That's apparently what happened with Paul George, IE they had agreed upon something as long as the Celtics got Hayward, and then they would do the trade, but the Pacers jumped the gun
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Cavaliers have traded Kyrie Irving for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante ii, & pick
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That's apparently what happened with Paul George, IE they had agreed upon something as long as the Celtics got Hayward, and then they would do the trade, but the Pacers jumped the gun
Dr_LawyerCop
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For as much as the Cavs front office was justifiably shit on this offseason, it's unbelievable that they got this much. I think they're better now, more prepared for the future (with or without LeBron), and saved money. Kyrie is an offensive genius but IT was better last season. I'm surprised this is the move that the Celts made. It's not terrible for them, but I feel like they could have had PG or Butler for less. And I don't know who the Celts were competing with, no other teams were great fits for a trade.
TangoAlphaLima
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Oladipo and Sabonis were worth pulling the trigger early? The Pacers don't know what the heck they're doing...
BlackGhost
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BeCleveing season is starting early
Ninja Scooter
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Magic hacked their computers they had no choice.
We like to think in our hypotheticals that owners/GMs are sensible and make only the best deal they can (unless its the Knicks), but often real trades are stranger
I think IT has maxed out how good he is gonna be, Irving is gonna get better
I think its a good trade for both teams
Nobody got hosed in this trade like the PG13 and Bulter trades
If you want a franchise player your suppose to give up a lot, I have no idea what the Bulls and Pacers were thinking
I think its a good trade for both teams
Nobody got hosed in this trade like the PG13 and Bulter trades
If you want a franchise player your suppose to give up a lot, I have no idea what the Bulls and Pacers were thinking
Ninja Scooter
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Kyrie's not a franchise player. Also there is like no guarantee that Kyrie is going to get all that better. He wouldnt' exactly be the first player who peaked at 25. It's not like the guy is 19.
This is a really good deal for the Cavs in just about every conceivable way. They got better in the immediate term, they started to prepare for life after LeBron if he leaves, and they actually increased their chances of convincing him to return, especially if that pick turns into the first overall or they decide to package it for another star.
CreeperBlocks
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How the hell did Cleveland convince Boston to give them the Brooklyn 1st round pick? Unprotected even.
That opening night game is going to be lit.
That opening night game is going to be lit.
How is Kyrie not a franchise player? He's an elite player, he's been with LeBron and went toe to toe with him helping carry the Cavs, he has come up big in big games puts up the numbers.
I dont know what your definition of a franchise player is but if its a guy who can carry team to the finals then LeBron James is the only Franchise player in the NBA
Franchise player to me is Box office, can take his team to the playoffs year end and year out and puts up numbers.
And i'm not holding Krying first few years as not being able to take a team to the playoffs when he had Anthey freaking Bennet
NervousXtian
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IT and Crowder is a good deal for the Cavs.. the Nets pick on top of it? They made out like bandits.
What the fuck is Danny doing there? A pretty damn good team last year returns 4 fucking players this year?
They are going to miss some of those guys too.. and I honestly don't think the combo of Horford/Haywood/Irving really makes them all that much better than they were last year.
IT is a bad defender, but so is Kyrie... on offense they are pretty equal.. but I also think at running the point in a true sense Kryie is pretty bad. I think Isaiah can run a true PG, and I think he'll play well off of LeBron.
The Crowder pick up is solid too.. and who knows about that euro dude. The 18 pick that could be top 3 in what looks to be a solid draft... Danny got fleeced.
What the fuck is Danny doing there? A pretty damn good team last year returns 4 fucking players this year?
They are going to miss some of those guys too.. and I honestly don't think the combo of Horford/Haywood/Irving really makes them all that much better than they were last year.
IT is a bad defender, but so is Kyrie... on offense they are pretty equal.. but I also think at running the point in a true sense Kryie is pretty bad. I think Isaiah can run a true PG, and I think he'll play well off of LeBron.
The Crowder pick up is solid too.. and who knows about that euro dude. The 18 pick that could be top 3 in what looks to be a solid draft... Danny got fleeced.
Elegant Weapon
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The Nets pick makes this a very solid ass haul for a player that asked to be trade. It's the exact kinda trade we said we wanted to make, vet players for now and lottery pick for the future.
Still can't believe Kyrie really so petty though. I get Bron be on some shit with the team/Gilbert but damn. I'm not huge on Crowder but IT really is one of the most exciting players in the league and a clutch player
Remember, Irving and Thomas were the first and last players of their draft class.
Still can't believe Kyrie really so petty though. I get Bron be on some shit with the team/Gilbert but damn. I'm not huge on Crowder but IT really is one of the most exciting players in the league and a clutch player
Remember, Irving and Thomas were the first and last players of their draft class.
Ninja Scooter
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Franchise players are, to me, guys that can be the best players on a championship contending team. I don't see Kyrie as that. He's too much of a chucker/iso player, and his defense is horawful. He's probably not even a top 15 player in the league.
The "box office" part is exactly why Kyrie is overrated. He's flashy and sells a lot of shoes so people think that puts him in the elite tier with the other guys who are flashy and sell a lot of shoes.
Damn, it's hard to not to think the Cavs won this trade by a lot. Makes them better in the short term with both IT and Crowder and potentially better in the future with the brooklyn pick. And Kyrie only got two years left on his deal?
Bulls should be kicking themselves. Both Jimmy and Kyrie have two years left and look at the difference in return.
Bulls should be kicking themselves. Both Jimmy and Kyrie have two years left and look at the difference in return.
The trade would be better, but still bad.
There are other teams in the East much worse than the Nets. Unless their entire roster gets injured, I doubt they turn out to be the first pick.
Bulls, Hawks, Magic, Pacers all have the potential to be worse, among others
Frozenprince
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Yo how'd I miss this.
Danny dun got robbed for a guy that won't help them beat the Cavs this year. Can't believe he gave up that Nets pick.
Danny dun got robbed for a guy that won't help them beat the Cavs this year. Can't believe he gave up that Nets pick.
Trade is wild but fair. How the Nets pick swings and what the Cavs do with it probably determines who "wins" - could be trade bait for another great player that convinces LeBron to stay, Nets could be sneaky good and the pick ends up in the late lottery while IT and LBJ walk.
I'm a big believer in Isaiah, hope he kills it on the Cavs. They're still the favorites if healthy. Very interested to see what Brad Stevens can do with this new roster though, now and in the future.
I'm a big believer in Isaiah, hope he kills it on the Cavs. They're still the favorites if healthy. Very interested to see what Brad Stevens can do with this new roster though, now and in the future.
I disagree with the value argument.
Kyrie's 25 and before his prime, literally carried the Cavs through cold stretches during the last 3 postseasons, demolishing the entire GS backcourt hitting gamewinners after gamewinners, and if the latest chatter holds ground, he's willing to commit to Boston beyond his 2019 deal.
IT demands a max deal after his current one ends this summer, and Ainge was reluctant to give 100+ million for 4+ year to a 5'9 guy who's a terrible defender and gets stuck in the playoffs, coming off the season with a hip injury. Danny did the same thing with AB too. Would you pay Bradley max money? I wouldn't.
Crowder also became irrelevant after Hayward acquisition and Brown can easily fill his minutes, especially in defense. Zizic hasn't stepped to a single NBA game yet and looked mediocre at best in Summer League against bum players.
This is a megaton deal for Boston for sure, and a huge bet for Cleveland. More than anything, question should be if IT can maintain his last year's production finding touches among Lebron-Love, or his last season was just an once in a blue moon performance.
Honestly i can't see how CLE gets better or BOS get worse after this deal. We are probably be talking about the steal of the century right here.
Dr_LawyerCop
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Even if the pick lands at 5, they'll land a stud in next years draft. And they'll now have an outside chance at winning the lottery. It's a great asset.
wumster3000
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To the people that like this trade, do you think this puts the closer to beating the Warriors? Because I don't. I think the Warriors drub them again. And I think it will be worse than 2017.
Frozenprince
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I just don't get how THIS was the deal that moved the Brooklyn pick.
Shin K Dash
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Idk... I do not like this trade for Boston.
I think Washington will be facing off in Eastern Finals this year
I think Washington will be facing off in Eastern Finals this year
Red Blaster
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friskykillface
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MVP Jaylen Brown is future 🐐
Ainge should have got the real Cavs MVP, JR Smith
Ainge should have got the real Cavs MVP, JR Smith
Both teams got worse on defense.
C's lost Bradley, Crowder
Cavs added Crowder, but anyone who matches up against IT has a huge advantage (esp. if your name is Curry, Durant, and Klay)
Ninja Scooter
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IT and Kyrie extensions don't factor into the value. You don't have to give IT an extension. You also have no guarantees that Kyrie resigns. That's not how value in these cases is assessed. Hypothetical extensions are not assets.
Also it always makes me laugh when people say stuff like "kyrie isn't even in his prime!". He's 26, in his 6th year, has had multiple injuries, and just put together the best season of his career. What is he in now if not his prime? Do you expect him to get significantly better? Like, what the hell do you guys think the average NBA player career arc looks like? Most guys are as good as they are going to be at this age.
I agree that its still a great asset in terms of likely getting the lottery, but definitely not winning the lottery unless its some .7% bullshit.
This is fucking madness
The Celtics definitely got better since the playoffs, no way Washington goes past them
This is madness too, He barely got minutes last season because he was a rookie and we have multiple forwards, but his development has been great. He's an offensive machine and pretty good on defense too. He's not LeBron but he's definitely not "asscrap". Otherwise we would've given him to the Cavs, not the pick.
ZedLeppelin006
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My initial reaction was this being good for the celtics but considering all they gave up for someone who is maybe an improvement offensively compared to IT but is a wash on the defensive side, then perhaps not.
As long as this still leads to lebron leaving for my Lakers, I'm good with this.
As long as this still leads to lebron leaving for my Lakers, I'm good with this.
wow, boston gave up a LOT for Kyrie......especially since IT is probably as near as him offensively. Crowder and the nets pick?????
Damn, Boston got fleeced!!!!
and somehow Danny couldn't get butler but fucking gave up this for Kyrie?
Danny, you're a fucking idiot
AW shit here we go, Kevin Love trade with the pick for Carmelo
its happening, Wade going to get bought out and go to Cleveland as well
Damn, Boston got fleeced!!!!
and somehow Danny couldn't get butler but fucking gave up this for Kyrie?
Danny, you're a fucking idiot
AW shit here we go, Kevin Love trade with the pick for Carmelo
its happening, Wade going to get bought out and go to Cleveland as well
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By that logic IT had his breakout year at 28, and you don't expect Kyrie to get significantly better at 25? And even if last year's was his "better" season, he actually did it by sharing the load with two superstars. And you just take what is best available on the market, and with that trade you get playoff leadership and a better player overall who is a proven playoff contributor. Danny did that and moved the Brinks truck situation to CLE site along with an injured 5'9 guard coming of a dark horse season. I'm fine with that.
Shin K Dash
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well then LOL
TwntyOneTwlv
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So sad to see Kyrie go. He's my favorite NBA player. The Shot will forever remain the biggest moment of my life as a Cleveland sports fan.
Good luck to you in Boston, you crazy flat earther. We still gonna sweep the Celtics in the ECF. Much love ❤️
Good luck to you in Boston, you crazy flat earther. We still gonna sweep the Celtics in the ECF. Much love ❤️
This is an asscrap NBA assessment right there bruh
ForsakenLotus
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Don't really understand this trade for Boston. Kyrie is an upgrade over Isiah, but it's not a big upgrade. They are very similar ball dominant almost pure scorers that are really bad on defense. And for Boston to make a marginal upgrade at "PG" they give away a good defensive role player in Crowder and a valuable pick for bolstering a Celtics team post-LeBron. I think they are slightly worse this year and their future isn't quite as good. If Jalen Brown becomes the player they hoped he would be could replace Crowder, although he didn't show me a lot last year.
If Brown becomes Crowder soon then this trade isn't as bad.
If Brown becomes Crowder soon then this trade isn't as bad.
Frozenprince
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I can already hear Boston sports radio prepping the damage control tomorrow on how this is a great deal because now they're finally "cashing in on the assets to win now".
Y'all couldnt do that even when we didn't have IT and you had Kyrie
What makes you think you can sweep us now
By giving the ball to Kyrie Irving in the playoffs when games matter.
Shin K Dash
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and dont forget about Jason
Frozenprince
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Yeah ISO ball! Cause a team that was already defensively deficient losing all it's best defensive players relying on pure offense to win certainly won't struggle against teams that have more balance.
Jmanunknown
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Isiah Thomas was 467 out of 468 in defensive plus minus rating. Putting Isiah Thomas on with a team that also has Kyle Korver who was 452 and back up point guard Derrick Rose who was 442. Isiah Thomas is a great offensive player but his defense is so bad it literally makes him a liability.