Nekketsu Kõha
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And with their new console they will probably look and run great.
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Microsoft needs more exclusives throughout the year
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And with their new console they will probably look and run great.
Poimandres
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Nekketsu Kõha;245821868 said:
Mate, your bias is clear as day. You claim that Playstation exclusives are all the same, using the same movements shooting fighting etc... Just a page ago you were smack posting about TLG which is worlds removed from a 3rd person shooter for example. There are rpgs, 3rd person shooters, adventure games, racing games, stuff like Dreams still in the pipeline. Boiling all of those things down to the same basic game is the same sort of shit that people use when they say they "don't like Nintendo games".
And if you are really trying to argue that the Switch has a more worthwhile game library than the PS4 at this stage of its life... It's going to be a very difficult argument for you. Because that is frankly absurd.
They certainly do, they have been forgettable since 4. Honestly forza horizon series is the reason the series is still relevant.
there's very little chance of them announcing many exclusives other than halo. It would be extremely outside the norm for them to have more than the same old exclusives. If they do great but they haven't earned any faith in them regarding exclusives.
Forgettable since 4, for what reason? Couldn't disagree with you more. 6 is/was fantastic.
Off-topic:
That isn't really true since people considered ARMS worth buying and the Mario X Rabbits game is coming out this month. We also have Bomberman R (after all the patches and DLC) and Snipperclips that people considered a good pickup. So it's isn't really true to say that only Splatoon 2 is the only exclusive worth buying or 'everything' is is old indie/Neo Geo games or ports.
The Switch does have a small number of exclusives at the moment, but it also only been out since March and while Mario Kart and Pokkon are ports, they might as well be exclusives given the low number of Wii Us, especially Pokkon that came out when the Wii U was all but dead.
They maybe spewing 'fanboy drivel', but you're not helping your case either since you downplay the Switch's library.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Only bias I have is for what I prefer, we all have personal tastes. But with that in mind and having owned all and played most I have a hard time understanding the argument that Xbox has too few exclusives but PlayStation supposedly has a ton of great ones.
If Xbox One doesn't meet your demands as a gamer then I don't see the PlayStation 4 doing so either. If you want most exclusives and best games etc PC is where it is at and if you want games you can't get on Xbox, PlayStation or PC then the Nintendo Switch is what you should get. Mobile also offers exclusive gameplay and experiences.
If a person has a PC, Switch and smartphone/tablet why would you ever look at MS and Sony? In my mind neither offers anything above or different than a PC, Switch and mobile games.
I think many just doesn't realize how easy it is to couch game on a PC these days and if they did they would do so.
Yeah I'm not trying to start anything here. Just expressing my point of view and opinion
How does that do anything for the situation this year and until next E3 though? He's in charge long enough that he can be held responsible for not planning his exclusive line up for this year correctly. For the longest time now he always spoke big about how first party and expanding it is important to him. The result this year has been one of the most lackluster line ups in Xbox History.
5 was a bad game, 6 is okay but nothing special, it just wasnt fun to me at all. Maybe 7 will be better in that aspect.
Poimandres
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Nekketsu Kõha;245822928 said:
I have a gaming PC, a Wii U, a PS4. I've owned basically every console over the years. There are worthwhile exclusive games on all platforms, but Xbox is comparatively lacking at the moment. The Switch is only a few months old so its library is miniscule.
There were about half a dozen PS4 exclusives released in a few months period earlier this year. All different genres, very well received. If you don't see anything varied there you probably weren't actually paying attention to the games.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Meh, depends. I mean, if they are that far off, and if MS are actually working on that next console as rumors say, then those exclusives could be for that system. Who knows. I think what they want to do for now is get people interested in playing on the most powerful console for the rest of this gen regardless of those in development exclusives. If those exclusives Phil won't talk about are far enough off in development, IMO, hold them for the next system and start strong in the new gen.
Fredrik
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I doubt that they have those resources since they're a small studio, so if they would make a PS4/PS5 game their XB support would be nonexistant during that dev process. And the problem is that those devs are like top 5 working on MS platforms, it would be catastrophic for MS if they would go somewhere else. And nothing is preventing Sony to buy Moon/Playground... They're totally indepentent for all I now. I think MS owns the Ori 1 and Forza Horizon IP but that's about it.
I think Microsoft can partially solve the problem by courting more third parties.
A lot of games on PS4 are de facto exclusives even though they are not internally developed by Sony, not paid for by Sony in any way (whether by funding development or paying for timed or permanent exclusivity).
Games like Pyre, Transistor, Persona 5, Nier Automata, Yakuza, 999.
Free exclusives without Sony lifting a finger. It's not fair to expect Microsoft's first-parties to make up the difference. There's no one in the world, not even Sony or Nintendo, that can make those kinds of game. For example, right now SuperGiant Games are the only dev in existence that can make a game like Pyre. Certainly we won't see any of Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft make a game like that. But it is fair to give Microsoft shit and say "Wait - where are those third party games?"
Microsoft first-party HAS to be better - they need first party games that are more diverse and mor frequently released throughout the year. But I think something that is way way way more important is to stop the bleeding by doing everything in their power to get more third party games.
A lot of games on PS4 are de facto exclusives even though they are not internally developed by Sony, not paid for by Sony in any way (whether by funding development or paying for timed or permanent exclusivity).
Games like Pyre, Transistor, Persona 5, Nier Automata, Yakuza, 999.
Free exclusives without Sony lifting a finger. It's not fair to expect Microsoft's first-parties to make up the difference. There's no one in the world, not even Sony or Nintendo, that can make those kinds of game. For example, right now SuperGiant Games are the only dev in existence that can make a game like Pyre. Certainly we won't see any of Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft make a game like that. But it is fair to give Microsoft shit and say "Wait - where are those third party games?"
Microsoft first-party HAS to be better - they need first party games that are more diverse and mor frequently released throughout the year. But I think something that is way way way more important is to stop the bleeding by doing everything in their power to get more third party games.
Nekketsu Kõha
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To me it isn't really lacking vs PlayStation. Just different titles and genres.
No I think I was paying attention, nothing unique or something I would consider to be better than what I play on a PC, Switch or mobile. But if you do then that's great.
CerebralTiger
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Nekketsu Kõha;245822928 said:
Nekketsu Kõha;245819702 said:
I'm not sure I understand. You speak of personal tastes and preferences, yet you don't understand why others bother with platforms that have games you personally don't care about?
Nekketsu Kõha;245822928 said:
You're glossing over the fact the PS4 has had loads of critically acclaimed exclusives this year so far and the XB1 hasn't really had many. Also if you're in to Japanese stuff there's obviously going to be so many more games on PS4 for you. That's how the PS4 can meet lots of gamers demands that the XB1 can't.
Nekketsu Kõha
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No I don't understand it. Because if I was huge into 3rd person perspective action games or Japanese titles I would still pick a PC everytime because it has more of those games, better ones that also plays superior on a technical level.
Also if I wanted to play golf games there are tons of great ones on PC, mobile even Switch has one.
64bitbros
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I'm sorry, but i heard this reasoning last year too, and the year before. Always pointing at next year, next E3. Always pointing to the horizon, asking to wait, to better days. Sorry, but i'm not buying it.
I don't get why you'd feel like that? The physics/handling is better than ever IMO. Just bored of sims?
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Sunset Overdrive is really good.
Opinions and all but I'm struggling to see how the current switch library is any better than the PS4?Nekketsu Kõha;245822928 said:
Anyway, I don't have a gaming PC so I do appreciate the Xbox One lineup. I just wish they'd try as hard as they did with the 360.. Last gen I bought a ps3 until I realised I was missing out with the Witcher 2, Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, Alan Wake etc... There's Sunset Overdrive and Quantum Break on X1 but apart from that, their offering is not as diverse as it was last gen.
Shil Pencer
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There is no way they go up there next year with 3rd party games and just Ori and a Halo game that's not even coming next year. I agree faith in them having games should be low, but at the same time it looks like they wanted to get the hardware out this year and really show what it can do next year.
I have an Xbox One, but I haven't turned that damn thing on since Forza Horizon 3. This year, Microsoft to my knowledge only had 1 exclusive so far in the 1st half, Halo War 2 and we are months and months past and there is still no exclusive games to play until September with Cuphead. The situation was very similar to last year as well. Quantum Break was the only exclusive in the 1st half of 2016 until we reached August for Rare Collection.
My complaint is that Microsoft needs more exclusives in the first half instead of putting everything in the fall. They need to spread it out like the competition. To be honest, this year of exclusives for Microsoft is much worse compared to last year. For a company that has WAY more money than Sony and Nintendo this embarrassing in my opinion.
This is what I've been playing in the 1st half of the year and summer:
- Zelda Breath of the Wild (Exclusive on Nintendo Switch)
- Persona 5 (Exclusive on Playstation platforms PS4 & PS3)
- Crash Bandicoot (Exclusive so far for the PS4)
- Mario Kart 8 (Exclusive on Nintendo platforms Switch and WiiU)
- Horizon Zero Dawn 2nd run new game plus (Exclusive on PS4)
- Nioh (Exclusive on PS4)
- Hellblade (Console Exclusive for PS4)
Both Sony & Nintendo have been keeping me busy throughout the year so far and still have exclusives left for the fall. Microsoft is just watching from a freaking window looking at both Sony & Nintendo playing outside having fun wishing they were there as well. I've seen a whole lot of games that were announced for the Xbox One at E3 but damn, it looks like all of that was for 2018.
This is how I imagine Microsoft right now...
Hellblade is coming to Xbox (it was first to PS4), Zero Dawn is DLC, Crash is multiplat and Persona 5 is mulitiplat.
I bought Nier for my PS Pro, though that is also multiplat.
For Xbox this fall (I already got Phantom Dust, Halo Wars 2, Voo Doo Vince this year) I am getting Tacoma, Cuphead, Forza Motorsport 7, Crackdown 3, Path of Exile, Super Lucky's Tale as well as AC Origins, COD WWII, ProjectCars 2, Destiny 2 and of course the Xbox One X.
This fall on my PS Pro? I might get Gran Turismo Sport. That's it. That is pretty sad.
Nekketsu Kõha
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You prefer the PlayStation controller? You can use it for PC you know. I guess if you really have to have the PlayStation logo play and the voice you can play a YouTube clip of it everytime you boot your computer. There is also better than PSN subscription models if you think you will miss a monthly game but then Xbox Live also has that. You also have better deals on PC. Not sure what exactly it is people prefer hence I don't understand it.
And I already said what I think of the games.
Luckydog
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In what world has Phil ever delivered on this dream? The X1S and X1X look like great pieces of hardware, but Phil has had enough time on software and just hasnt come through.
Colbert
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As a Xbox One owner I am not convinced on the holiday AAA exclusives too this year.
But that doesn't mean I don't have any exclusives to play.
My backlog is so huge that I still (yes I know how dare I am) have to play Ryse and Sunset Overdrive. I also never touched Halo 5 multiplayer so far or Gears of War 4. Gears 4 because I holding back to play it in 2160p the other because there were other games I wanted to play first.
The only thing I really wish from MS is to have some more quality RPGs (especially JRPGs) which were much more prominent on the 360! (Still hoping for a Lost Odyssey 2)!
But that doesn't mean I don't have any exclusives to play.
My backlog is so huge that I still (yes I know how dare I am) have to play Ryse and Sunset Overdrive. I also never touched Halo 5 multiplayer so far or Gears of War 4. Gears 4 because I holding back to play it in 2160p the other because there were other games I wanted to play first.
The only thing I really wish from MS is to have some more quality RPGs (especially JRPGs) which were much more prominent on the 360! (Still hoping for a Lost Odyssey 2)!
Phil was supposed to have games done in 3 years since he took over? And yet games like Nioh (2005), The Last Guardian (1972) are allowed 12 years development time.
Good to know.
Luckydog
Member
I always love seeing these unicorn people who buy a system for Everybody's Golf and Yakuza Kiwami...
Plenty of great stuff on PS4 to buy the system for, but to go over the moon for some of these minor games..... Jesus. Hell, you could have played powerstar golf on the XB1 4 years ago if you needed cartoony golf that bad.
You know there was a spike in Xbox sales as people were waiting for VooDoo Vince right? Right? Right!!
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You're right.
My problem is when I see fanboy nonsense from the same familiar characters, I'll be blunt about their platform of choice. That certainly doesn't help anything.
Switch does have a decent library for a young console, and solid exclusives (in my eyes) like Mario X Rabbids are hitting.
Well that's the problem. If certain insiders are to be believed, MS isn't really doing this and their last several E3 showings have backed up these claims.
Luckydog
Member
You can pick the extremes of games all you want, but i would wager that MOST games take about 3 years to develop. The fact that he should have been OVER developing games in 2014 to compensate for the launch means that even with cancellations or delays there should have been better output this year.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Xbox is definitely missing that big holiday title this year (the Halo/Gears slot), but with the new console coming out feels like I'm buying more on Xbox this year via 3rd parties.
I can forgive them since its a transition time and really nothing can be worse then Sony Holiday 2014 (little big planet and that's it really?).
I can forgive them since its a transition time and really nothing can be worse then Sony Holiday 2014 (little big planet and that's it really?).
CerebralTiger
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Nekketsu Kõha;245823812 said:
I prefer the games, of course. A large percentage of the ones I've enjoyed over the last few years are only available on Playstation and Nintendo platforms.
Also Microsoft pretty much canned any development outside their core trio of titles halfway through the last gen. that is some serious rot to stop. It's clear they expected to continue creaming off the third party support - whack out launch window support and sit back - and Sony stealing a March wasn't anywhere in the script. So now they've got no first party stuff on the go, third party is limited at best and they've got a machine coming out that will do next to nothing in addressing the market share issue in the face of three cheaper competitors playing pretty much the same catalogues.
They only thing they can do is start getting games on the go, not expecting each one to be some GOTY sales monster and get that catalogue looking attractive.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Actually, Playground isn't small anymore, they opened a new studio office.
Also like i said, they can jump from work with MS to Sony then back to MS then back to Sony and loop and maybe even start work with Nintendo or any 3rd publishers, it's fine and no one is "losing" here.
What Microsoft is currently lacking in exclusive AAA games, they have made up for in services (for me at least). I would take backwards compatibility, EA Access and Game Pass over all of those exclusive games OP mentioned.
And, if you are going to talk about missing exclusives, I think the most important one (in North America at least) that MS is missing is a AAA licensed baseball game. All the talk of Japanese exclusives, and every person I know who has chosen PS4 over Xbox is because of MLB the Show.
And, if you are going to talk about missing exclusives, I think the most important one (in North America at least) that MS is missing is a AAA licensed baseball game. All the talk of Japanese exclusives, and every person I know who has chosen PS4 over Xbox is because of MLB the Show.
I would beg to differ. New games FROM SCRATCH, that are "AAA" do...and SHOULD take longer than 3 years.
64bitbros
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Did i miss a Crash PC or xbox announcement? Can i get a link on that?
Coulomb_Barrier
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Ha ha. Or are you being serious?
funkystudent
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I kinda dug it when video game Twitter was all over Zelda, horizon, persona and Neir and every now and then some official Xbox person would send out a "hey guys, Tom Clancy's Wildlands!!" Tweet
Give War A Chance
Member
Bruh.
Let's wait until E3 2019 before we start complaining about a system that came out in 2013?
What?
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Not saying you do but many people underestimate how much Kinect and its failure hurt Microsoft and the Xbox. I'm sure there is a graveyard at MS HQ with failed Kinect titles and projects.
While it was awhile ago they removed that from the console it doesn't change overnight. It takes years and I think with the new Xbox and next year they are finally back on track again.