets is laughing at somebody mocking the idea of Jon's newer fans "boycotting" the game, it's gotta feel pretty empty what he traded a future with his heroes for.
Strangely enough, I dont think hes beyond all hope. Even George Wallace repented for his decades of racism. But whats going to make that outcome take longer, if at all, is his demeanor during that stream. This wasnt him being angry at some dude cutting him off in traffic and letting an epithet slip out. That can be all of us, and its easy to let learned inhibitions slide in anger. No, Jon delivered his comment with clear eyes and calm voice, with the timbre and pace of studied repetition. That will take some hard thought or some extreme life event to undo, and I dont think Boogie, who styles himself the Troubled Youtube Star whisperer, can undo it with platitudes.
MetalKnick
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World War II is back. Let's get those tags removed!!
AlexFlame116
Member
Crazy to see lots of banned GAFfers going to war with this site cause of this. Especially against certain people.
I'm not surprised at all. Try to stave off your feeling of disgust and put yourself in the mind of a Gamergater.
You had the chance to finally speak your mind and fight back against the liberals that have been controlling the media, the movement you were taking part in seemed so successful and powerful, then you ended up getting picked up by mainstream folks like The Colbert Report who inevitably condemned you. Suddenly you realize that the movement has failed; the mainstream will never see your group as legitimate no matter how you try. It's been irreparably tainted.
When something like this JonTron thing happens, it's a chance to start fresh. The same people as Gamergate, probably housed in a lot of the same places, but without the name. Without the stigma. This is another chance to claim that your culture is under attack from the liberals, and maybe this time people will finally believe you.
And of course you probably got yourself banned from GAF somewhere along the way. Maybe a few times.
Trust me, though this will die down, there's going to be another stupid incident and these insects will be crawling out of the woodwork again. They're always waiting for an opportunity to start things up again.
The Artisan
Member
i did not know a thing about this game prior but just judging off the genre and cover, i might be interested
Alex_Mexico
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Oh my God this is still going!?
I feel bad for Playtonic. They meant well by inviting a popular Youtuber and getting some free publicity but let this shitshow be a lesson for every developer out there. Think twice before endorsing a guy like this.
I feel bad for Playtonic. They meant well by inviting a popular Youtuber and getting some free publicity but let this shitshow be a lesson for every developer out there. Think twice before endorsing a guy like this.
John Kowalski
Banned
Wow now i have to say something real good to have some twitterverse bigot screencap my neogaf posts, the bar really is high these days
AlexFlame116
Member
"Hi Twitter! Having fun cherry picking our posts to make us seem like absolute losers with nothing better to do than ruin a poor YouTuber's life cause he said something that clearly wasn't racist but it was?"
Laevateinn
Member
Pretty bummed that I backed this one. Not just because of JT but this doesn't help.
If I was a developer I would be extremely hesitant to include any internet personalities in the development of my game in any fashion after this. This incident has established that any personalities could become a PR issue at the drop of a hat and that they will claim victimhood afterwards no matter the circumstances, blowing the issue up further. More than that, if you end up excluding them from the final release for any reason no matter how justified there will be a concerted effort by their fanbase, peers, and other groups to negatively affect the release and reception of your game. In the blink of an eye your heartwarming community outreach could backfire into the mess that Playtonic finds themselves in now, even though Playtonic's stance is so clearly justified.
If I were a developer all internet personalities would be considered damaged goods fit only for use as arms-length advertisement. They're all simply too unpredictable and ill disciplined and their fanbases too toxic to be trusted.
If I were a developer all internet personalities would be considered damaged goods fit only for use as arms-length advertisement. They're all simply too unpredictable and ill disciplined and their fanbases too toxic to be trusted.
100% accurate.
There are good YTers out there, but I'd be more hesitant about YTers associating with JonTron and defending him.
Wonderfully said. I hope he figures out one day what exactly he's done.
Gotta get that sweet sweet voat cred, man.
Of course there are, but the prohibitive thing about working with them is the unpredictability of determining exactly which ones are good and for how long. Signs foreshadowing this incident were there, but a lot of people were still very much blindsided by how quickly Clown Jokesman transformed into Gene Pool Jafari.
They don't even have to do something so horrible to potentially put a developer in a bad spot. Any minor incident, handled unprofessionally, could get their fanbase riled up. Associating with them just seems way too unpredictable when you have entire studios and multiple livelihoods hinging on an internet personality's ability to publicly handle controversy.
This incident solidified their volatility to me, but it's not the only one of its kind. The past year has been full of internet personalities doing questionable stuff, doubling down and exacerbating the situation, and intentionally or unintentionally getting their fanbase and other groups ready to march. Just saying for me personally the risk would not be worth it.
I wish people would stop hoisting Free Speech as if it's some kind of all encompassing immovable golden ideology.
It's just like a government accountability tool. That's it.
Out in the wild "free speech" doesn't mean jack.
But we've already talked this out. Over hundreds, thousands of years. We've worked out, with rationality and sense and mistakes at the global scale, that racism and exclusionism are damaging on multiple levels.
Arguing against and shutting those things down isn't some crime against "rationality" or debate. It's just a well trodden path and doesn't need to be indulged again. In fact, doing so risks opening cultural wounds that are still healing (see Trump win, Brexit vote, rise in hate crime, etc).
That said, you're not wrong about trying to empathise in any debate, that's always necessary and yes, plants the seeds.
It's just like a government accountability tool. That's it.
Out in the wild "free speech" doesn't mean jack.
But we've already talked this out. Over hundreds, thousands of years. We've worked out, with rationality and sense and mistakes at the global scale, that racism and exclusionism are damaging on multiple levels.
Arguing against and shutting those things down isn't some crime against "rationality" or debate. It's just a well trodden path and doesn't need to be indulged again. In fact, doing so risks opening cultural wounds that are still healing (see Trump win, Brexit vote, rise in hate crime, etc).
That said, you're not wrong about trying to empathise in any debate, that's always necessary and yes, plants the seeds.
Gotta keep in mind that neogaf is not representative of the general gaming population.
It's cool they removed Jon if they believe is the right thing to do, but nobody outside of the gaming enthusiasts and backers will probably know anything about this controversy ever.
They could have left him there and it wouldn't really matter that much. For every three pissed off gaffers saying "I'm not buying the game of Jon is in it" they will probably still get hundreds of sales.
I don't think including a cameo of a personality which turns out to be an asshole one month before the release of the game should affect the game negatively in any way, and gamers shouldn't boycott it because of this. It's not their fault.
It's cool they removed Jon if they believe is the right thing to do, but nobody outside of the gaming enthusiasts and backers will probably know anything about this controversy ever.
They could have left him there and it wouldn't really matter that much. For every three pissed off gaffers saying "I'm not buying the game of Jon is in it" they will probably still get hundreds of sales.
I don't think including a cameo of a personality which turns out to be an asshole one month before the release of the game should affect the game negatively in any way, and gamers shouldn't boycott it because of this. It's not their fault.
Nobody's saying it's their fault. If they were silent it would have been "fair enough, although that's disappointing" but instead they've dropped him so the noise is "good on them" (from the GAF vocal at least.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The moment people bring up Phrenology in a discussion is the moment you realize that they won't ever "get it".
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Just noticed that this has even infected the amazon reviews/questions. Be sure to go downvote it there as well.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
wasn't this the guy that basically said women being harassed have to defend themselves even if it's obvious people should help out or not do it in the first place, completely ignoring that women die over the word "no"
edit: yeah
some people just aren't worth the time
Imagine you have nothing better to do than tweet Slayven posts.
Cot damn
People do things all the time that may not "matter" in the context you're talking about, but they still do it.
Point being, they did it for their own personal reasons, and good on them for doing so. I'm sure the flow-on affect to their bottom line was the furthest from their minds when making the decision.
Cuck is short for cuckold, or someone whose spouse is cheating on them.
The use is a reference to MRA / anti-feminists who like to use the word to describe men that they feel aren't masculine enough in order to invalidate them on an emotional level.
Well, one, Playtonic obviously does believe removing Jontron is the right thing to do as they've done it, and two, fuck his racist ass. I have nothing but respect for Play after this, especially because it's true that some people (not saying names) would probably champion the game as some bastion of SJW free politics and an in-road to their bigotry in game development while putting down serious money. I have nothing but disdain for Jontron.
Cuck is short for cuckold, or someone whose spouse is cheating on them.
The use is a reference to MRA / anti-feminists who like to use the word to describe men that they feel aren't masculine enough in order to invalidate them on an emotional level.
Thanks for the explanation
Cuck is short for cuckold, or someone whose spouse is cheating on them.
The use is a reference to MRA / anti-feminists who like to use the word to describe men that they feel aren't masculine enough in order to invalidate them on an emotional level.
Cuck is meaning a lot these days. Urban Dictionary has a number of examples of its use. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Number 3 is especially important.
Or maybe Playtronic for their own piece of mind don't want to be associated with a racist.
The only thing you need to know is, anybody who uses that word unironically (outside of literal cuckold fetish porn talk) is not someone worth listening to.
This. The funny thing is Jon's talking points weren't even 'arguably' racist, they were just flat-out racist. This is the kind of shit I'd expect to hear from someone like Richard Spencer, not your average conservative.
So when people defend Jon and make all these bizarre arguments against the decision, I think it really says a helluva lot more about them than it says about Playtonic. Most companies would more than likely disassociate themselves from this nonsense regardless of their political leaning.
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