phisheep
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UK set to trigger Brexit on March 29
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PdotMichael
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I remember there was an influx of junior members who celebrated Brexit and did all the right wing stuff. Not sure if they survived their first weeks here.
The likelihood they were also Russian plants is also very high.
Iirc he was banned for posting some fake xenophobic express thread
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
Anyway, Channel 4 news is especially depressing tonight. No, I frankly don't want to hear Brexiteers from Hull spout the same lies over and over again.
As an American, had to google:
what the FUCK is this abomination??!!!
If I saw that shit at the supermarket, not only would I vote 'leave', I'd jump in the channel and start pushing the island west.
Checkmate, atheists.
I hate to tell you this, but kind of the big thing here is that the UK suffering massive crisis no longer means the end of the western world.
Linkstrikesback
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Who needs a sat nav these days anyway? If you're in the market for one, you probably have a smartphone that can do it anyway.
So buying one gets you nothing you didn't already have except a burning hole in your wallet, gives money to foreigners and everyone that sees you using one will be a bit confused as to why you're so behind the times.
Actually maybe that's a product perfect for the leader of the brexiters.
So buying one gets you nothing you didn't already have except a burning hole in your wallet, gives money to foreigners and everyone that sees you using one will be a bit confused as to why you're so behind the times.
Actually maybe that's a product perfect for the leader of the brexiters.
Muffin1611
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Yup, he had the glorious idea for this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1347909 Caught himself a permaban.
This is depressing for me personally. I see very little to be optimistic about. Everything about this country and how it has lurched to the right in recent times will only get accelerated, and massively, thanks to Brexit. Human Rights laws are already under the cross hairs of these super right Tory types. Rewritten to suit them and their vested interests will be of no interest to any sane person or anyone with a net worth less than several million...
Obviously the absolutely draconian spying laws we now have will only worsen with absolutely no oversight as we've had for years now thanks to the EU. They will have absolute control now and with no end in sight to Tory rule (seriously what the fuck is going on England!?) it's looking genuinely bleak.
I only hope we can fight for Scottish independence, if we don't vote for that given everything we've seen then I honestly don't know how I'm going to feel. Possibly suicidal. I can't stand what the UK is becoming, i hate the place and it seems I hate half the people too.
Made the mistake of reading the comments this morning on the BBC article about Sturgeon calling a new referendum. Oh boy. The irrational hatred for Scotland having any kind of sovereignty was palpable, the absolute disrespect and frankly racist attitudes against Scotland was sickening and it was easily 95% or more of the comments I read. People who have no fucking clue.. Jockistan this, wee Krankie that, references to Nessie, deep fried Mars bars, low IQ and kilts. It was fucking disgraceful, if that's what this union feels for us then fuck it. If it ends up being a hostile break it won't be the Scottish government's fault.
Obviously the absolutely draconian spying laws we now have will only worsen with absolutely no oversight as we've had for years now thanks to the EU. They will have absolute control now and with no end in sight to Tory rule (seriously what the fuck is going on England!?) it's looking genuinely bleak.
I only hope we can fight for Scottish independence, if we don't vote for that given everything we've seen then I honestly don't know how I'm going to feel. Possibly suicidal. I can't stand what the UK is becoming, i hate the place and it seems I hate half the people too.
Made the mistake of reading the comments this morning on the BBC article about Sturgeon calling a new referendum. Oh boy. The irrational hatred for Scotland having any kind of sovereignty was palpable, the absolute disrespect and frankly racist attitudes against Scotland was sickening and it was easily 95% or more of the comments I read. People who have no fucking clue.. Jockistan this, wee Krankie that, references to Nessie, deep fried Mars bars, low IQ and kilts. It was fucking disgraceful, if that's what this union feels for us then fuck it. If it ends up being a hostile break it won't be the Scottish government's fault.
AHA-Lambda
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^^ It really does say alot that the general tone of the last independence referendum was more akin to "please, don't go" and no it's just plain hatred
PJV3
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The guardian are doing a tour of the UK that is miserable as fuck, Hastings today and the usual angry fisherman blaming the EU for fish not being extinct.
Audioboxer
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To be fair online comments are always full of trolls and some genuinely crazy people.
It doesn't help when every opposing party and the media, are whipping people into a frenzy to frame it like Sturgeon is a monster, and she just wants to take away our UK! The exact same tactics were used on immigrants and look at the responses (they're taking our jobs/NHS and British values!). Instead of some introspective looking at the genuine reasons for why many in Scotland are wanting to leave and/or wanting to escape Tory reign, it's right to nah, these people are some savage threat, time to name-call, shout, hurl shit and act vicious.
Quite a funny old position the lib dems, Labour, and yes, even Conservatives find themselves in North of the border. They have to talk down a country that wanted to stay in the EU, by being forceful about being... better together, with a country that voted to leave the EU. So already, there's gymnastics having to go on. Not to mention 2014 is still quite fresh in memories and people are memeing all the better together campaign stuff about saying no meaning staying in the EU. If you asked me some compassion and friendly disagreement would go aways to potentially calm some flames up here, but nah, Scottish Labour and Conservative and many of their followers are right to over 9000 in angst/desperation and fury to ram STAY IN THE UK AND LEAVE THE EU, UNITY! down everyones throats. We'll see how playing ball like this unravels.
Subway Diet
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Pretty much this.
The only people who are going to get anything good out of Brexit are the Tories as the are given free rein to run roughshod over the country and it's people indefinitely.
"May wants security, free trade, liberal values: just what we're throwing away"
I mean, at one point the average Englishman will think these Tory people might not be voting in their favor. Maybe I'm long dead at that point but it might happen.
Earthbound64
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Congrats to the UK, and best of luck with things.
If, after you extricate yourself from the EU, you decide you want to take one of your colonials from the US back, I'm ready whenever you want me
If, after you extricate yourself from the EU, you decide you want to take one of your colonials from the US back, I'm ready whenever you want me
i was being sarcastic
I can see the Torids being in power for another 15-20 years tbh. The media runs this country, and they're mostly right wing anyway. Shits going to get messy.
I know but it's disappointing so many of them are drawn to the BBC's site. The voices of reason were incredibly sparse, it was just a wall of ignorant bile. I only ever read Guardian comments and while there's a lot of the same nonsense the reasoned voices are definitely more balanced.
Then again I have seen the BBC's news coverage over the years and it really has become a biased pro union propaganda machine. The report from the Scottish journalist (Sarah Smith I think) basically stated that Sturgeon knew she would be rejected by May and so only did it to agitate. This gives a very cynical viewpoint and there was no attempt whatsoever to maybe posit the view that they were elected on a clear manifesto and the SNP might actually be doing what they think is best for the people and not just a cynical political move. It was so blatantly framed with absolutely no credence given to their actual democratic mandate. The SNP always come off as some dictatorial entity holding Scots hostage and they always conveniently forget to really make clear how strong their elected mandate is. Fucking annoys me lol.
Hahahahahaha...hahahaha
Indeed. There is no opposition save the devolved govts to varying degrees and there is no sign of this changing before I'm touching 50.
Sorry, post-Brexit I can no longer identify dry British wit.
Pancake Mix
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Why is everyone in this thread assuming most ordinary Scots want to leave? The polls have indicated no such change towards NationalistGAF. Is it perhaps because this forum leans disproportionately male (and thus more likely to support independence: Exhibit A, Exhibit B) rather than female and more pro-United Kingdom?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_second_Scottish_independence_referendum#Opinion_polling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_second_Scottish_independence_referendum#Opinion_polling
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Sorry to pick up just the one point in this, but it irritates me when Tory hegemony is brought up as an argument in either Brexit or Scottish independence. The Tory thing is temporary, and largely as a result of the absence of credible opposition. The Brexit/Scottish independence has much longer term impacts, and they are not at all the same thing. Over the next hundred years it will probably not matter a damn whether it was Tories in power now, but it will matter a lot who leaves whom.
Otherwise I am generally in agreement with you.
Unknown Soldier
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If the UK didn't realize how economically unimportant they were already yet, this is how the US markets have reacted to Brexit being triggered:
https://www.google.com/finance?q=IN...X,INDEXNASDAQ:.IXIC&ei=1QjcWOnoM8L3jAG_2ZvwAQ
In case you don't want to look at the graphs:
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https://www.google.com/finance?q=IN...X,INDEXNASDAQ:.IXIC&ei=1QjcWOnoM8L3jAG_2ZvwAQ
In case you don't want to look at the graphs:
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AHA-Lambda
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Why is everyone in this thread assuming most ordinary Scots want to leave? The polls have indicated no such change towards NationalistGAF. Is it perhaps because this forum leans disproportionately male (and thus more likely to support independence: Exhibit A, Exhibit B) rather than female and more pro-United Kingdom?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_second_Scottish_independence_referendum#Opinion_polling
Unless I'm not seeing it that page seems to be missing one of the latest polls that put support at 50/50
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15146365.50_50__Half_of_Scots_now_ready_to_vote_Yes/
I love that the BBC's chief Scottish football columnist is called . . . Tom English.
Pancake Mix
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No it doesn't lack it at all.
That survey is listed in that chart, and it's the green outlier (1 percent lead for leave) with 6 percent of respondents undecided. The other polls show Scots leaning the other way, to remain a United Kingdom.
AHA-Lambda
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ah right, my mistake then
And he's Irish.
I love Hastings, but it's the only place I've witnessed with my own eyes someone being turned down for a job application form (yes, the form, not the job) because they spoke with a foreign accent. They were told that they were in England, so speaking English was very important.
It was a fucking cafe with a job sign in the window for part-time waiting staff.
I'm still mad at myself for not interrupting and walking out, just so the job applicant knew that not everyone there was a piece of shit, but I was sitting eating my food at the time and I still had to pay for it before I left. I regret it every time I think about it. Fucking British politeness for you.
No one cares about a referendum 'tomorrow', which is what a lot of those surveys ask about.
The Brexit shit has only just been launched towards the fan. Asking that question in 18-24 months when we know what 'deal' has been struck and it may (or may not) produce different results. People are predicting that the opinion THEN will be different, not NOW when all we have is newspaper headlines.
Earthbound64
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You could have tried actually checking out GAF
41% For independence
36% Opposed to independence
22% Undecided
Napoleonthechimp
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May will forever be the PM that put a gun to the UK's head and pulled the trigger.
To hell with the country of my birth. The EU was the only shining light in this dim little place.
May talks of unity but never again will this country come together. The divisions are now set and the divisions too deep. What people thought the UK was is now done. And good riddance to it.
To hell with the country of my birth. The EU was the only shining light in this dim little place.
May talks of unity but never again will this country come together. The divisions are now set and the divisions too deep. What people thought the UK was is now done. And good riddance to it.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Yeah, this stuff happens all over. Surnames, originally nicknames, are used to distinguish people. So nearly nobody in England would be called English, but emigrants would be. e.g. Mike England, Wales footballer.
Similarly, there's plenty of people called Welch or Walsh in England but nearly none in Wales.
kmag said:
There you go then.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Need a detective story here. I think Cameron pointed the gun, Farage & Johnson loaded it, the voting public pulled the trigger, all of us took the bullet and May has to pick up the pieces.
Yuk.
But you know, there's a lot of it that May can't really be blamed for. Not yet anyhow.
Pancake Mix
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But I'd like to add, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion as a Scotsman and there will be a vote (though not necessarily exactly when the SNP would most prefer it). That is Scotland's right as a country, I just hope that a majority of your countrymen wish to remain with the UK. Things will get better, and the Tories wouldn't dare impose any serious austerity on Scotland anymore. It's entirely your choice, but Brexit is not meant to be a move to spite you. It's a stupid move, but in the long run there's still solid hope for a good economy. Also, the Scottish Tories are on the rise and less...grating than the Westminster Tories, while Scottish Labour and the Scottish Lib Dems won't always be in decline.
And as grating as they are the Tories really, really, really, really, really, really really do not want you to go and have essentially resigned themselves to even further devolution in the Brexit letter. Call them English (and Welsh) nationalists if you want, but their commitment is sincere. Labour was always sincere about devolution and powers for Scotland (with some things remaining centralised) as well. It's not all bad, and the Westminster Tories won't be there forever, it'll ebb and flow with the tide.
Unknown Soldier
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Who are you talking to?Why is everyone in this thread assuming most ordinary Scots want to leave? The polls have indicated no such change towards NationalistGAF. Is it perhaps because this forum leans disproportionately male (and thus more likely to support independence: Exhibit A, Exhibit B) rather than female and more pro-United Kingdom?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_second_Scottish_independence_referendum#Opinion_polling
Cameron gets 99% of the blame from me. Atleast up until now. The result has now been acted upon, everything after this is May's fault.
No doubt the EU and the scary 'remoaners' will actually get the blame from the media though.
I have no idea how anyone can be as defensive of this ridiculous 'U'K as you manage to be. The only path with any likely positive outcome left is the one that utterly humbles the Little England contingent. This hodgepodge state is a welcome sacrifice to that end.
Pancake Mix
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Good thing not everyone thinks about things as negatively as you do!
I'm sorry but I'm tired of this attitude that Scotland should just accept that it essentially continuously gets governments it did not want and should be happy with that. When the clear "will of the people" isn't just slightly different, it's diametrically opposed to the Tories and what they stand for (New Labour crap too). Why should we forever get governments that don't begin to represent the world that we wish for? Twaddle.
As for things not looking so bad and the Tories actually will be nice to us.. hahaha, the contempt has been unleashed in recent times and if you believe that you're deluded.
Polls are worthless. We think common sense will prevail.
As a cabinet member that was (publicly) campaigning for Remain, she could, and possibly should, have stepped aside with little fuss and no one would have thought anything of it.
She knew it was a poisoned chalice (to continue mixing metaphors) before she ever picked it up. Anything she does as PM, such as ignoring Scotland to the point where a second referendum feels sensible and not the SNP pulling the piss, is on her and not Cameron.
Art 50 would happen with or without her. That's why I think blame should still be given to callmedave until it was triggered.
Edit also as loathsome as she is, she is still infinitely preferable to Boris or Gove.
Pancake Mix
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New Labour (1997-2010) won every single Westminster election handily in Scotland, so don't tell me that the Scottish people don't ever get what they want when you really mean you don't get what you want. The will of the people was pretty crystal there, just like the will of the people was pretty clear in 2014 as well, you just didn't get what you want.
About "contempt", rags don't speak for anyone. Don't conflate what rags say and the fact it would destroy the party not to deliver on a 51.9% mandate with any contempt for Scotland.
Common sense is not leaving your largest market. The UK as a whole is doing that, but Scotland leaving would be its own moment just like that.
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