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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM

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RedSparrows

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I KNOW I SHOULDN'T, BUT

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39501876

Comment (one of many deriding the EU for being gangsters, frauds, etc):

This sums up the EU for me. The only directly elected part of the EU infrastructure will have no say in the negotiating process beyond being asked to approve the final agreement. Instead a bunch of unaccountable political appointees will decide the position for 450 million people without any consultation. Pseudo democracy at its best.
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Uh. Wait a second. Does 'parliamentary oversight' ring a bell? And your fellow Brexiters were SCREAMING about even that.
 
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jelly

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I liked the Dutch MEP saying Brexit vote happened because of a cat fight in the Conservative party and Brexit is just stupid. Frustratingly hitting the nail on the head.
 
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KingSnake

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RedSparrows said:
I KNOW I SHOULDN'T, BUT

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39501876

Comment (one of many deriding the EU for being gangsters, frauds, etc):



Uh. Wait a second. Does 'parliamentary oversight' ring a bell? And your fellow Brexiters were SCREAMING about even that.
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That comment is plain wrong and utterly uninformed. The whole discussion with Wallonia and Canada's trade deal happened very recent. On what world are these people living?

Actually UK might have had a better luck if the decision was only up to the "unelected bureaucrats".
 
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RedSparrows

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KingSnake said:
That comment is plain wrong and utterly uninformed. The whole discussion with Wallonia and Canada's trade deal happened very recent. On what world are these people living?

Actually UK might have had a better luck if the decision was only up to the "unelected bureaucrats".
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Brexit is managed in large part by civil servants. But only the EU are that 'undemocratic'!
 
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daviyoung

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tuxfool said:
What is ‘global Britain’? A financier and arms merchant to brutal dictators

ouch
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That is such a doomsday article but it's spot on if Britain becomes a tax haven playground.

A service economy for the corrupt super rich has no need of well paid and fulfilling employment, or a healthy and educated workforce. It needs cleaners and baristas, and call centre operatives and fast food workers. It needs them to be cheap and plentiful. Everyone else will have to survive on jingoism and blaming migrants for their problems.
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Depressing.
 
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daviyoung

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CyclopsRock said:
I don't see why businesses that are currently doing well in the UK would suddenly cease to do so under a low-tax regime?

Edit: By which I mean ones that aren't coffee shops and call centres.
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If they carry on doing well and are British businesses then maybe. Otherwise current business may move their operations and new businesses may or may not take their place. If they're foreign businesses they might find it more effective to bring in their own talent. And our consumer driven market may find it highly agreeable to bring in rich foreign shoppers. Regardless, your point relies on upholding the status quo which is no way to grow the economy especially now we're out of there.
 
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chadskin

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The view from Berlin: http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-brexit-reaction-so-what-berlin-indifferent-to-london/

High-ranking German politicians believe Westminster has overestimated its negotiation position in the upcoming talks. “They pretend to hold jokers in their hands,” said a government official on condition of anonymity. “This doesn’t seem very plausible, considering they already have to play the terrorism card.”
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“On the idea that German business might soften the German government’s stance: You can cross that off your list,” is how a German diplomat put it.
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“The Brits have the best diplomatic corps in the world,” said a member of the German parliament. “Most of what they do is come in, smile and act friendly. But they don’t say anything of substance.”
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“They draw triangles on the wall and speak about a ‘hard Brexit’ and a ‘soft Brexit,’” said a German business representative, “But they don’t really seem to know what they’re doing.”
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On Tuesday, Prime Minister May insisted in an interview with Sky News that the U.K. can strike the basis for a deal with the EU within two years, despite warnings from European leaders that the timescale may be too tight.

“May is, once again, raising vast expectations,” said one German official, on condition of anonymity. “The Brits are essentially changing their mind every day,” he added.
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In Germany, 95 percent of the population support further European integration, and Germans have been flabbergasted that the Brits would vote to leave the union.
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... and a sober take from a Labour MP:
“When you’re doing a negotiation … you also have to understand the priorities of your partners, and I’m afraid we’ve got a collective failure to do that at the moment,” said Liz Kendall, a British Labour MP, who visited Berlin last month to meet with German government officials.

“Brexit actually isn’t a massive priority for [the Germans],” she added. “We, here, are understandably and rightly obsessing about it. But it’s not the thing that’s top of their agenda. The world doesn’t revolve around us.”
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CTLance

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politico article said:
“The Brits have the best diplomatic corps in the world,” said a member of the German parliament. “Most of what they do is come in, smile and act friendly. But they don’t say anything of substance.”
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So talk at length, but say very little? I dunno. I always thought diplomacy was a bit more nuanced than that.

But what do I know. Sounds terrifying in its own way, admittedly. "Yes yes we will agree to everything, just stop wasting our time, you charismatic bastards! We've been having meetings for six months now, and we can't even get you to admit to your own names! Just be glad you're so fun to be around, or we would've had a pretense to avoid all of this hassle! Curse you...! ...looking forward to next Friday for the followup meeting."
 
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kmag

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TeamLeftMatch said:
My parents were watching sky news and I see Treasea May start , saying something like "the labour party are exceptional at wasting your money and raising taxes" then she starts insulting the other parties and calls the SNP "nationalistic"
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Nationalist what other nationalist politicians call politicians who's view of nationalism differs from theirs.
 
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tuxfool

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Handy chart of where each member stands:

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http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx...=Forecast&subsubtopic=International+relations
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TimmmV

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D4Danger said:
The UK is Germany's third largest export market behind the US and France but they don't care about brexit? Sure, I believe that.
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Of course they care, they just have other priorities that they consider more important, read the article.

Brexit may have some limited economic impact on Germany, but the consequences for the U.K. could be far more devastating. And Berlin is sticking to its hard line that doing what it thinks is needed to keep the EU from disintegrating is far more important to its long-term interests than anything it might gain economically by bending to British pressure on trade.
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kmag

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TimmmV said:
Of course they care, they just have other priorities that they consider more important, read the article.
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Brexit may have some limited economic impact on Germany, but the consequences for the U.K. could be far more devastating. And Berlin is sticking to its hard line that doing what it thinks is needed to keep the EU from disintegrating is far more important to its long-term interests than anything it might gain economically by bending to British pressure on trade.
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Which is what many of us have been saying all along. The realpolitik of the situation is that the majority of EU members are willing to take a sub-optimal deal with the UK to preserve the continuity of the single market and EU institutions. If that hurts us (the UK), it's not like we weren't warned. We just chose to believe the simple myth that they need us more than we need them, something, something BMW.
 
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Joni

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Can't say I'm surprised about a country like Belgium being full of hardliners on Brexit. It will hurt us a lot, but that is simply how much we hate Farage.

DarthMasta said:
After seeing a talk with Michael Dougan (Irish professor, specialist on EU law https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGzSGPsFHfE), and realizing just how much treaty reform has been kept back by Britain, just GTFO.

Not that I think that'll mean a better EU, just the possibility for one. Chances are it'll still be screwed someway, humans being what we are...
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That is the biggest hope.
 
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Frankfurter

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On the part about Brexit just not being a that topic over here: it's absolutely true. I read the news every day on a couple of websites and Brexit news are on there maybe once a week and quite a significant amount is about outrageous claims or stupid stuff (or both) coming from the UK.
The second issue is that the UK really has no allies over here when it comes to Brexit. Both the coalition and the opposition share pretty much the same view how Brexit needs to be done. Businesses are more concerned about the (remaining) single market than about the UK, which means that they'd rather favor a (very) hard Brexit than possibly endangering the single market.
 
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oti

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Frankfurter said:
On the part about Brexit just not being a that topic over here: it's absolutely true. I read the news every day on a couple of websites and Brexit news are on there maybe once a week and quite a significant amount is about outrageous claims or stupid stuff (or both) coming from the UK.
The second issue is that the UK really has no allies over here when it comes to Brexit. Both the coalition and the opposition share pretty much the same view how Brexit needs to be done. Businesses are more concerned about the (remaining) single market than about the UK, which means that they'd rather favor a (very) hard Brexit than possibly endangering the single market.
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The notion the German car industry would lobby for a soft Brexit was always hilarious. The German government and the German car industry stick together.
 
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Lucreto

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Mr. Sam said:
Look, do you guys want to buy cake or not? Because I don't quite think you grasp what's at stake here.
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If my local bakery is anything to go by it has lots of European workers making cakes. They can take what they learnt and set up shop in Europe. No need for English cakes anymore.
 
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CassSept

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DarthMasta said:
How is Poland lowest? Or are voters in Poland still not aware that "Britain" doesn't exactly want them around?
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Well, they're not going to deport us

You'd be surprised at how oblivious people are. A major part of the campaign was based on hate against poles and yet many right wing/nationalist poles cheered that UK is taking a hard stance against UE and will deport brown people. The denial is insane.
 
Alx

Alx

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Can't they at least add a tilde on the n ? The spelling is annoying me even more than the headline itself...
 
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