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Trump: Trans Soldiers now barred from the military entirely

Linkura

Member
Everyone should know that the Trump administration's argument for why this ban is appropriate is that transgender people serving in the military has a negative impact on "combat readiness and unit cohesion." This is the exact same reasoning that was used to argue against allowing women and people of color to serve in the military in the past. It's bs. The military didn't collapse back then and it wouldn't now.

And also that it's expensive. Which is also bs.
 
He's on vacation/personal time. I'll bet he's pretty pissed off that he wasn't consulted, you know being the sec def and all... It will be interesting to hear what he has to say...
I'm confused in regards to what you're trying to say.
how bad do things have to get before the frustration is justified? I feel like we're well past that point.
Frustration is fine, but it's the assumption that anyone who happens to fall under the category of "Republican" is evil or in full support of everything the president does, that's super iffy, at least for me.
 

Reeks

Member
I'm confused in regards to what you're trying to say.

Frustration is fine, but it's the assumption that anyone who happens to fall under the category of "Republican" is evil or in full support of everything the president does, that's super iffy, at least for me.

Just mean that Trump made this decision and posted it on Twitter while Mattis was away. That alone seems to be a move Mattis probably wont be happy with.

Edit: He already decided to have the 6 months delay and it could have been for logicistical reasons as fucked up as it is. Or this could be what he was working towards. My point is, Mattis probably won't appreciate the hastiness and undermining aspect of Trump's decision.

Edit 2: Sorry, it seems I quoted the wrong post
 

Sai-kun

Banned
I'm confused in regards to what you're trying to say.

Frustration is fine, but it's the assumption that anyone who happens to fall under the category of "Republican" is evil or in full support of everything the president does, that's super iffy, at least for me.

how do you identify with a political party if you aren't voting for them?

also if you did vote for the president, you bear some of the responsibility for what they do. that's just how it works.

democrats have to own the flaws with the aca, obama's drone strikes, and every shitty thing he did, along with all the good. republicans have to own every shitty thing that trump is doing.

talk is cheap and doesn't mean shit if you aren't gonna show up to vote when it matters.
 

MUnited83

For you.
I'm confused in regards to what you're trying to say.

Frustration is fine, but it's the assumption that anyone who happens to fall under the category of "Republican" is evil or in full support of everything the president does, that's super iffy, at least for me.
They are absolutely in support of what he does.


The motherfucking motherfucker has been exposed as a piece of shit subhuman scum for years upon years. All his bullshit is public. That he is a racist, sexist, rapist piece of shit, that intends to destroy civil rights.
No one, NO ONE gets to wash their hands of supporting what he has done. He didn't suddenly turn face, the dude has always been this shitlord. Nobody was fooled, every motherfucking idiot supporter knows very well the scum they supported.
 
I'm confused in regards to what you're trying to say.

Frustration is fine, but it's the assumption that anyone who happens to fall under the category of "Republican" is evil or in full support of everything the president does, that's super iffy, at least for me.

I think people want republicans to stand up against the injustice of this administration or denounce the party affiliation

I know plenty of conservatives that are distancing themselves and denouncing this mess. We need more. especially those in power

Oh and if they did that without dragging random unrelated liberals through the mud from the sides of their mouths that would be great
 

Ponn

Banned
Heh..I wish that folks that pop in with their rebuke of words said by a bunch of nobodies on a nobody forum would, at minimum, write twice the amount of paragraphs to denounce shit said by assholes that control our lives. It ain't gonna happen, but it'd be nice. Unless, they agree? 🤔

I just wish they would be nice enough to setup some system where minorities and LGBT groups can get permission from moderates to get upset when they are oppressed or discriminated against. Can people get some kind of form or maybe a phone app?

I had to de-friend two facebook people today over this. The one that pissed me off the most was the guy posting the news article and saying he can't wait for the snowflakes to get upset over it. Like actually taking joy in the suffering of others. Also something about the hypocrisy of a republican posting news and pictures about supporting the troops all year and then turning around calling some of the same troops "snowflakes" and making fun of their discrimination stinks of hypocrisy. Oh, and I didn't see any moderates calling him out by the way.
 
Just mean that Trump made this decision and posted it on Twitter while Mattis was away. That alone seems to be a move Mattis probably wont be happy with.
Oh. Ok.
how do you identify with a political party if you aren't voting for them?

also if you did vote for the president, you bear some of the responsibility for what they do. that's just how it works.

democrats have to own the flaws with the aca, obama's drone strikes, and every shitty thing he did, along with all the good. republicans have to own every shitty thing that trump is doing.

talk is cheap and doesn't mean shit if you aren't gonna show up to vote when it matters.
I feel like this isn't how it works, or at the very least shouldn't be how it works. I wouldn't praise a random democrat on the street for getting same-sex marriage approved, nor would I scold a democrat for something terrible a hypothetical president did.

The same goes for republicans. It feels really wrong to treat a political party the same way you'd treat a sports team.

They are absolutely in support of what he does.


The motherfucking motherfucker has been exposed as a piece of shit subhuman scum for years upon years. All his bullshit is public. That he is a racist, sexist, rapist piece of shit, that intends to destroy civil rights.
No one, NO ONE gets to wash their hands of supporting what he has done. He didn't suddenly turn face, the dude has always been this shitlord. Nobody was fooled, every motherfucking idiot supporter knows very well the scum they supported.
You can say this with certainty, in regards to likely somewhere around 130 million people, that every single one agrees with everything he's done?
 

Jag

Member

The Israel Defense Forces have knowingly included transgender soldiers since 1998. In 2014, the Israeli military said it had at least five transgender members and would support future such conscripts. As of last year, it was among 19 countries, including the United States, that allowed transgender people to serve in the military.

Guess that's another list we can cross the US off.
 
They are absolutely in support of what he does.


The motherfucking motherfucker has been exposed as a piece of shit subhuman scum for years upon years. All his bullshit is public. That he is a racist, sexist, rapist piece of shit, that intends to destroy civil rights.
No one, NO ONE gets to wash their hands of supporting what he has done. He didn't suddenly turn face, the dude has always been this shitlord. Nobody was fooled, every motherfucking idiot supporter knows very well the scum they supported.

You capture my rage so perfectly.
 

watershed

Banned
Oh. Ok.

I feel like this isn't how it works, or at the very least shouldn't be how it works. I wouldn't praise a random democrat on the street for getting same-sex marriage approved, nor would I scold a democrat for something terrible a hypothetical president did.

The same goes for republicans. It feels really wrong to treat a political party the same way you'd treat a sports team.

If you vote for a party or politician you empower that party/politician to implement their policies. People who voted for Trump paved the way for today's news.
 

RinsFury

Member
They are absolutely in support of what he does.


The motherfucking motherfucker has been exposed as a piece of shit subhuman scum for years upon years. All his bullshit is public. That he is a racist, sexist, rapist piece of shit, that intends to destroy civil rights.
No one, NO ONE gets to wash their hands of supporting what he has done. He didn't suddenly turn face, the dude has always been this shitlord. Nobody was fooled, every motherfucking idiot supporter knows very well the scum they supported.

They drank the toxic milkshake and they loved it. None of these fucks get a pass.
 

Caelus

Member
I feel like this isn't how it works, or at the very least shouldn't be how it works. I wouldn't praise a random democrat on the street for getting same-sex marriage approved, nor would I scold a democrat for something terrible a hypothetical president did.

I'm not sure why you're imagining these hypothetical scenarios.

Yes, I would feel uncomfortable around and possibly scold a person who voted Trump if I knew them. It's not that hard. I've done it before.

Politics isn't some abstract preference.
 

MUnited83

For you.
Oh. Ok.

I feel like this isn't how it works, or at the very least shouldn't be how it works. I wouldn't praise a random democrat on the street for getting same-sex marriage approved, nor would I scold a democrat for something terrible a hypothetical president did.

The same goes for republicans. It feels really wrong to treat a political party the same way you'd treat a sports team.

You can say this with certainty, in regards to likely somewhere around 130 million people, that every single one agrees with everything he's done?
Every.Single.One.
He has done literally WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO OUTLOUD THAT EVERYONE HEARD HIM SAYING.

Statistically I guess there might have been one or two that had a brain aneurysm at the moment of voting and suffered temporary amnesia.
 

Caelus

Member
You can say this with certainty, in regards to likely somewhere around 130 million people, that every single one agrees with everything he's done?

If they weren't taking him seriously in the first place, then they're stupid and are complicit in oppression. These are voting age adults we are talking about.
 

Sai-kun

Banned
I feel like this isn't how it works, or at the very least shouldn't be how it works. I wouldn't praise a random democrat on the street for getting same-sex marriage approved, nor would I scold a democrat for something terrible a hypothetical president did.

This is how it works, and maybe it shouldn't be, but it is.

A vote for Hillary Clinton was a vote for a lot of good shit, but also some shitty foreign policy, and everyone who cast a vote for her would be responsible if she were elected. A vote for Trump was a vote for all the bullshit that he's done. He didn't exactly do a heel-turn 20 days into office. He's always been this way.

You don't get to pick and choose which policies you're voting for when you cast a vote, because you're either voting for all of the candidate or you're not.

You don't have to praise random people on the street, but you can't not hold people accountable for their votes, because if we're not accountable for anything we do, nothing matters and we should just nuke the world lmao

how does that not make sense to people? we are accountable for our actions, which includes the power of our votes (cast or not cast) to get people into office
 
Every time Trump says: "after careful consideration..." of any kind you just know he didn't talk to nobody about the stupid shit he just did on his own. He just can't stop lying and be an adult for two seconds. Probably watched a Fox News item on it just before too.
 
Every.Single.One.
He has done literally WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO OUTLOUD THAT EVERYONE HEARD HIM SAYING.

Statistically I guess there might have been one or two that had a brain aneurysm at the moment of voting and suffered temporary amnesia.
Glad to know, superhumans who can read the minds of millions all at once and know every single opinion they have without ever talking to them exist on Gaf.
I'm not sure why you're imagining these hypothetical scenarios.

Yes, I would feel uncomfortable around and possibly scold a person who voted Trump if I knew them. It's not that hard. I've done it before.

Politics isn't some abstract preference.
I'm talking about people you don't know. None of you know the family of the man who posted so many pages ago, but still felt the need to call all of them "racists" and "bigots."
If you vote for a party or politician you empower that party/politician to implement their policies. People who voted for Trump paved the way for today's news.
Fair enough, I still find it wrong to treat anyone who voted for him, especially if you know nothing about the individual, as a monster just because they voted for him.
 
There were 9 minutes between the first and second Trump tweet announcing this.

During that time, the Pentagon was white-knuckling it, fearing that Trump was about to announce strikes against North Korea.

It is beyond time to put the "for the sake of the country" bullshit away and just get rid of Trump.
 

Caelus

Member
I'm talking about people you don't know. None of you know the family of the man who posted so many pages ago, but still felt the need to call all of them "racists" and "bigots."

No need to use quotes around those words. Racism and bigotry are not labels exclusive to those who name call or burn crosses.

A vote for Trump is an endorsement of a visibly racist platform. It means that his bigoted words and actions were not enough of a dealbreaker.

It's a reasonable assumption to make. Calling someone racist is not the same as calling them a monster. It's a condemnation of their worldviews and decision-making. If one is called racist, they should self-evaluate instead of being on the defensive, because even the nicest people in the world have some sort of racial bias.
 

MUnited83

For you.
Glad to know, superhumans who can read the minds of millions all at once and know every single opinion they have without ever talking to them exist on Gaf.

I'm talking about people you don't know. None of you know the family of the man who posted so many pages ago, but still felt the need to call all of them "racists" and "bigots."

Fair enough, I still find it wrong to treat anyone who voted for him, especially if you know nothing about the individual, as a monster just because they voted for him.

You don't need to be superhuman that anyone willing to support Trump and by proxy every shitty fucking thing he said he would do, is a dumbass that doesn't get to wash away the shit they did. They are racist and bigoted, that's what they are. Learn to live with that fact.
 

Sai-kun

Banned
Fair enough, I still find it wrong to treat anyone who voted for him, especially if you know nothing about the individual, as a monster just because they voted for him.

calling out racism and bigotry is not calling someone 'a monster' lol

if you vote for someone who's putting forth racist and bigoted legislature, how does that not reflect on your own values?
 
how do you identify with a political party if you aren't voting for them?

also if you did vote for the president, you bear some of the responsibility for what they do. that's just how it works.

democrats have to own the flaws with the aca, obama's drone strikes, and every shitty thing he did, along with all the good. republicans have to own every shitty thing that trump is doing.

talk is cheap and doesn't mean shit if you aren't gonna show up to vote when it matters.
Republicans don't let ANY Democrats live that stuff down. To them, all Democrats are the say, "obstructionists". No doubt Ma and Pa livin' in Hayseed County are noddin' their heads in agreement, "Yup, they are all wicked, sinful baby-killin' obstructionists!!! Tell us more of that gospel truth, Fox News!"
 

Christine

Member
The same goes for republicans. It feels really wrong to treat a political party the same way you'd treat a sports team.

I agree. That's why it's so disappointing to see people pretend that the stakes aren't real and putting their heads in the sand about the moral weight of these choices so they don't have to face the fact that their friends, neighbors and loved ones have done something terribly wrong.
 
How a person votes says who they are and what they stand for. You don't need to hear a life story.

At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

It's telling to me that you post constantly to express your concern for hypothetical republicans who you've never met over how people talk about them on the internet in a thread that is not at all about them. I'm much more concerned about how this sham of a policy announcement banning transgender people from serving in the any capacity will impact the some 15k transgender people serving in the military at this very moment. There are real concerns, and there is concern trolling. Your comments reveal your values.
I popped into this thread and wanted to add balance to what felt like the whole site ganging up on a single individual person, as is all too common on this site, and the already derailed be people who aren't me thread only got more derailed.

I haven't a clue what "concern trolling" is however.
 

watershed

Banned
Glad to know, superhumans who can read the minds of millions all at once and know every single opinion they have without ever talking to them exist on Gaf.

I'm talking about people you don't know. None of you know the family of the man who posted so many pages ago, but still felt the need to call all of them "racists" and "bigots."

Fair enough, I still find it wrong to treat anyone who voted for him, especially if you know nothing about the individual, as a monster just because they voted for him.

It's telling to me that you post constantly to express your concern for hypothetical republicans who you've never met over how people talk about them on the internet in a thread that is not at all about them. I'm much more concerned about how this sham of a policy announcement banning transgender people from serving in the any capacity will impact the some 15k transgender people serving in the military at this very moment. There are real concerns, and there is concern trolling. Your comments reveal your values.
 
I agree. That's why it's so disappointing to see people pretend that the stakes aren't real and putting their heads in the sand about the moral weight of these choices so they don't have to face the fact that their friends, neighbors and loved ones have done something terribly wrong.

This is a very great way to put it.
 

Azuran

Banned
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

No but that makes you a complete idiot with absolutely no regards for others. Elections are not a fucking game you find hilarious.

It really says a lot about your character that you were even considering voting for that orange motherfucker.
 

SeanC

Member
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

Your value was ignorance and stupidity. Not much better.
 

Ms.Galaxy

Member
Glad to know, superhumans who can read the minds of millions all at once and know every single opinion they have without ever talking to them exist on Gaf.

I'm talking about people you don't know. None of you know the family of the man who posted so many pages ago, but still felt the need to call all of them "racists" and "bigots."

Fair enough, I still find it wrong to treat anyone who voted for him, especially if you know nothing about the individual, as a monster just because they voted for him.

They may not be monsters, but they're enabling monsters by putting them into power. The fact that they voted for an idiot with no real policy, an established conman with years of recorded history of shifty and disgusting behavior, who made it clear time and time again that he has bigoted and somewhat fascist views, says enough about them to call them bigots and racists, or at the very least, enablers of bigotry, which isn't any better.

At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

Or a bloody idiot, because some people did what you thought about doing it. As if this is some stupid joke...

I popped into this thread and wanted to add balance to what felt like the whole site ganging up on a single individual person, as is all too common on this site, and the already derailed be people who aren't me thread only got more derailed.

I haven't a clue what "concern trolling" is however.

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One thing I've seen being thrown around is that the military can do this because they bar people with mental illnesses. To me I don't think GID is a mental disorder itself rather the negative effects that a trans person endures from outside influences is what leads to any sort of mental disorder like depression they may go through.

Is there anything that combats the notion that the military can do this due to the fact that they reject people with mental illnesses?
 

Hellraizah

Member
They are absolutely in support of what he does.


The motherfucking motherfucker has been exposed as a piece of shit subhuman scum for years upon years. All his bullshit is public. That he is a racist, sexist, rapist piece of shit, that intends to destroy civil rights.
No one, NO ONE gets to wash their hands of supporting what he has done. He didn't suddenly turn face, the dude has always been this shitlord. Nobody was fooled, every motherfucking idiot supporter knows very well the scum they supported.

Remember, love trumps hate.
 

MUnited83

For you.
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

Voting for someone you literally haven't looked up at all would make you quite the stupid dumbass. Which wouldn't make you much better than the other Trump votters.
 

Caelus

Member
I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

Yes, it would have. You did not consider how serious it would have been had he won. Treating elections as a game, even with the horrid electoral college system, is a sign of ignorance.

Racism, especially the sort of open racism he displayed, is serious. It impacts political decision making on a huge scale. Any hint of it should mean the candidate loses your vote.

Even if you somehow buried your head in the sand enough that you didn't even know he said racist things, I guess you're not a racist... you're just an idiot. Hope it doesn't hurt your feelings too much.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

I think "I'm definitely not a racist just because I'm completely ignorant to anything going on anywhere, I don't pay attention to anything, I vote for the lulz, and I don't care what happens to any of the many groups that are negatively impacted by my choices, but don't worry I figured it out in the knick of time." is probably not a great defence, especially when it's just after "Look, I know what Trump is doing sounds wrong, but is it right to be mean to someone who voted for him?" and especially especially when it's just after "I actually don't have a problem with this after all my tax money shouldn't cover this but don't worry I have dysphoria but I don't know anything about it but I looked it up online and for some people it sounds pretty bad so I don't really know where I ended up on this". Maybe it's time to realize that in some conversations, we benefit more from listening than speaking.
 
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

.......


So, you were one of those people? Those who thought voting for this dude was a complete joke. Well it most certainly isn't funny considering how rapidly that orange turd is destroying the US. And another thing, whether you goddamn like it or not, you vote for Trump, you own everything that comes with it. So whether you like it or not, the people that voted for Trump are with him. Which means they are racists and bigots for allowing a racist bigot to screw us over.
 

Ponn

Banned
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him..

And there it is. After several pages like we don't go through this dance every time that ends in the exact same fucking place. It always comes down to self-absolving oneself.

And then to add on the part were you admit to being ignorant of the issues and his platform and you thought it was a joke and to have the fucking audacity to come into this thread and take a holier than thou approach and try to say liberals aren't the ones trying to have a conversation to talk about issues or get the other side of the discussion. I swear, every single time this moderate shit comes up its the exact same shit hypocrisy.
 

Lowmelody

Member
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won.

It feels really wrong to treat a political party the same way you'd treat a sports team.

Girl bye
 
I agree. That's why it's so disappointing to see people pretend that the stakes aren't real and putting their heads in the sand about the moral weight of these choices so they don't have to face the fact that their friends, neighbors and loved ones have done something terribly wrong.

Truth.

At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

And now we're getting ever so close to something...
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
At one point I was considering voting for Tump, knowing very little of what he said in the past, and having not watch or paid any attention to what any of the candidates said, because I thought he had no chance in hell of winning, and it'd be hilarious in cosmic sorta irony way if he won. I didn't vote however, because of a lot of personal reasons. I guess however, it would've made me a racist immediately if I had voted for him.

So if you had voted for him, you would have felt fine with casting that vote because you didn't actually do any research and just voted for the lulz??

You need to grow up and realize that votes (or in this case non-votes) have consequences.
 
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