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[JigglesBunny]

I understand how easy it is to take gender-based approach to this and I'm sure plenty have already but the bottom line is that she simply is nowhere near as talented as Dave or Chris, therefore, her pay should match the level of the product she releases.

I mean, fantastic for her that she netted a bigger payday but she simply doesn't have the same clout as Dave or Chris. She didn't really earn that kind of payday for such a poor stand-up special.

 

[Peltz]

Why? They are much better than her tbh

Once upon a time they were indeed better than her. But those two guys are no longer in their prime and aren't as good at their craft as they used to be.

 

[Exodust]

If she were a man, videos like this wouldn't be happening.

Not sure if you've been alive this past decade but Carlos Mencia and Dane Cook were criticized for it left and right. Didn't help that both were terrible comics in general.

I have no doubt that Amy Schumer receives a bit more scrutiny because she's a woman, but accusations of joke stealing isn't purely misogynistic.

 

[otake]

She's nowhere near as accomplished or popular as Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock.

If she got paid less than Marc Maron, yeah that would be a problem. She's a lot better more popular than Marc Maron.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

How dare she successfully negotiate! Doesn't she realize she's not as good as Chappelle and Rock?!!?

That's not a successful negotiation. She signed the contract at 11 million dollars and then went back to the table even though there were no seats.

You don't negotiate by signing the contract first.

 

[legacyzero]

Once upon a time they were indeed better than her. But those two guys are no longer in their prime and aren't as good at their craft as they used to be.

But thats not even true though. Chappelle just put out two gigantic specials that did amazingly well. It isn't about "prime" when you still bring your A-game.

 

[Professor Beef]

Not sure if you've been alive this past decade but Carlos Mencia and Dane Cook were criticized for it left and right. Didn't help that both were terrible comics in general.

I have no doubt that Amy Schumer receives a bit more scrutiny because she's a woman, but accusations of joke stealing isn't purely misogynistic.

Dane is nowhere near comparable to what Mencia did.

 

[legacyzero]

Dane is nowhere near comparable to what Mencia did.

Man, Mencia fucking VANISHED 😂😂

 

[see5harp]

It's pretty obvious the majority of people here are upset because they do not consider her to be a good comic but are perfectly fine with her getting paid if the numbers support her stance. I do not think anyone here has expressed any response that makes it seem like our "safe male space" feels threatened. Jesus.

 

[Peotical Injection]

Shes pretty terrible, but sure you can ask whatever you feel you are worth. I personally don't think that hot garbage she put out on Netflix is even worth 11 million. Was a fan until I saw all the evidence of her joke stealing. Still love Trainwreck.

 

[Nairume]

But thats not even true though. Chappelle just put out two gigantic specials that did amazingly well. It isn't about "prime" when you still bring your A-game.

There's still a pretty big gap between the Chappelle having a successful return to standup and two really well received specials and the Chappelle who had those on top of a wildly popular TV series, a beloved cult film, and a reasonable acting career.

Which, in his defense, he actively made the choice to and it is absolutely commendable for him to (temporarily) cut out while he was at the top of his game. He's clearly jumped back in successfully and better than any other comedian probably could in that scenario, but let's not pretend that the spot he's in now is better than what he was in before he quit.

 

[Exodust]

Dane is nowhere near comparable to what Mencia did.

Oh for sure, just naming the most well known examples.

 

[legacyzero]

There's still a pretty big gap between the Chappelle having a successful return to standup and two really well received specials and the Chappelle who had those on top of a wildly popular TV series, a beloved cult film, and a reasonable acting career.

Which, in his defense, he actively made the choice to and it is absolutely commendable for him to (temporarily) cut out while he was at the top of his game. He's clearly jumped back in successfully and better than any other comedian probably could in that scenario, but let's not pretend that the spot he's in now is better than what he was in before he quit.

Oh I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that his special did amazingly. I loved them too.

If anything, I'd also say that Dave's return played a huge role in the success of his specials. I mean, how many specials has he done since he "came back" have been televised or streamed?

 

[Nairume]

If anything, I'd also say that Dave's return played a huge role in the success of his specials. I mean, how many specials has he done since he "came back" have been televised or streamed?

I imagine that is pretty integral to the success of his Netflix special. Unless you are going to catch one of his live shows, there's no other way to see it due to him understandably being very particular about his shows not being recorded.

 

[KillLaCam]

Not about what you think about her, but how many views she gets. Same with Adam Sandler.

That's actually surprising. But he's no Chris Rock either. But for this specific thing I agree

 

[Fisty]

It's pretty obvious the majority of people here are upset because they do not consider her to be a good comic but are perfectly fine with her getting paid if the numbers support her stance. I do not think anyone here has expressed any response that makes it seem like our "safe male space" feels threatened. Jesus.

Yeah for sure, if she pulled numbers then good on her, she deserves the money. But as a comedian ive barely heard of, she's gonna need to explain why she deserves the same amount of money as a guy that had the best selling DVDs of all time at one point and a guy with multiple Grammys and starring roles in huge movies, both who have been doing comedy for DECADES

 

[Nairume]

But as a comedian ive barely heard of, she's gonna need to explain why she deserves the same amount of money as a guy that had the best selling DVDs of all time at one point and a guy with multiple Grammys and starring roles in huge movies, both who have been doing comedy for DECADES

For starters, like Rock, she's also won an Emmy for her comedy and has also had the lead role in a very successful comedy.

 

[Fisty]

For starters, like Rock, she's also won an Emmy for her comedy and has also had the lead role in a very successful comedy.

Do I really need to list out Chris Rock's accomplishments? They are on completely different levels.

 

[Nairume]

Do I really need to list out Chris Rock's accomplishments? They are on completely different levels.

No, I'm more than aware of Rock's accomplishments and know that people who has been around for over twice as long as Schumer will obviously have more.

My point is that, in a considerably shorter time, she's undeniably built up a very respectable resume of accomplishments which you were demanding to know.

 

[Professor Beef]

Man, Mencia fucking VANISHED 😂😂

It helps that Dane buried things with CK and didn't make a career out of stealing jokes in general. Mencia actually bragged about that shit. Called himself a "remixer" or some shit.

 

[a916]

Once upon a time they were indeed better than her. But those two guys are no longer in their prime and aren't as good at their craft as they used to be.

More people will still, regardless, watch them, than her. (and Chapelle's specials had a better reception).

 

[kinggroin]

Was there no way to find out beforehand what her peers we're being paid, and then negotiate based on that?

 

[enzo_gt]

Schumer apologists not knowing about the scale of what Mencia went through is.. less of a surprise to me now as it is kind of a really beautiful, full-circle irony that works on so many levels, now that I think about it.

Schumer did it the smart way and took from lesser known comics whose voices had more limited reach, made friends with all the big ones that could have the power to call her out, and switched up the jokes more than Mencia did. Comedic Shang Tsung, maybe she's top tier off of that alone and deserves top dollar for being that resilient and a "known quantity."

But again, and I think it's important we're fair to Schumer and consider the alternative possibility: It's possible she's just got a lot of really generic and bland material. All just coincidences. Many coincidences over many years for many moments of unfunny. But I guess if it's just that she's not funny, we can label this whole thing subjective and it doesn't matter. Great artists steal, get that money, fight/hustle the system, etc.

 

[Bluenoser]

To the board with some of you. Keep writing until you understand.

Enough people obviously like her that she does very well, and if she wants to complain to Netflix that she should get paid more, power to her, but this particular special - the one she demanded the higher pay for, was really bad. I got my wife to watch it with me because I told her how Schumer was pretty funny, and I looked like an asshole 3 minutes into the act. For the next 30 minutes of "wait, it will get better" we sat there, cringing at the lines she was delivering, going on and on about sexual experiences gone awry (wow Amy, way to break out some original shit), until I was forced to bail and shut it down before all of my credibility for recommending funny content was shot.

I used to like her- I thought her Comedy Central show, while weird, was pretty funny in a "don't give a fuck" type of way, but I don't know what happened to her once she got really big. It's like she went with the easiest jokes she could, and thought it would be enough to satisfy people. So if she's not going to put in the work to deliver an entertaining, funny show, why should she get paid more?

 

[excelsiorlef]

That's not a successful negotiation. She signed the contract at 11 million dollars and then went back to the table even though there were no seats.

You don't negotiate by signing the contract first.

She already got more money... like this has already happened. So yes it was a successful negotiation.

 

[entremet]

Lol she doesn't deserve it, fuck this and fuck her

She deserves how much she gets and negotiated for.

Take a negotiation course. This is a good one:

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/negotiation.html

Kinda weird responses here. Much of the gender income gap comes from the fact that women are less to negotiate compensation compared to men. Here, a well known and popular comic does it, and she's getting tarred and feathered.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

That's not a successful negotiation. She signed the contract at 11 million dollars and then went back to the table even though there were no seats.

You don't negotiate by signing the contract first.

Did you even read the OP? Or shit the paragraph long snippet of the OP i referenced in the post you quoted?

 

[uncredited male]

This is totally going to screw up Netflix's salary cap.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

So if she's not going to put in the work to deliver an entertaining, funny show, why should she get paid more?

If she can convince Netflix that an hour of her sitting in an empty theater, doing nothing but eating popcorn and checking her mentions on Twitter while not saying a word, will get as many views as the funniest comedy special of all time, and Netflix is willing to pay her handsomely and comparably to said comedy special, then she has earned it.

 

[Lunaray]

I guess I'm in the minority that thinks she's pretty funny (though that particular comedy special was bad). I'm not going to beat the dead horse that everyone here has already jumped on that it doesn't matter what you think she is funny or not. I just think there's some hypocrisy when people make arguments against her based on the quality of her work, but then is fine when Adam Sandler gets much more money to make terrible problematic movies. I've also yet to see non-anecdotal evidence that she's not as in demand as Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle.

 

[Peltz]

But thats not even true though. Chappelle just put out two gigantic specials that did amazingly well. It isn't about "prime" when you still bring your A-game.

Those shows were boring. He's not even a shadow of his former self.

 

[chromatic9]

Enough people obviously like her that she does very well, and if she wants to complain to Netflix that she should get paid more, power to her, but this particular special - the one she demanded the higher pay for, was really bad.

So if she's not going to put in the work to deliver an entertaining, funny show, why should she get paid more?

If hardly anyone watches her next show then Netflix can say no thanks. Right now it's anecdotal subjective views. Perhaps people tune in just to say how terrible she is or perhaps she has a very notable draw to US audiences at least, or both. Netflix wouldn't be paying her 10 million already if she was a waste to them, if few are watching and thought of as ten a penny.

Netflix will pay what they can get away with alongside what they think she's worth for viewer/subs,

 

[entremet]

Those shows were boring. He's not even a shadow of his former self.

I loved his Radio City Music Hall Show. Did you see it?

I thought he was still very good.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

It's pretty obvious the majority of people here are upset because they do not consider her to be a good comic but are perfectly fine with her getting paid if the numbers support her stance. I do not think anyone here has expressed any response that makes it seem like our "safe male space" feels threatened. Jesus.

Gaf has an incredible victim complex when it comes to literally any social issue right now, esp in the States so it's not surprising to see so many posts that derive into that shit show. However,

Good for her. Overestimating your skills and value, and demanding more compensation shouldn't be an exclusively male behavior

this is on the money. If she gets it, good on her.

 

[Lord Fagan]

I won't get suckered into the she-hasn't-earned-it noise.

What we tolerate, we validate. The only people bitching about a talented female stranger getting paid aren't adapting to the 21st century. Organisms that can't adapt to changing environments don't often stand the test of time.

 

[macfoshizzle]

yeah i dont see this about being female or male. she is just not in par with them. chris rock and chappelle is on another tier

 

[Depths of Orion]

I honestly don't think she deserves more than she got for that special. It was absolute garbage and there are women that are far more deserving of that kind of money.

Also, she steals jokes and I have no respect for people like that.

 

[itsgreen]

If they pay it, she's worth it. Pretty simple.

 

[Despera]

Once upon a time they were indeed better than her. But those two guys are no longer in their prime and aren't as good at their craft as they used to be.

Schumer at her supposed prime isn't as good as those guys at their worst. That speaks volumes about the quality of her work.

If pay is based on quality then Ali Wong sbould be paid at least triple whatever Schumer is getting.

 

[pbayne]

Irrelevant to Netflix's spending priorities in a year where Adam Sandler pulled down $50 million.

wow that's crazy.

 

[legacyzero]

Those shows were boring. He's not even a shadow of his former self.

Opinions and all that. Netflix numbers show otherwise

 

[IsntChrisL]

She's no Chris Rock or Chappelle. Not even close.

 

[mckmas8808]

She isn't as popular as them but also wouldn't have the oppurtunity to be

She's also not as good as they are either.

 

[Pandaman]

If she were a man, videos like this wouldn't be happening.

Carlos Mencia

 

[lupinko]

While I don't think she has the same comedic chops as Chappelle or Rock, if she puts enough butts in the seats or in front of a Netflix device, then it's her right to do so.

I see her more on the Kevin Hart level, and that guy brings in lots of people too.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I find Iliza Schlesinger to be way funnier than Schumer as far as current female stand-ups, and Iliza is basically female Dane Cook.

Iliza is great.

 

[perfectchaos007]

I would be surprised if Schumer herself negotiated the deal. In hollywood, 99.9% of the time, their managers and/or agents negotiate pay with the networks for their talent. Are we sure Schumer herself took this into her own hands? Talent rarely gets involved in negotiations.

Iliza is great.

I enjoyed Iliza's most recent special 10x more than Schumers. Iliza has quite the lexicon too

 

[adamsappel]

Amy Schumer is very popular. She's a national spokesperson for Old Navy and Bud Light (in spite of her act being very sexual). She was going to star as Barbie!

Keep in mind, humor is subjective, and I remember a thread mentioning Maria Bamford saying she wasn't that funny, and that is objectively false, Maria Bamford is one of the funniest comedians alive and if this was a thread about Maria Bamford trying to fight for better pay, people would be saying a lot of the same comments.

Maria Bamford is hilarious, but about as niche and polarizing as it gets. She probably deserves more money than she gets, but it's a harder argument to make.

This is a /s post right? Cause Carlos mencias career was ruined due to joke stealing. At one time in his life he was the most popular comedian in the world.

We'd be better off slagging on Robin Williams, who was the most infamous joke thief of all. Some comics wouldn't perform if he was in the audience, lest their signature joke end up in his act or on a late-night show.

Wasn't she making Mexican rape jokes a few years ago?

Chris Rock started his career with a date rape joke.

 

[cordy]

Well well well, time for some people to do some backpedaling

Amy Schumer says she doesn't deserve to be paid as much as Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle.

Exactly what I was saying. There's a difference between men and women having equal pay and Amy Schumer having equal pay to Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle.

#ChrisandDavearedaGOATs

 

[demosthenes]

Came to see if that was posted and really interesting how this thread had 0 responses after it was posted.

edit: Check the last post on the last page if your'e a filthy 50 pps like myself.