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[Vectorman]

That press conference worries me that they are gonna have another health care vote. I think that's thread worthy, but I am unable to make it at the moment.

Lol nah. They're trying to put up a brave face. The Freedom Caucus won and unless the rest of the GOP give into their demands, which they wouldn't pass in the Senate, that wouldn't happen.

 

[Maxim726X]

Lol nah. They're trying to put up a brave face. The Freedom Caucus won and unless the rest of the GOP give into their demands, which they wouldn't pass in the Senate, that wouldn't happen.

Right. People don't seem to realize that passing the House should have been a fucking given. The fact that it didn't make it through it beyond embarrassing.

But there is no way that it would pass the Senate if the changes necessary are made to placate the FC.

 

[super-heated plasma]

After that public failure, there is no way they could get enough votes on anything health care related before the reconciliation period ends.

sure sounds like they want to try.

 

[jimmypython]

And fucking Ryan still said no. What a son of a bitch.

the conspiracy theory: Trump threatened Ryan through the FOX TV program. The two met over the weekend and made the deal that Ryan gets to keep his job if he lets pass of the Russia probe specifically regarding Nunes.

 

[Thaedolus]

The American people can't do anything until the Democrats take control of the House/Senate/both in two years. Unless there's a miracle, we'll be suffocating in this lunacy.

Comey ain't having none of that

 

[Lord_Byron28]

The American people can't do anything until the Democrats take control of the House/Senate/both in two years. Unless there's a miracle, we'll be suffocating in this lunacy.

Unfortunately it may take 2 years to really beat it over a large portion of American's heads how incompetent and corrupt the Republican Party is.

However, I have faith that the IC is moving fast and will end this before the 2018 elections.

 

[x24hrs2livex]

the conspiracy theory: Trump threatened Ryan through the FOX TV program. The two met over the weekend and made the deal that Ryan gets to keep his job if he lets pass of the Russia probe specifically regarding Nunes.

That would be a terrible deal for Ryan. He didn't want the job to begin with. Plus at the rate shit is going Ryan could become president before there is time for the House to vote for a new speaker.

Spoiler

Not likely but I can dream

 

[gcubed]

sure sounds like they want to try.

Guys guys, look at this shiny thing over here, wouldn't you rather talk about that?

 

[Brandon F]

Comey ain't having none of that

I want to believe...

 

[super-heated plasma]

Guys guys, look at this shiny thing over here, wouldn't you rather talk about that?

They've already proven to be idiots with how fast they voted on the first bill. Don't out anything past them.

 

[Grym]

They've already proven to be idiots with how fast they voted on the first bill. Don't out anything past them.

He said a few times he isn't giving any timeline. These things take time. We want to do it right. etc.

It isn't happening before reconciliation. It is talk to try to lessen damage with the base and try to save face.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

They've already proven to be idiots with how fast they voted on the first bill. Don't out anything past them.

Yeah there's no way this could possibly happen before reconciliation because they STILL have to do taxes. They have a little more than two weeks. They fucked.

 

[super-heated plasma]

He said a few times he isn't giving any timeline. These things take time. We want to do it right. etc.

It isn't happening before reconciliation. It is talk to try to lessen damage with the base and try to save face.

When is that?

EDIT: saw above. thanks.

 

[gutter_trash]

a coverup can at times be more damning than the alleged crimes.

these guys are morons in legalese; they are digging a bigger incrimination grave

 

[EatinOlives]

And fucking Ryan still said no. What a son of a bitch.

Ryan is most likely the one who told Nunes to do what he did in the first place. He clearly wants to sabotage the investigation for as long as possible to stall for time.

 

[Grym]

When is that?

EDIT: saw above. thanks.

yeah I think Apr 15 is the date it would need to be through both the House and Senate and stay cost neutral. There just isn't time no matter how much Rs don't want their base to turn on them due to breaking their decade long promise of repeal/place

 

[Vectorman]

Ryan is most likely the one who told Nunes to do ebay he did in the first place. He clearly wants to sabotage the investigation for as long as possible to stall for time.

The problem for the GOP is, the more they stall, the more opportunities for failure continue to pop up in the House, the more protesters they will see at town halls, and the more calls for an proper investigation on this farce of a president will bring them to their knees. It's already happening and it will continue to trend that way.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Ryan is most likely the one who told Nunes to do what he did in the first place. He clearly wants to sabotage the investigation for as long as possible to stall for time.

Doubt it. Just knows he needs to tow the company line after his healthcare fuck up.

At this point I don't know why he wouldn't just WANT to lose his speaker spot. His presidential aspirations are dead and he risks becoming guilty by proximity in the court of public opinion if Trump goes down. The smartest thing he could do right now is to step down and distance himself from this administration.

 

[smokeymicpot]

: A 3/24 letter from DOJ to Sally Yates states she must get authorization from WH to testify about convos w/ WH, CBS News can confirm

 

[Surfinn]

: A 3/24 letter from DOJ to Sally Yates states she must get authorization from WH to testify about convos w/ WH, CBS News can confirm

Lol. And I'm assuming they never gave authorization?

 

[Staccat0]

I know this is annoying, but this is my daily reminder that there ARE elections in 2017 and we're gonna have to get better at voting and make an effort to rebuild government form the ground up to see any change. These guys are counting on us to continue to not vote. Don't wait till 2018 to start scaring them.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) on Tuesday told The Hill that House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) should "absolutely" recuse himself from his panel's investigation into Russia's meddling in last year’s election.

 

[Volimar]

House intel panel chief Nunes say he will not divulge his sources

U.S. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes said on Tuesday he will not divulge - even to other members of his panel - who gave him intelligence reports that indicated President Donald Trump and his associates may have been ensnared in incidental intelligence collection.

Asked by a Fox News reporter whether he would inform the other committee members about who gave him the reports he viewed on the White House grounds last week, Nunes said: "We will never reveal those sources and methods."

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Live_US_Politics

 

[Surfinn]

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Live_US_Politics

We?

 

[Matsukaze]

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Live_US_Politics

If there were ever any doubt that we are living in the Golden Age of Fuckery...

 

[super-heated plasma]

yeah I think Apr 15 is the date it would need to be through both the House and Senate and stay cost neutral. There just isn't time no matter how much Rs don't want their base to turn on them due to breaking their decade long promise of repeal/place

Bannon and Price are behind it according to CNN. I guess they want to force another vote and think they found a way to get the support.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

Source = Bannon's alcoholic rambling.

 

[BronsonLee]

Bannon and Price are behind it according to CNN. I guess they want to force another vote and think they found a way to get the support.

Or they want that shitlist

 

[Swass]

Bannon and Price are behind it according to CNN. I guess they want to force another vote and think they found a way to get the support.

Isn't Price about to lose his job in the Georgia special election..? This is probably a hail mary to save his butt.. I hope Georgia does the right thing here and ousts Price.. guy is crooked as they come and I hope he goes to jail for his insider trading.

 

[Phlebas]

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Live_US_Politics

We don't know who it is. Nunes got a text from the source last week, then jumped out of an Uber to go to meet the source at the nearest SCIF, which happened to be in the white house compound. A cleared person revealing classified information to another cleared person, who is a member of congress, using approved and secure means - that is the definition of whistle blower. It was /not/ a leak. Whoever it is, they have statutory protection status. And the media is asking Nunes to violate it.

 

[BlastProcessing]

From Ryan Lizza at the New Yorker: HOW THE WHITE HOUSE AND REPUBLICANS BLEW UP THE HOUSE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION

The evidence is now clear that the White House and Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, have worked together to halt what was previously billed as a sweeping investigation of Russian interference in last year’s election.

Last Monday morning, shortly before the start of the hearing, a senior White House official told me, “You’ll see the setting of the predicate. That’s the thing to watch today.” He suggested that I read a piece in The Hill about incidental collection. The article posited that if “Trump or his advisors were speaking directly to foreign individuals who were the target of U.S. spying during the election campaign, and the intelligence agencies recorded Trump by accident, it’s plausible that those communications would have been collected and shared amongst intelligence agencies.”

The White House clearly indicated to me that it knew Nunes would highlight this issue. “It’s backdoor surveillance where it’s not just incidental, it’s systematic,” the White House official said. “Watch Nunes today.”

Sure enough, at last Monday’s hearing, Nunes asked in his opening statement, “Were the communications of officials or associates of any campaign subject to any kind of improper surveillance?” He continued, “The Intelligence Community has extremely strict procedures for handling information pertaining to any U.S. citizens who are subject even to incidental surveillance, and this committee wants to insure all surveillance activities have followed all relevant laws, rules, and regulations.”

The best thing we have going for us right now, is the fact that the WH is staffed with Ham-handed hacks.

 

[CHC]

Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) on Tuesday told The Hill that House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) should "absolutely" recuse himself from his panel's investigation into Russia's meddling in last year’s election.

If Republicans are saying it, it's basically the only way it could ever conceivably happen. Sad that a letter next to the name is the only thing people will listen to, but that's where we're at.

 

[.JayZii]

WHAT!?

 

[Roland_Gunner]

sure sounds like they want to try.

John Cornyn, the Senate majority whip, will only support healthcare reform done outside of reconciliation, so 60 votes. Its dead, some people just don't want to admit it.

Erica Werner‏ @ericawerner 23h23 hours ago
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Cornyn says flatly that health care will not be attempted again via reconciliation. "It's clear it needs to be done on a bipartisan basis."

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/846487015331893248

 

[fredrancour]

Isn't Price about to lose his job in the Georgia special election..? This is probably a hail mary to save his butt.. I hope Georgia does the right thing here and ousts Price.. guy is crooked as they come and I hope he goes to jail for his insider trading.

i think the special election exists because price is in trump's cabinet now.

 

[pigeon]

We don't know who it is. Nunes got a text from the source last week, then jumped out of an Uber to go to meet the source at the nearest SCIF, which happened to be in the white house compound. A cleared person revealing classified information to another cleared person, who is a member of congress, using approved and secure means - that is the definition of whistle blower. It was /not/ a leak. Whoever it is, they have statutory protection status. And the media is asking Nunes to violate it.

This is nonsense. For one thing, if an intelligence community worker wanted to notify Congress, they could easily do it -- using the ICWPA. This person didn't do that.

At this moment there is no reason to believe that Nunes has any information at all.

 

[AlphaDump]

I am beyond pissed that this shit is still circulating the toilet bowl. Intel community needs to start punching really fucking hard. These guys dont play by the rules, take the gloves off already. God damn.

 

[Autoignition]

I am beyond pissed that this shit is still circulating the toilet bowl. Intel community needs to start punching really fucking hard. These guys dont play by the rules, take the gloves off already. God damn.

Without an actual smoking gun, I can see why they'd be hesitant. Anything that's even possible to be spun out into a perceived nothingburger by the GOP will severely undermine the IC's credibility -- something that Trump's been trying to do since before he was even sworn in. They need to have every single duck in a row, all t's crossed, every i dotted.

 

[super-heated plasma]

My real concern is the Justice Department. Even if the FBI finds all the evidence they need, it is up to the DOJ to make the decision to prosecute. I don't see Sessions or his cronies giving the OK.

 

[Surfinn]

My real concern is the Justice Department. Even if the FBI finds all the evidence they need, it is up to the DOJ to make the decision to prosecute. I don't see Sessions or his cronies giving the OK.

They will the the evidence is overwhelming. They don't care about Trump. It's party over all.

 

[chadskin]

We don't know who it is. Nunes got a text from the source last week, then jumped out of an Uber to go to meet the source at the nearest SCIF, which happened to be in the white house compound. A cleared person revealing classified information to another cleared person, who is a member of congress, using approved and secure means - that is the definition of whistle blower. It was /not/ a leak. Whoever it is, they have statutory protection status. And the media is asking Nunes to violate it.

Not how this went down. Nunes said he went to the White House grounds because that's the only place where he'd be able to review documents from the executive branch. A number of national security experts have basically said that's a bunch of malarkey, he could've reviewed these at facilities in the Congress.

Gloria Borger said on CNN yesterday the White House was 'in control' of the documents Nunes was reviewing. Other recent reports said the WH had been peddling these documents to the media in the past few weeks. All of which points to the White House's influence in this matter.

Besides, a whistleblower would not agree to a meeting on the White House grounds where they keep visitor logs and every non-WH staffer has to be cleared first before they are allowed in. So, either it's a WH staffer Nunes met with or someone the WH has cleared and would be aware of - or both.

In comes this CNN report:

One GOP source who has been briefed on what Nunes has seen said these conversations were "primarily among diplomats" and was "almost like the kind of trivia you would pick up" in gossipy conversations about "Trump and what he was doing" during the transition, such as "where he was having dinner."

Nunes' source, according to the Republican official, is "currently inside the intelligence community."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/trump-wiretap-intelligence-collection-nunes/

In other words, the White House hooked Nunes up with a source in the intelligence community to try to get favorable coverage on Trump's wiretap claims ("I feel somewhat vindicated") while distracting from the Russia investigation.

 

[Vectorman]

My real concern is the Justice Department. Even if the FBI finds all the evidence they need, it is up to the DOJ to make the decision to prosecute. I don't see Sessions or his cronies giving the OK.

But Sessions has recused himself, if he tried interfering now, people would ask about him again.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

My real concern is the Justice Department. Even if the FBI finds all the evidence they need, it is up to the DOJ to make the decision to prosecute. I don't see Sessions or his cronies giving the OK.

If enough gets out, they really won't have a choice.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I really don't get the sense that Nunes was ready for prime time here. And I mean that in two contexts:

1.) I don't think he has the credibility to run an impartial investigation of this much importance.

2.) It doesn't seem like he's the most well-versed person to cover up any subterfuge at play here to undermine a legitimate investigation.

No matter which angle you attack it from, it seems that he is floundering here.

 

[Chumley]

Without an actual smoking gun, I can see why they'd be hesitant. Anything that's even possible to be spun out into a perceived nothingburger by the GOP will severely undermine the IC's credibility -- something that Trump's been trying to do since before he was even sworn in. They need to have every single duck in a row, all t's crossed, every i dotted.

It would blow my mind if the FBI and intel community doesn't have a smoking gun. Trump and his campaign are all fucking morons, there is just no way there isn't something directly linking them to this absolutely suffocating amount of smoke.

I think they have something but are waiting to build an untouchable case.

 

[Autoignition]

It would blow my mind if the FBI and intel community doesn't have a smoking gun. Trump and his campaign are all fucking morons, there is just no way there isn't something directly linking them to this absolutely suffocating amount of smoke.

I think they have something but are waiting to build an untouchable case.

They might have smoking guns on Manafort or someone like him, but that doesn't directly implicate Trump. Without an actual recorded call of Donald Trump himself saying to someone in the Kremlin, "Yes, we're happy to work with you in order to win the election," the guns aren't as smoky as the IC may like.

 

[AlphaDump]

Without an actual smoking gun, I can see why they'd be hesitant. Anything that's even possible to be spun out into a perceived nothingburger by the GOP will severely undermine the IC's credibility -- something that Trump's been trying to do since before he was even sworn in. They need to have every single duck in a row, all t's crossed, every i dotted.

Thats exactly my point. The rule book only applies to the good because of evil mother fuckers obstructing. Fox News and other right wing media take it and just run with it.

The intel community has all these toys and all it takes is a few congressmen and media outlets to undermine them. It is blatant and insulting to this country.

 

[rambis]

My real concern is the Justice Department. Even if the FBI finds all the evidence they need, it is up to the DOJ to make the decision to prosecute. I don't see Sessions or his cronies giving the OK.

Sessions is recused and his Deputy is yet to be confirmed. The highest member of the DoJ as pertains to this case is Dana Boente, an Obama appointee.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Sessions is recused and his Deputy is yet to be confirmed. The highest member of the DoJ as pertains to this case is Dana Boente, an Obama appointee.

Any Trump appointed at this point should be recused.

 

[Swass]

i think the special election exists because price is in trump's cabinet now.

Yep, you are correct.. I should have done more research before posting..