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[BGBW]

BotW locked its only companion character behind an amiibo

Well they were talking costumes.

But I completely forgot about that feature - despite owning the appropriate Amiibo lol (it came free with TPHD)

 

[Rncewind]

Explain to me how Amiibo is superior to the DLC model of the Witcher 3.

pssshh


also pls nobody say to this guy yet botw has amiibo unlocks and seasonpass. I want to see the ultimate spin

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Well they were talking costumes.

But I completely forgot about that feature - despite owning the appropriate Amiibo lol (it came free with TPHD)

i mean it was the only companion in the whole game, so i do felt like this was shitty tbh. would not be the case if there would be other companions

 

[Skittzo0413]

Cheap toy with few things locked away that is nice, retains value, can be sold or traded even given away and can be used in the future and sometimes for many games and you know what it is. Also saves stuff has uses beyond DLC.

vs

Season pass way more expensive, not sure what you get, locks away more content, only works for that game, can't be traded or sold, stops working at some point.

I'd agree with this in theory if we hadn't seen that Amiibo DLC just doesn't work like you say here, but we have seen that. There are plenty of Amiibos that only work (decently) with one game and it's basically the same as season passes where you'll have no idea which Amiibo will work in future games or not.

I think the concept was a decent one if it really did work that way- one Amiibo purchase will work to unlock bonuses in dozens of future games. But it doesn't. If the Smash Samus Amiibo unlocked all the content in Samus Returns then people would be very happy with that- it means less Amiibo varieties, meaning more stock of the Amiibo people want, and more value per figure.

But they got way too greedy, and it just doesn't work that way.

 

[OCD Guy]

only works for that game

You know Amiibo works like that right? Infact it's getting to a point where you need to buy more than one of the same character amiibo (because they're in a different pose) to unlock everything a game has to offer.

Your argument would work on that point if you could buy and use any Mario Amiibo in any Mario game to unlock that content. Infact I'd probably even buy one if I could in theory unlock all content in any Mario based game with that single purchase.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

I would rather we don't have DLC at all but alas here we are and if the choice is between amiibo and the other shit I pick amiibo.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

I'd agree with this in theory if we hadn't seen that Amiibo DLC just doesn't work like you say here, but we have seen that. There are plenty of Amiibos that only work (decently) with one game and it's basically the same as season passes where you'll have no idea which Amiibo will work in future games or not.

I think the concept was a decent one if it really did work that way- one Amiibo purchase will work to unlock bonuses in dozens of future games. But it doesn't. If the Smash Samus Amiibo unlocked all the content in Samus Returns then people would be very happy with that- it means less Amiibo varieties, meaning more stock of the Amiibo people want, and more value per figure.

But they got way too greedy, and it just doesn't work that way.

And any other DLC for other games would never work on more than 1 game.

 

[ramadden13]

BotW locked its only companion character behind an amiibo

Preface: I don't own any Amiibos and loved BotW.

But I didn't mind that. It wasn't a character from the game locked behind an Amiibo. It was a fanservice-y companion from a past game. So I didn't feel like I was missing any of the BotW story without it.

 

[Papercuts]

Cheap toy with few things locked away that is nice, retains value, can be sold or traded even given away and can be used in the future and sometimes for many games and you know what it is. Also saves stuff has uses beyond DLC.

vs

Season pass way more expensive, not sure what you get, locks away more content, only works for that game, can't be traded or sold, stops working at some point.

How can you mention not being sure what you get for season pass and not amiibo?

Amiibo has that ALL OVER THE PLACE. Entire sets don't do shit for games, or have exclusive content tied to very specific amiibo which makes people buy even more.

You don't have to even get a season pass when the game just comes out. Wait for the content to be made and released, get the pass on a sale, know exactly what you're getting at a discount. Good luck buying an amiibo years later for whatever horseshit nintendo locks into it.

 

[Wildo09]

Couldn't care less about a skin. I'm glad Hard Mode will be available without having to purchase an amiibo.

 

[Phu]

And any other DLC for other games would never work on more than 1 game.

The overwhelming majority of amiibos do jack all for the games they weren't initially released for.

 

[Feffe]

We should ask ourselves if the content locked behind the amiibo (or a digital DLC) would have been included for everyone if amiibo and DLC weren't possible. In BotW case it's hard to imagine Wolf Link in an amiibo-less world. And since no Metroid has ever hard a harder-than-Hard-Mode difficult setting, we can conclude than Fusion Mode was developed only because amiibo exist.

Also please remember we don't know what Fusion Mode. It might be a mere reskin. It might be a de-facto whole new game with a new map layout and exclusive enemies. So let's wait.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

You know Amiibo works like that right? Infact it's getting to a point where you need to buy more than one of the same character amiibo (because they're in a different pose) to unlock everything a game has to offer.

Your argument would work on that point if you could buy and use any Mario Amiibo in any Mario game to unlock that content. Infact I'd probably even buy one if I could in theory unlock all content in any Mario based game with that single purchase.

My latest amiibo works for splatoon, splatoon 2 and Mario Kart.

What DLC did you buy from example EA that worked on 3 games?

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

So hard mode is in there for free and an additional hard mode with another suit is only available trough amiibo?

To be clear: Samus Returns has a free hardmode like many other Metroid games and another bonus mode behind amiibo (like none Metroid game had before) (and would be most likely not even included if there was no amiibo) but a small minority here at gaf is really, really upset about that because... because.

Seems like the kind of the extra stuff Nintendo had been locked behind amiibo all the time. The only really worthwhile and big mode was in Captain Toad anyway.

 

[OCD Guy]

And any other DLC for other games would never work on more than 1 game.

But you're only buying that content specifically for that game.

I bought the dlc for breath of the wild, I'm not going to complain that it doesn't work in the next Zelda game.

The fact is if you want certain dlc the ONLY way you can access it is to buy the plastic figurine. That makes the dlc more expensive for those who don't want the amiibo figure itself.

But then again the argument will be that you can sell the amiibo to make money back. But it's just all too much bullshit.

Why not just make any dlc available separately...That would just solve all these "issues". People who want a cosmetic item can pay a couple bucks, and people who want the figurine get that cosmetic item "free"

 

[Megatron]

Which metroid amiibo specifically unlocks the fusion mode? Just the new ones? What do the smash samus amiibos unlock?

 

[Instro]

It's nice that there is at least a hard mode, but the problem is still the same. Holy shit at some of the defense force posts in here.

 

[TheSpoiler]

People keep bringing up season passes. I really don't know why. It actually makes their point look horrible.

Let's talk about something called "context".

Let's say I pick up a game and it has a season pass. Now let's say I pick up an Amiibo-functional game. Both of them have hard mode as DLC. And that's stupid.

Yet, for the first game (the one with the season pass), I can either choose to buy the DLC separate OR buy the season pass DLC items in bulk by getting the pack, saving me money (usually). That hard mode in the season pass is probably not going to surpass 15 dollars regardless. I cannot sell this item, but that runs under the assumption that I would want to or have the means available.

The Amiibo based game? Nah son, it's on that figurine only. Can't buy it by itself. And it's whatever the straight cost is. That's subject to availability, price gouging, etc. That's under the assumption it will be hard to find or boosted up in price. Which it may or may not be.

The thing is, season passes need to stop being mentioned here because a) I don't need to buy a season pass to get the DLC, b) I can't recall of more than a few games pricing their hard modes at 15 plus bucks, and c) it's silly to assume Nintendo couldn't just put it up on the store if people don't want the figure. It's not even a 1:1 comparison at all.

We should ask ourselves if the content locked behind the amiibo (or a digital DLC) would have been included for everyone if amiibo and DLC weren't possible. In BotW case it's hard to imagine Wolf Link in an amiibo-less world. And since no Metroid has ever hard a harder-than-Hard-Mode difficult setting, we can conclude than Fusion Mode was developed only because amiibo exist.

Also please remember we don't know what Fusion Mode. It might be a mere reskin. It might be a de-facto whole new game with a new map layout and exclusive enemies. So let's wait.

Why is it hard to imagine Wolf Link in BotW? It's not like DLC hasn't broken the realm of possibilities when including characters at their whims in other games.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

I guess Nintendo confirmed their shitty practice.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

The overwhelming majority of amiibos do jack all for the games they weren't initially released for.

Not all Amiibos sell for DLC purposes. Not my thing but I hear they are collectibles. No one forces you to collect such amiibo.

 

[Marcel]

If I have to pick one DLC dystopia it's the dystopia where I can actually buy the game content I want because it's not determined by physical inventory.

 

[Gestault]

I would rather we don't have DLC at all but alas here we are and if the choice is between amiibo and the other shit I pick amiibo.

I guess I can only speak from my own perspective, but we're to a point where kvetching on principle at the idea of DLC is basically laughable. If you can't discern between good and poor implementations of making additional content for videogames, which are sold on a digital marketplace, I don't know what to say.

And someone critical of the arrangement and preferring purchasing figurines which then unlock content in the game? YEOWZA.

 

[Seik]

Whi h metroid amiibo specifically unlocks the fusion mode? Just the new ones? What do the smash samus amiibos unlock?

An art gallery.

And an art gallery in 240p is dull. :lol

 

[Spieler Eins]

We should ask ourselves if the content locked behind the amiibo (or a digital DLC) would have been included for everyone if amiibo and DLC weren't possible. In BotW case it's hard to imagine Wolf Link in an amiibo-less world. And since no Metroid has ever hard a harder-than-Hard-Mode difficult setting, we can conclude than Fusion Mode was developed only because amiibo exist.

Also please remember we don't know what Fusion Mode. It might be a mere reskin. It might be a de-facto whole new game with a new map layout and exclusive enemies. So let's wait.

This excuse could be made for any kind of on-disc DLC, but it doesn't make it better. And even in Metroid, art galleries existed before Amiibos.

 

[Phu]

Not all Amiibos sell for DLC purposes. Not my thing but I hear they are collectibles. No one forces you to collect such amiibo.

I have to conclude you're trolling because nobody is this far gone.

 

[TheSpoiler]

I have to conclude you're trolling because nobody is this far gone.

Why does Nintendo even need a PR division when this guy could run it all by himself?

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

But you're only buying that content specifically for that game.

I bought the dlc for breath of the wild, I'm not going to complain that it doesn't work in the next Zelda game.

The fact is if you want certain dlc the ONLY way you can access it is to buy the plastic figurine. That makes the dlc more expensive for those who don't want the amiibo figure itself.

But then again the argument will be that you can sell the amiibo to make money back. But it's just all too much bullshit.

Why not just make any dlc available separately...That would just solve all these "issues". People who want a cosmetic item can pay a couple bucks, and people who want the figurine get that cosmetic item "free"

Only way I can access DLC for my games on Steam is to buy DLC on Steam.

What is bullshit is people saying amiibo is worse than what others offer. I can understand if upset about amiibo being sold out or scalpers (don't run into that here.) But besides Nintendo failing to meet demand the product is far superior.

 

[Eumi]

They've still locked content behind a toy. Saying "no look there's also content in the game too!" isn't a defence.

 

[Rncewind]

Whi h metroid amiibo specifically unlocks the fusion mode? Just the new ones? What do the smash samus amiibos unlock?

this unlocks the art gallery

 

[flkraven]

No thanks. Some of us would rather have far superior in every way amiibo DLC model they use now than what the rest of AAA publishers are doing.

lol what? So instead of buying something off the digital store for $5, I need to buy a hunk of plastic for $10-15? That's better?

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

It's nice that there is at least a hard mode, but the problem is still the same. Holy shit at some of the defense force posts in here.

It's not "defense force" more like wtf? It seems the only real difference between free hard mode and amiibo hard mode is a different suit. And people really get upset about that? It's simply weird.

Nonetheless I think there will surely be another wave of Metroid amiibo in the near future.

 

[muteki]

I feel like I'm in a wierd place for wanting the amiibo but not the game

But really, this isn't any better Nintendo. You are missing the point.

 

[LeonSPBR]

Just watched the preview of the game on the gamexplain channel and they said fusion mode is an harder difficulty than hard mode. So yeah we're still getting fucked.

 

[Papercuts]

My latest amiibo works for splatoon, splatoon 2 and Mario Kart.

What DLC did you buy from example EA that worked on 3 games?

Why do I want to buy a mystery box of 'content' for an unknown amount of games?

How many games will an animal crossing amiibo work with?

Or I have a Rider Link amiibo but want Epona in BotW...oh wait, I need one very specific Link amiibo of the many other Link amiibos they arbitrarily tied that to with no way of knowing which one had the content I would want in the future. And let's not forget that game already has a season pass yet has a bunch of random stuff locked into so many random toys that an entire image album is needed to capture them all

https://imgur.com/r/zelda/QWNvr

Literally every issue people have with amiibo could be avoided if Ninteno just put this up on a digital storefront too. Amiibo can keep their random bonuses without withholding it from everyone else.

 

[OCD Guy]

Only way I can access DLC for my games on Steam is to buy DLC on Steam.

What is bullshit is people saying amiibo is worse than what others offer. I can understand if upset about amiibo being sold out or scalpers (don't run into that here.) But besides Nintendo failing to meet demand the product is far superior.

The reason people say it's worse is firstly because using your example with steam, they can't run out of dlc. But stock of amiibos can run out.

Secondly dlc works out more expensive for those who have no interest in the amiibo itself. Say if I am interested in a cosmetic item, having to buy the amiibo costs me more than if it was available on the eshop.

As someone that seems to see the positive on amiibo, what is your opinion on making that content available separately on the eshop for people with no interest in the plastic figurine?

Nintendo seem intent on giving people choice, a million different controller options, and now a million different ways of playing the Switch, but no choice when it comes to giving people ways to access dlc...

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

I have to conclude you're trolling because nobody is this far gone.

You don't need an excuse to ignore me. I am simply expressing my opinion and how I see this and what I see is a bunch of hyperbole by the usual posters that enter every Nintendo related thread.

 

[BGBW]

Why does Nintendo even need a PR division when this guy could run it all by himself?

He's the Nintendo PR GAF deserves.

 

[Vena]

I figured there would be a hard mode.

On a thematics levels, its weird to think about the lore of you in the Fusion Suit (aka -> you are now part-metroid) hunting down metroid... to the eventual saving/sparing of the metroid that is the source of you becoming part-metroid (ie. Fusion Suit).

That's some time-fuckery right there!

 

[LordRaptor]

The point in being "outraged" by it is to complain and make it heard that a portion of their market isn't going to buy into spending $15 on a toy for an extra mode, but is interested in having the extra mode under a more reasonable price/distribution model.

I am addressing that poster who keeps bringing up the shadow of mordor outrage thread as 'proof' that nintendo fans are 'different'

 

[Rncewind]

It's not "defense force" more like wtf? It seems the only real difference between free hard mode and amiibo hard mode is a different suit. And people really get upset about that? It's simply weird.

Nonetheless I think there will surely be another wave of Metroid amiibo in the near future.

time to fetch a new narrative:

Just watched the preview of the game on the gamexplain channel and they said fusion mode is an harder difficulty than hard mode. So yeah we're still getting fucked.

 

[TheSpoiler]

It's not "defense force" more like wtf? It seems the only real difference between free hard mode and amiibo hard mode ist a different suit. And people really get upset about that? It's simply weird.

Nonetheless I think there will surely be another wave of Metroid amiibo in the near future.

That's not what the OP says. It suggests that an additional difficulty is locked behind the Amiibo.

So there's Hard, then Fusion Hard. FH requires the figuring. So if you want an even harder mode, be prepared to sell out 15 bucks.

He's the Nintendo PR GAF deserves.

I take that back.

There are multiple people who'd do it for free in this very topic.

 

[Feffe]

This excuse could be made for any kind of on-disc DLC, but it doesn't make it better. And even in Metroid, art galleries existed before Amiibos.

It's not an excuse. It's the only sane criterion we can use to discern anti-consumer DLC to honest extra content.

You are right regarding art galleries by the way. On principle it's something we could blame Nintendo for. In practice I never cared about them and I still don't, I find them so useless locking them behind an amiibo cause no harm.

 

[Ridley327]

Is that screenshot from a couple pages back legit? If so, that is a shockingly low effort reskin that doesn't even conform to what the Fusion suit is supposed to look like.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Just watched the preview of the game on the gamexplain channel and they said fusion mode is an harder difficulty than hard mode. So yeah we're still getting fucked.

That's really shitty if true.

 

[Rncewind]

I am addressing that poster who keeps bringing up the shadow of mordor outrage thread as 'proof' that nintendo fans are 'different'

you dont sadly adress anything besides quoting and answering selectivly. Also i dont say such a thing pls quote something that actually has being said. Like your driveby shitpost on the first page for example

 

[AcademicSaucer]

If a hard mode already exists then the Fusion mode only exists because of the amiibo.

 

[Living the Dream]

It's not an excuse. It's the only sane criterion we can use to discern anti-consumer DLC to honest extra content.

You are right regarding art galleries by the way. On principle it's something we could blame Nintendo for. In practice I never cared about them and I still don't, I find them so useless locking them behind an amiibo cause no harm.

So because you don't care about losing something that was free then it's okay. 🙄🙄

 

[flkraven]

My latest amiibo works for splatoon, splatoon 2 and Mario Kart.

What DLC did you buy from example EA that worked on 3 games?

All my EA games had all the difficulty modes included, so $0. Does that count? Titanfall 2 has all modes and maps dlc included for free, so no season pass. Same as Battlefront 2 when it comes out. Does that count?

 

[Papo Swing]

So basically they moved the goalpost for people that like complaining.

If you are fan enough to want to play a 2nd hard mode I would say you would want that Amiibo. Sucks that they are sold out.

 

[Madame M]

Locking hard mode behind beating easy mode is also a really dumb practice, what a waste of time. What if you want the whole experience to be hard from the moment you start playing it?

 

[Polk]

What is bullshit is people saying amiibo is worse than what others offer. I can understand if upset about amiibo being sold out or scalpers (don't run into that here.) But besides Nintendo failing to meet demand the product is far superior.

Do you think Nintendo would price same thing as 3x$15 DLC on Eshop?