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DC Extended Universe |OT3| A League of Academy Award Winners
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I think he's just talking from his personal enjoyment factor. While I haven;t seen WW. I don't think you can compare the two movies. Logan is not something I can watch repeatedly. From what I've seen so far of WW. I possibly can.
I am truly quite happy right about now. I managed to watch the Ultimate Cut of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice for the first time, and thought it was really good, part of it because I understood it better than the first time I watched the Theatrical Cut at the premiere in the cinema. That said, I am still left with some questions, that I hope you can help clarify for me.
01) The Nairomi disaster was a setup by Lex Luther to make it look like Superman slaughtered and burned this town and its innocent people. Seen from the citizens and the senate's perspective, is this supposed to look like Superman cares more about his one love, than the innocent families and town he burned down? Or is it supposed to look like a battle between Superman and mercenaries, where he saves his love instead of the other innocent people?
02) Why do Lex hate larger-than-life beings like Superman and Batman in the first place? Because they get to decide and have more to say than humans, and he wants to be above them? Or not necesarrily because he wants to be above them, but because he thinks it's wrong that the superheroes get to have so much power?
03) Did Bruce Wayne's research lead him to scan the databases underneath the library which led him to the Russian? Or did it connect the Russian with Lex Corp?
04) The Flash sequence is a dream in his dream, or was that a true vision of Flash telling him about Lois being the key to the battle against Doomsday?
05) So Bruce wants the Kryptonian rock to take down Superman, but why don't he just help out Lex Luthor knowing he has the same goal?
06) Is Batman branding the criminals to lure Superman out (because Superman doesn't feel being judge, jury and executioner is just?)
07) I didn't get the whole Granny's Peach Tea glass scene that makes the senator uneasy? She knows it's Lex, and he's not there, is she thinking something's not right because he's been there with the glass and is now absent?
08) If the data from the databases at the library has these files about the metahumans, does the government know about them already?
09) Was it really that simple to create Doomsday? Mixing human blood with General Zod's blood?
10) Why did Superman fight Batman instead of just explaining Lex's plot and his mother being kidnapped?
I guess that's about it for now. If I can get to learn these answers I would like to rewatch the Ultimate Cut again afterward, so that I can understand it all better, before heading into Wonder Woman this May 31. Thank you.
PS: I'm not really well-versed in the DC universe but who is this? Steppenwolf?
01) The Nairomi disaster was a setup by Lex Luther to make it look like Superman slaughtered and burned this town and its innocent people. Seen from the citizens and the senate's perspective, is this supposed to look like Superman cares more about his one love, than the innocent families and town he burned down? Or is it supposed to look like a battle between Superman and mercenaries, where he saves his love instead of the other innocent people?
02) Why do Lex hate larger-than-life beings like Superman and Batman in the first place? Because they get to decide and have more to say than humans, and he wants to be above them? Or not necesarrily because he wants to be above them, but because he thinks it's wrong that the superheroes get to have so much power?
03) Did Bruce Wayne's research lead him to scan the databases underneath the library which led him to the Russian? Or did it connect the Russian with Lex Corp?
04) The Flash sequence is a dream in his dream, or was that a true vision of Flash telling him about Lois being the key to the battle against Doomsday?
05) So Bruce wants the Kryptonian rock to take down Superman, but why don't he just help out Lex Luthor knowing he has the same goal?
06) Is Batman branding the criminals to lure Superman out (because Superman doesn't feel being judge, jury and executioner is just?)
07) I didn't get the whole Granny's Peach Tea glass scene that makes the senator uneasy? She knows it's Lex, and he's not there, is she thinking something's not right because he's been there with the glass and is now absent?
08) If the data from the databases at the library has these files about the metahumans, does the government know about them already?
09) Was it really that simple to create Doomsday? Mixing human blood with General Zod's blood?
10) Why did Superman fight Batman instead of just explaining Lex's plot and his mother being kidnapped?
I guess that's about it for now. If I can get to learn these answers I would like to rewatch the Ultimate Cut again afterward, so that I can understand it all better, before heading into Wonder Woman this May 31. Thank you.
PS: I'm not really well-versed in the DC universe but who is this? Steppenwolf?
Smokey_Run
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Others might have different interpretations of the events, but here's some of my answers to some of the questions.
1) I think it's meant to serve as an international crisis to pressure the US government to further invest in Lex and his anti-Superman agenda. He uses it to gain access to the ship and Zod's body for testing.
2) His father was seen as a larger than life persona in the public's eyes and he abused him.
3) The library is Lex's house. He's the one hosting the event gala. Bruce talks about needing to break into Lex's house when Alfred tells him it won't be necessary because he's already been invited to the event. He figures out the Russian which leads him to Lex.
5) I assume it was a personal issue due to losing members of Wayne Enterprises and doesn't care to work with Lex.
6) Batman is branding criminals involved in abuse cases and trafficking. So many miss it, but it's a recent development in the past 18 months. Alfred states he's been playing by new rules since Superman showed up. However, Lex is ordering their deaths.
7) Lex makes a remark about pissing in a jar and calling it Grandma's Peach Tea in a previous conversation with the Senator. It's a "Gotcha!" moment.
8) Again, that was Lex's home. It's unknown if the government is aware of them, but probably.
10) He tried after he lands in front of the traps, but Batman just didn't care.
Didn't really have anything for 4 and 9.
1) I think it's meant to serve as an international crisis to pressure the US government to further invest in Lex and his anti-Superman agenda. He uses it to gain access to the ship and Zod's body for testing.
2) His father was seen as a larger than life persona in the public's eyes and he abused him.
3) The library is Lex's house. He's the one hosting the event gala. Bruce talks about needing to break into Lex's house when Alfred tells him it won't be necessary because he's already been invited to the event. He figures out the Russian which leads him to Lex.
5) I assume it was a personal issue due to losing members of Wayne Enterprises and doesn't care to work with Lex.
6) Batman is branding criminals involved in abuse cases and trafficking. So many miss it, but it's a recent development in the past 18 months. Alfred states he's been playing by new rules since Superman showed up. However, Lex is ordering their deaths.
7) Lex makes a remark about pissing in a jar and calling it Grandma's Peach Tea in a previous conversation with the Senator. It's a "Gotcha!" moment.
8) Again, that was Lex's home. It's unknown if the government is aware of them, but probably.
10) He tried after he lands in front of the traps, but Batman just didn't care.
Didn't really have anything for 4 and 9.
1) it's more about reinforcing the idea that death surrounds Superman in anything he does. This is true of the Senate blast as well. Anywhere Superman goes, death follows, Luthor is inspiring distrust and casting doubt on Superman.I am truly quite happy right about now. I managed to watch the Ultimate Cut of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice for the first time, and thought it was really good, part of it because I understood it better than the first time I watched the Theatrical Cut at the premiere in the cinema. That said, I am still left with some questions, that I hope you can help clarify for me.
01) The Nairomi disaster was a setup by Lex Luther to make it look like Superman slaughtered and burned this town and its innocent people. Seen from the citizens and the senate's perspective, is this supposed to look like Superman cares more about his one love, than the innocent families and town he burned down? Or is it supposed to look like a battle between Superman and mercenaries, where he saves his love instead of the other innocent people?
02) Why do Lex hate larger-than-life beings like Superman and Batman in the first place? Because they get to decide and have more to say than humans, and he wants to be above them?
03) Did Bruce Wayne's research lead him to scan the databases underneath the library which led him to the Russian? Or did it connect the Russian with Lex Corp?
04) The Flash sequence is a dream in his dream, or was that a true vision of Flash telling him about Lois being the key to the battle against Doomsday?
05) So Bruce wants the Kryptonian rock to take down Superman, but why don't he just help out Lex Luthor knowing he has the same goal?
06) Is Batman branding the criminals to lure Superman out (because Superman doesn't feel being judge, jury and executioner is just?)
07) I didn't get the whole Granny's Peach Tea glass scene that makes the senator uneasy? She knows it's Lex, and he's not there, is she thinking something's not right because he's been there with the glass and is now absent?
08) If the data from the databases at the library has these files about the metahumans, does the government know about them already?
09) Was it really that simple to create Doomsday? Mixing human blood with General Zod's blood?
10) Why did Superman fight Batman instead of just explaining Lex's plot and his mother being kidnapped?
I guess that's about it for now. If I can get to learn these answers I would like to rewatch the Ultimate Cut again afterward, so that I can understand it all better, before heading into Wonder Woman this May 31. Thank you.
2) Throughout the film you see that Lex is a person who sees his power is in knowledge. Superman is an affront to this idea to him. Luther wants to tear Superman down because his very existence is a denial to his own feelings of self importance and superiority.
3) Connected the Russian to lexcorp iirc
4) It's basically a setup for Justice League while also acting as a sort of fever dream of Bruce's. The face into the dream is the sound of world engine, tying into Bruce's trauma from the events in Metropolis shaping his fear of Superman.
5) I don't think he knows that. All he knows is that perform is in possession of it.
6) No. He's genuinely falling further down a hole of cruelty and ruthlessness.
7) It's a taunt from lex. Basically telling her "fuck you
"8) That database is Lexcorps not the government's, but it's implied there is some idea of metahumans possibly existing among government officials.
9) Well, the process has more to do with the equipment on the ship.
10) Clark has had this idea reinforced into him that Batman cant be reasoned with with words, that only violence will stop him, that hes become increasingly unhinged. Clark comes in trying to talk and is than immediately attacked, so yeah, he realizes he needs to physically restrain him.
It's supposed to make Superman appear reckless and having no value for human lives. His relationship with Lois is largely unknown by the general public. Though key figures who do know of it would obviously see it the way you describe. Win/win for Lex.
He doesn't care so much about Batman. With Superman Lex's problem is sort of two-fold. The savior label Lex feels is unfair because there was no savior for Lex when he was being abused by his father growing up. The other is that Superman did not earn his power. It was just given to him while Lex has had to work his whole life to crawl out from underneath his father's shadow.
He stole that data from the Russian and connected the Russian to Lexcorp.
An actual glimpse of the future where Lois dies. The champion theory is that Batman follows through with killing Superman. Lex brings forth Doomsday and Lois dies retrieving the kryptonite spear (because Superman was killed and did not hear her drowning). When Superman eventually regains life he blames Batman for her death and his anger is manipulated by Darkseid and they join forces.
He doesn't know that Lex is trying to kill Superman. He doesn't find that out until after he fights Superman.
No. Batman only brands the worst of the worst he comes across. This was mentioned in some early material before the movie was released.
It was Lex's way of asserting his dominance. She originally scoffed at him saying "You can piss in a jar and call it Granny's Peach Tea but I'm not going to drink it." And remember she just learned that Lex set up the incident in Africa that got a bunch of people killed. In that moment she realized she was about to die.
They know. Amanda Waller has files on the metahumans in Suicide Squad. There was also mention of metahuman files in the prequel comics to BvS.
The ship did most of the work. Advanced alien tech. You just kinda have to roll with it.
Movie logic. If Superman explains what's happening then they probably won't fight. It's stupid. It's always been stupid when they fight in the comics. It will always be stupid.
The official answer is... Superman tried but Batman didn't care because he was blinded with rage.
I guess that's about it for now. If I can get to learn these answers I would like to rewatch the Ultimate Cut again afterward, so that I can understand it all better, before heading into Wonder Woman this May 31. Thank you.
Hope I helped.
GringoSuave89
Banned
Yup, though only the UE made that apparent. Damn the theatrical cut sucked...
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Lex also killed Mercy Graves! Damn him all to hell!
What did he mean by this?
Member
You know just because something is cut from UE, doesn't mean it exists in the TC. That's a real fallacy of thinking
Wait what?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
uhhhhhh......
GringoSuave89
Banned
I'm proud you know big words, but next time try using them in a statement that makes sense. Far more impressive that way.
This doesnt make any sense son.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
I said it again and again, Patty did not shoot those slo mo action scenes just because.
Where's this idea that he 'helped with the action' coming from? Obviously as a producer and director of the early films he has established a certain aesthetic for the franchise, just like with the Marvel movies, but Jenkins has talked at length about how she wants the action scenes to feel, her vision for them - some of you are acting like he actively assisted her on stage.
Glass Rebel
Member
Some people have created this narrative that if WW turns out bad Snyder will be blamed and if it turns out to be good he won't get the credit he supposedly deserves. All while not realizing that we basically have no idea what he did for the movie aside from producing and a general story credit. It has become like a sickness so it's better just to ignore it.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Just freaking read this thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1334822
There are plenty of posts that would blame this on Snyder no matter what. Stop creating a narrative that people are creating a narravitve. In the end it's just baseless and a useless discussion. However, it exists and is not made up.
N7Commander95
Member
That's not 100% true, he also casted Gal Gadot, which according to reviews was a great thing.
But Honestly, Im not really living for this constant bringing up of Snyder by people who dislike him and support him. Its not something that can be painted as the actions of 'snyderites', cause a number of critics are doing it as well. This is Patty's work, I wish everyone would just focus on her and her team. That's its.
Glass Rebel
Member
Kenzodielocke
Banned
What is so funny, enlighten me.
Discotheque
Banned
Let's not fight in this thread. I think mcu movies usually ain't shit. There are a few good ones tho. And dcu ain't shit so far either....BUT I fuck with what snyder is doing
Love to glass rebel and all the other mcu dudes who dare venture in here. No fighting. Peace and love. It's only movies
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I am not fighting, I just want to know what's so funny. Please don't assume I engage in fanboy wars, especially when this universe so far has been a letdown for me.
Glass Rebel
Member
A few mentions of Snyder and about as many defending him in thread with hundreds of posts just to satiate your confirmation bias. It's super annoying that Snyder fans have started to stir up shit preemptively instead of just letting the damn movie stand on its own.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Sure, I can understand where you are coming from, and I also said that this is a baseless and useless discussion. I was just trying to make a point that blaming Snyder on this board is no rarity. No defending Snyder here, just pointing out.
And yes, this is all Patty and she deserves the credit, no matter how it turns out.
Edit: One point I'd like to add. I don't think there are any Snyder extreme fans in this community, most of us using Snyder ironically and are aware of his flaws.
Glass Rebel
Member
I'll be there day one for Reeves Batman with you, breh. 🌚🙏🏼🌝
N7Commander95
Member
I think this is completely true, and it always makes me laugh when people in the OT imply that we are all like some sort of Synder loving cultists who unequivocally love every movie in the DCEU.
It's like, have they ever been in this thread? lol. Who do they think we are, the DCEU Reddit?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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N7Commander95
Member
Plus you don't have to be an extreme snyder fan to love BvS UC and MOS and want to argue its merits.
But anyway, Im so glad everyone seems to love Wonder Woman, and are saying its genuinely great.
I remember watching them film some of it in Trafalgar Square, and it felt cool even then.
But anyway, Im so glad everyone seems to love Wonder Woman, and are saying its genuinely great.
I remember watching them film some of it in Trafalgar Square, and it felt cool even then.
BlackGoku03
Member
Your sentiments tie into why I think WB wants a solo Cyborg film.
-It fits their diversity quota.
-He's a fucking transformer, those movies makes tons of cash in merch.
-Cyborg is easier to sell toys of rather than a black green lantern. Think of the attachments they can sell...
It's a corporate push through and through. But hell, I'm still glad a black guy will get his own CBM and Black Panther won't be the only one. As long as they improve Cyborg's look, they both will do well in the BO.
broncobuster
Banned
I am curious where everyone stands. Mentioned it a couple days back, I'm not a fan of most of his movies. BvS is an exception of a Snyder movie I really like.
What I will say is I appreciate what he tries to do, even if he stumbles on execution often. He's not the best storyteller. Even Sucker Punch, which I really don't like, I get what he's going for; I appreciate how he purposely avoids using male gaze with the camera and his intentions behind it. But good intentions only go so far when the end result is rubbish.
First of all, thank you to all three of you for trying to help me out here. Very much appreciated.
I'm trying to figure out this whole ordeal in Nairomi. There were three parties there right? The press, CIA (who worked with Jimmy Olson) and who is this Russian? Is he and his men mercenaries or some kind of private military company? I know they get paid by Lex Luthor and work together with him to setup Superman.
Where is this mentioned? Because I must have totally missed out on this. So Flash warns of this future where Lois dies, and refers to her as the key, because she needs to stay alive to find and retrieve the spear. Or are you talking about the nightmare sequence?
Why does he brand the worst of the worst though? Is it out of anger toward Superman?
The sound of world engine?
Why did Lex invite Bruce and Clark? Does he know who Batman and Superman is at this point?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
No, Batman is just frustrated fighting the same criminals over and over again. He crossed a line with that, even Alfred mentions it.
And yes, Lex knows their secret identities.
beyond_death
Member
I'm a fan of Snyders but I certainly don't think hes amazing or a God. I will admit that I like him mostly due to his style. BvS:UC is my favourite movie of his but I haven't seen Dawn of the Dead or the Owl movie.
I haven't seen these and Sucker Punch, so for me Snyder has been 4/4.
broncobuster
Banned
Random WW facts learned,
Reshoots were for the third act, and from the sounds of things, it still ain't perfect but evidently much better than it was.
Patty Jenkins and the cinematographer were about to do another movie before joining WW. Funny anecdote about how she had to fight to shoot on film there, and was ready to for Wonder Woman. Then the producers were all like, sure, go ahead.
And taking the photo for BvS was one of the first things they did.
Reshoots were for the third act, and from the sounds of things, it still ain't perfect but evidently much better than it was.
Patty Jenkins and the cinematographer were about to do another movie before joining WW. Funny anecdote about how she had to fight to shoot on film there, and was ready to for Wonder Woman. Then the producers were all like, sure, go ahead.
And taking the photo for BvS was one of the first things they did.
Leo_Sagittarius
Member
I personally never was one to stan hard for an actor/director, I like most of Snyder's input and I can understand people not liking his body of work at all, but the amount of vitriol this guy gets is too much at times, I haven't seen anything like it since Uwe Boll's "glory days".
With that said I think it's clear by now that most of the "snyder fanboyism" in here is pretty much tongue-in-cheek. Just like people like to hyperbolize their dislike of the man, we hyperbolize our appreciation of him.
All in all it's just movies
With that said I think it's clear by now that most of the "snyder fanboyism" in here is pretty much tongue-in-cheek. Just like people like to hyperbolize their dislike of the man, we hyperbolize our appreciation of him.
All in all it's just movies
I hate the heels, so impractical
For me, Snyder finally became a great director with BvS. He always made good and interesting films with heavy flaws but it was with BvS (and to a lesser extent MoS) where I finally saw him make the jump I'd been wanting to see. He basically put it all together and created a cohesive work that is solely his. BvS could have only been done by him and its safe to say no one will ever attempt anything like that for quite awhile.
That's one of the reasons why I like him so much. I feel he's making movies for people who have been watching movies for a long time and are tired of the same old Hollywood beats. He goes for something new and it's because of that he's been able to develop a unique style that makes his films stand apart from the rest.
I've seen all his movies and each of them is worth watching.
That's one of the reasons why I like him so much. I feel he's making movies for people who have been watching movies for a long time and are tired of the same old Hollywood beats. He goes for something new and it's because of that he's been able to develop a unique style that makes his films stand apart from the rest.
I've seen all his movies and each of them is worth watching.
Yeah, sandals would be ok. Still looks good though.
I watched Lego batman thanks to the recommendations on this thread.
Is it me or the movie is a bit... gay? Like, I say that in the best of senses of course, but I feel like it toys with the idea between Joker and Bman, and Alfred and Robin and the whole "two dads" and Robin being a bit.. flamboyant. Like the writers really wanted a gay Batman movie hahaha. I liked it! But I can see how it didn't fly with american audiences.
Is it me or the movie is a bit... gay? Like, I say that in the best of senses of course, but I feel like it toys with the idea between Joker and Bman, and Alfred and Robin and the whole "two dads" and Robin being a bit.. flamboyant. Like the writers really wanted a gay Batman movie hahaha. I liked it! But I can see how it didn't fly with american audiences.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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It is gay.
broncobuster
Banned
The folks who get upset about that stuff got upset about LEGO Batman. Yeah. Recently learned there was a fuss about the gay and feminist agenda in Neighbors 2. Yeah...
WadiumArcadium
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Glass Rebel
Member
A lot of the jokes would go straight over childrens' heads. C'mon.