Comedians have consistently defended her from those allegations. They don't need honk she steals jokes, and comedians hate joke thieves.
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Comedians have consistently defended her from those allegations. They don't need honk she steals jokes, and comedians hate joke thieves.
Eyemus Lutt
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All of Amy's shows and movies have been trash and her stand up can be decent at times. I'd put her on the same level as Aziz where he's good in small doses on Parks and Rec and has 1 or 2 good stand up bits but nothing else.
I would never put those 2 in the same league as Chris, Jerry and Dave.
I would never put those 2 in the same league as Chris, Jerry and Dave.
Comedians have defended her from the dogpiling, harassment and sexism she has received on social media in response to the allegations (allegations, by the way, from other comedians), and there is definitely hate-because-she's-a-woman aspect of it, not that she was pretty much carbon copying sketches from MADTV. Unless I'm mistaken, and there are comedians who have defended that as well.
Admittedly, it's a gray topic because in any art there's the chance that what you've done has been done before (hence the "parallel thinking" stuff when the smaller comedians were pressured by Schumer and others to withdraw their allegations), but it's very rare when it happens so many times for one comedian. The way the story unfolded should make anyone skeptical, either of her or her writers.
Aziz only has one mode, really. Going through Parks and Rec now and he's fantastic IMO, but his stand up is super up and down. I like the guy, but I'm not sure of how he can expand himself. Master of None shows some range, but it was way more of a drama to me TBH.
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Why do comedians keep on defending her, then? Don't they hate joke thieves? Is it some liberal feminist comedian illuminati?!
Jim Norton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDjvpHG2NRI&feature=youtu.be
Marc Maron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djm7iuv18CM
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/30/10874906/marc-maron-amy-schumer
Marc Maron: "It's a one-liner, who gives a fuck? If someone's hanging on to a 20-year-old one-liner as being this essential part of her oeuvre — that's crazy. One-liners are disposable," he said (the comments begin around the six-minute mark).
Maron systematically dismissed each recanted charge against Schumer, and then explained what he believes is really going on: misogyny. Maron shared a little of his own experience with misogynistic fans and said that he ultimately had to change the comments section of his site because it would flare up into an ugly, septic mess whenever a female guest would appear on his show.
"Garbage, slander, violence, just nasty shit — just a string of anonymous monsters. That was the pattern," he said. "They're all dudes who champion this thing [the Amy Schumer joke-stealing controversy]. This has nothing to do with justice. This is about annihilating a woman ... they put a lot of work into it — to the point where they manipulated my words to suit their agenda and get that through."
The "monsters" Maron referred to weren't the three women who briefly accused Schumer of stealing their jokes, but rather the people behind the slew of spliced YouTube videos that have been cropping up in the aftermath of the initial (now-recanted) allegations. There have even been some reports that Schumer stole from Maron.
"What is happening with Amy, it has nothing to do with justice and nothing to do with comedy," Maron said. "This is about hate. It's about anger. It's about women-bashing. And it's this contingent of culture ... Amy Schumer is just a fucking comic. Amy is an entertainer. And she's the real deal whether you like her jokes or not."
Maron systematically dismissed each recanted charge against Schumer, and then explained what he believes is really going on: misogyny. Maron shared a little of his own experience with misogynistic fans and said that he ultimately had to change the comments section of his site because it would flare up into an ugly, septic mess whenever a female guest would appear on his show.
"Garbage, slander, violence, just nasty shit — just a string of anonymous monsters. That was the pattern," he said. "They're all dudes who champion this thing [the Amy Schumer joke-stealing controversy]. This has nothing to do with justice. This is about annihilating a woman ... they put a lot of work into it — to the point where they manipulated my words to suit their agenda and get that through."
The "monsters" Maron referred to weren't the three women who briefly accused Schumer of stealing their jokes, but rather the people behind the slew of spliced YouTube videos that have been cropping up in the aftermath of the initial (now-recanted) allegations. There have even been some reports that Schumer stole from Maron.
"What is happening with Amy, it has nothing to do with justice and nothing to do with comedy," Maron said. "This is about hate. It's about anger. It's about women-bashing. And it's this contingent of culture ... Amy Schumer is just a fucking comic. Amy is an entertainer. And she's the real deal whether you like her jokes or not."
Joe Rogan and Hannibal Buress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA5PDh-9hjk#t=22m53s
http://www.enstarz.com/articles/138...eft-joe-rogan-defends-trainwreck-comedian.htm
You probably know Rogan best as the host of Fear Factor in the early 2000s, but he's a powerful voice in the comedy world. Rogan's been actively doing stand-up since 1989 and famously confronted comedian Carlos Mencia in a 2007 video for he was called a "vigilante of comedy" for the incident. He's also something of demagogue of anti-feminism and men's rights (although, he's not very extreme).
So Rogan weighing on Amy Schumer's "joke stealing" is important. And yesterday on his podcast, talking with guest and fellow comedian Hannibal Buress, that's he pretty much defended her.
Here's what he said:
"I think the real issue is whoever wrote for the sketch show."
Rogan thinks the most egregious instances of similar jokes were the ones involving sketches from Schumer's Comedy Central show Inside Amy Schumer. For Rogan, the issue is with the writers on the show, not Schumer herself. Any of the similarities from her standup act only can be excused as parallel thinking.
"There's so much content out there today!"
Wondering why Schumer didn't catch writers possibly plagiarizing on her show? Rogan explains that idea away by noting the vast amount of places from which to steal jokes, including standup specials, TV shows andweb shows.
"That sh*t happens all the time"
According to Rogan, who has more than 25 years' experience in show business, comedy show writers stealing from standup comedians is nothing new. "Writers would hang out in the back [of the Comedy Store]," he says "and then those sketches would appear on television!"
"I don't think you can make her necessarily responsible for those sketches"
Rogan admits there's an "originality problem" with Schumer's show, but then asks "who's problem is it?" For him, you can't blame Schumer for not noticing plagiarized content being pitched to her for her show. There's no real way to catch it all.
"There's a fire right now after her"
Can the accusations all be fueled by Schumer's sudden stratospheric climb to fame? "She's a movie star now. She'd doing arena tours," Rogan admits. "People want to knock her down because she's taken off so high."
"She's f**cking funny"
Rogan's biggest exoneration of Schumer is the fact that she doesn't need to steal other people's jokes to be funny. "She's sharp, she's smart, she's ambitious!" exclaims Rogan.
"Comics like her"
Schumer is a comic's comic. Many in the comedy world, including Rogan, like and respect her. "If she were anybody else," according to Rogan, "people would want her head."
So Rogan weighing on Amy Schumer's "joke stealing" is important. And yesterday on his podcast, talking with guest and fellow comedian Hannibal Buress, that's he pretty much defended her.
Here's what he said:
"I think the real issue is whoever wrote for the sketch show."
Rogan thinks the most egregious instances of similar jokes were the ones involving sketches from Schumer's Comedy Central show Inside Amy Schumer. For Rogan, the issue is with the writers on the show, not Schumer herself. Any of the similarities from her standup act only can be excused as parallel thinking.
"There's so much content out there today!"
Wondering why Schumer didn't catch writers possibly plagiarizing on her show? Rogan explains that idea away by noting the vast amount of places from which to steal jokes, including standup specials, TV shows andweb shows.
"That sh*t happens all the time"
According to Rogan, who has more than 25 years' experience in show business, comedy show writers stealing from standup comedians is nothing new. "Writers would hang out in the back [of the Comedy Store]," he says "and then those sketches would appear on television!"
"I don't think you can make her necessarily responsible for those sketches"
Rogan admits there's an "originality problem" with Schumer's show, but then asks "who's problem is it?" For him, you can't blame Schumer for not noticing plagiarized content being pitched to her for her show. There's no real way to catch it all.
"There's a fire right now after her"
Can the accusations all be fueled by Schumer's sudden stratospheric climb to fame? "She's a movie star now. She'd doing arena tours," Rogan admits. "People want to knock her down because she's taken off so high."
"She's f**cking funny"
Rogan's biggest exoneration of Schumer is the fact that she doesn't need to steal other people's jokes to be funny. "She's sharp, she's smart, she's ambitious!" exclaims Rogan.
"Comics like her"
Schumer is a comic's comic. Many in the comedy world, including Rogan, like and respect her. "If she were anybody else," according to Rogan, "people would want her head."
Eyemus Lutt
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While there are a lot of people who hate on her just because she is a woman, there were a lot of sketches on her show that were just stolen outright. She might not have been the one who wrote those particular sketches, but someone that was writing for her is clearly a thief.
Also that comment about one liners from Marin is bullshit. Mitch Hedberg is still remembered today for his one liners.
International Iron Man
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A lot of people who hate on Amy Schumer are the same people who shit on the Ghostbusters movie for being all women before they saw a second of film.
That being said, Amy Schumer is terribly unfunny and unoriginal, and I can pretty much predict her punchline 9 out of 10 times word for word. That's not a good comedian.
BUT, she's a woman in a male dominated space, and she gets graded on a curve, which I think is unfair to her and to women comedians in general.
Also, you cant say "one-liners aren't important", when there are famous comedians who built whole careers off of one-liners, from Mitch Hedburg to Rodney Dangerfield.
That being said, Amy Schumer is terribly unfunny and unoriginal, and I can pretty much predict her punchline 9 out of 10 times word for word. That's not a good comedian.
BUT, she's a woman in a male dominated space, and she gets graded on a curve, which I think is unfair to her and to women comedians in general.
Also, you cant say "one-liners aren't important", when there are famous comedians who built whole careers off of one-liners, from Mitch Hedburg to Rodney Dangerfield.
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HP_Wuvcraft
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Go back to Gaming Side, Pat.
Arguing semantics and arguing with a mod? lolwhut
The "if you don't like Schumer you're sexist" shit has to stop. I love Sarah Silverman and Tig Notaro but I've always found Schumer to be downright terrible.
Yup.
Plenty of amazing female comics out there right now. I used to love Schumer before her Hollywood career blew up (first heard her on JRE 485, she was fucking hilarious.)
Hard to ignore the plagiarism though, even Joe couldn't defend her after the latest comparisons surfaced (iirc he talked about it in one of the #bertisfat podcasts). The awkward silence from Bert and Tom after he brought it up was pretty funny.
There's a big difference between "I don't like a comedian/this comedian doesn't suit my tastes" and "they're a bad comedian/they're not funny and nobody thinks they are". You can not be a fan of Schumer/Aziz and still think it's fine that millions of others enjoy their work. I do find it suspect when people get really aggressive about their hate for a comedian when it doesn't affect them at all and it's literally just comes down to tastes, and yes it does seem to be more prevalent in regards to female comedians.
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