PapaGreg95
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The ๖ۜBronx;249157498 said:
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Angry Joe Destiny 2 Review
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Who said it was one of the best
reviews are always the subjective opinion of the reviewer
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Numerous people at the time. Saying that Destiny had stunning gunplay was really not an uncommon opinion, despite the other issues in the game.
computers putin'
Member
I agree with Joe. The campaign isn't very compelling, the enemy ai is still bad, pvp is a step back from the first, the story isn't interesting, the maps aren't as fun to explore imo, the loot system isn't as addicting since rare drops come too frequently, pvp balance has a negative effect on pve and should be seperate( less interesting weapon abilities, weapons being moved to the power slot that aren't worthy of being a power weapon, etc), shader's are consumable which discourage it's usage, and I could go on.
I'd personally give Destiny 2 a 5 or 6 myself, it's not a clear cut improvement over the first imo. The idea of what Destiny could be is more interesting than the game itself if that makes any sense. I really want to like Destiny, but it falls short in so many areas for me; Player progression and loot is still the only thing the game really has going for it( and Raids too apparently).
Edit: Git gud is such a poor critique of anything, Angry Joe is an average player of average skill like most people are; if his opinions aren't valid then neither are the opinions of most people who bought this game.
I'd personally give Destiny 2 a 5 or 6 myself, it's not a clear cut improvement over the first imo. The idea of what Destiny could be is more interesting than the game itself if that makes any sense. I really want to like Destiny, but it falls short in so many areas for me; Player progression and loot is still the only thing the game really has going for it( and Raids too apparently).
Edit: Git gud is such a poor critique of anything, Angry Joe is an average player of average skill like most people are; if his opinions aren't valid then neither are the opinions of most people who bought this game.
This man has no credibility. I'm 8 minutes into this review yeah and the slow drip of information itself is so bloody frustrating and I've just got to the point where he plays a klaxon over Failsafe's shit jokes - and they are shit don't get me wrong - but the irony! I mean considering this video so far has consisted mostly of his own puerile low brand comedy.
I agree the music can come in at odd times but rather than think about the actual pro/cons in the game itself like a miscued track letting you know which faction you're fighting beforehand? I've known that Vex are about 10 seconds before a fight and changed weaponry because the audio dropped me a hint! Instead you get to watch him eat cereal in a destiny outfit jesus
45 minutes of this? Fuck that.
Watching him play is enough to know that score does indeed reflect his opinion and he's no doubt entitled to it, but if that's how you play Destiny, or FPS games in general it's unsurprising that you wouldn't enjoy it. That's how you make Destiny a 6/10 game. Most of the time it doesn't look like he even knows where he is and can't aim properly. It's like watching someone give Devil May Cry 3 6/10 and they don't even know how to juggle and then force you watch their 45 minute long skit review topless in a red overcoat and expect you to take them seriously.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Having beaten the campaign for Destiny 1 and leaving very disappointed, I wondered if Destiny 2 would be an improvement worth dropping $60 over. If I listened to a theoretical review from you, with your "this game deserves an 8" logic, I'd buy the game and likely wind up disappointed.
If I listen to Joe, who tells me this game fixes a few things only to open up new issues, then I walk away without having wasted my money.
Maybe this review is not for long-time D1 fans or lapsed fans of TTK and whatnot, but people who bailed during the Vanilla campaign like me and others?
people really do have a hard time with opinions, huh?
Exploratory
Banned
Maybe it is that doesn't change the fact that he has flaws in his arguments and I disagree with his overall opinion. It seems like a review for people who don't like the concept of Destiny who want to reaffirm their own opinions.
Great review. I mean Joe is more of a casual player in general to me based off of his footage. The guy hipfires 90% of the time in D2, and sorry but this is a aim down sight game 99% of the time for encounters to be successful.
Coming from that kind of perspective I can get the 6/10. The thing is as someone who is HIGHLY invested in this franchise and loves D1/D2, I don't disagree with a damn thing he said.
The raid is absolutely trash. I hate it. When I complete it once, fuck if I ever do any part past the chain room again. It just isn't worth it. It's the least epic, least boss fun raid ever.
I've already hit the you can get 1 light level maybe gain in a 8 hour play session if RNG blesses you from activities, and have seen all the content aside from a flawless run ticket on Trials and beating the raid.
The story has some poor execution in the end with the Speaker specifically, and laying down on some really ham lines.
The lack of ghost shells to find, and in game lore from said Grimoire is a major let down to me. I LOVE the lore for this universe, and yet it is still hidden to no end for players to enjoy.
It is extremely lazy to add no new customization features to create a character.
I could go on and on, but who cares? I'll be playing weekly for hundreds of hours because it is addicting. Is it Destiny 1.5? No, because Taken King was that. This is like Destiny 1.8. It still doesn't feel like a full blown sequel. This all could have been, and probably started off as, an expansion for Destiny 1.
Coming from that kind of perspective I can get the 6/10. The thing is as someone who is HIGHLY invested in this franchise and loves D1/D2, I don't disagree with a damn thing he said.
The raid is absolutely trash. I hate it. When I complete it once, fuck if I ever do any part past the chain room again. It just isn't worth it. It's the least epic, least boss fun raid ever.
I've already hit the you can get 1 light level maybe gain in a 8 hour play session if RNG blesses you from activities, and have seen all the content aside from a flawless run ticket on Trials and beating the raid.
The story has some poor execution in the end with the Speaker specifically, and laying down on some really ham lines.
The lack of ghost shells to find, and in game lore from said Grimoire is a major let down to me. I LOVE the lore for this universe, and yet it is still hidden to no end for players to enjoy.
It is extremely lazy to add no new customization features to create a character.
I could go on and on, but who cares? I'll be playing weekly for hundreds of hours because it is addicting. Is it Destiny 1.5? No, because Taken King was that. This is like Destiny 1.8. It still doesn't feel like a full blown sequel. This all could have been, and probably started off as, an expansion for Destiny 1.
Im half expecting him to bring out the *Joe is clearly not good enough to play and review Destiny!*
CupHeadGate 2.0.
Just because a 6 is Joe's opinion doesn't mean people aren't allowed to discuss the score. This thread was created for a reason; to have a DISCUSSION on a youtuber's score. His opinion is public for millions to see and criticize.
by all means discuss the score
but claiming that his review is "straight up wrong", as that poster said, is just silly
supremely silly
stupid, even
Joe is mainly frustrated because of how promising the Destiny series is, and how he feels that he's been letdown for a second time now. Towards the end of the video (which I'm assuming most people didn't watch), he actually praises the PvP and says it's a lot better than the first game. If Joe wasn't actually invested in the game, then I'm not sure he would have forced himself to play 40+ hours of it and discuss it so passionately.
Damn, I wish Bungie would start using the Kingdom Hearts numbering system. That would be awesome.
He said:
"That doesn't change the fact that I think a 6 is straight up wrong. Personally I'd give the game an 8"
You should read the bold words
legacyzero
Banned
Man, I love Joe, but these long form reviews with the majority of them pissing and moaning about the DLC structure is just tiring. We get it. And we agree Joe. It sucks, yadda yadda. Same with Jim Sterling. This shit just isn't going to change with the large publishers. Just is t going to happen. This review could have been half the length without it
Niceguydan8
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Wrong is probably the wrong word to use though, since it suggests Joe said something that is not correct or true. When discussing review scores (opinions), unless there is something objectively incorrect about a review, the word "wrong" is probably ...well, the wrong word to use.
There's a much better way to phrase that.
"The game isn't a 6 in my book. I didn't mind issues (x,y,z) because of (a,b,c). I would personally give it an 8." Pretty much no extra effort and it's a much more clear point.
I did
I also read the unbolded words where he claimed someone else's opinion about a video game is straight up wrong.
which is silly
never in my post did I claim that the poster I mentioned didn't think what he posted. I was saying that what he thought was silly.
Uhm... skip those parts? Nobody is forcing you to watch them.
the problem is that other big publishers don't do the stuff activision does. So it's worth pointing out
Except he didn't say the review was wrong, he said the final score (6) was wrong.. which in this case to him it was. No need to make a big deal out of one word. Its clear what the post was trying to get across.
He doesn't agree with the 6 Joe gave.. who gives a shit lol... I think the final score is "wrong" as well as I don't agree with it. Once again, its clear the point he was trying to get across in his post. No need to make a big deal out of the way he worded things
Have we really reached this point, people are actually annoyed when someone brings up bad consumer pratices? Don't see how it matters if the review mentions these things, its a review and should review and evaluate all aspects of a game. I mean you said it yourself you don't think anything is going to change, so he should ignore the DLC/microtransactions and simply roll over and forget about it?
Coriolanus
Banned
destiny shooting mechanics are based around range, chasing headshots and giving the player absolute gobs of autoaim. The headshots feel rewarding because they kill targets MUCH faster and give special sound and graphical effects.
Obv for the vex that changes a bit, but is the same general rule.
I'd say that no game on consoles does headshots in a more satisfying manner than destiny, but i'd never try to hold the position that it could ever surpass Doom. Doom does everything but headshots better, especially since its health mechanics actually mesh well with an offensive role in combat.
The à¹ÛBronx
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Because he gave it a 6. Anyone denying that is kidding themselves.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Glad to see at least he agrees with me about the music. Great soundtrack but doesn't match at all with what's going on in the game.
Pattycakes
Banned
Because for some reason people care about this shitty reviewer's opinion of games
The ๖ۜBronx;249158822 said:
most angry joe reviews get their own thread regardless of the score
you can do a thread search to confirm that if you'd like. pretty sure he gave BotW an 8 or a 9 as a recent example.
the reason he gets his own threads is because he provides a thorough critical analysis of the games he reviews. this isn't just some 3 minute IGN video going over the bullet points. it's a 45 minute detailed review.
but I'm sure you knew all of that already
edit: here, I'll help you out
Injustice 2 got a 9/10 - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1382847
BotW got a 9/10 - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1354110
Yakuza 0 got an 8/10 - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337070
Some Nobody
Junior Member
What? Just because publishers are doing an anti-consumer thing and may not stop we shouldn't complain? Wtf? That's stupid. If you want to just take it, fine. I appreciate Joe for fighting the good fight even if it's a lost cause.
I can never figure out why we're so pro-corporation. People now are arguing for MTX because game prices are static, as if if they raised the price of games to $69.99 or $79.99 they wouldn't keep doing MTX and DLC.
. It's weird.The "flaws" you pointed out aren't real. D2 apparently
has shit AI so they make up for it in waves. They didn't START with waves and tossed good AI, because nobody would do that.
And no, like Joe I was quite hopeful D2 would be a superior game that fixed all the flaws. I hoped it would deserve a 9 when all was said and done. If anything I left disappointed when I learned they hadn't improved nearly enough given they had 3 years and hella budget and leeway given they're one of the most well-known and financially successful games this gen.
Relaxed Muscle
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The ๖ۜBronx;249158822 said:
A lot of his reviews gets threads.
So you're wrong.
It seems to mostly match the first time a track is played during a campaign/story mission etc, but then after that it's like the track gets added to a shuffle playlist and will be randomly played during non-instanced content from that point on. It can be hilarious sometimes when the context is completely off; once I had the 'sad' track kick in while a fallen dreg was running at a wall forever due to some broken pathing logic, which was pretty great.
Bornstellar
Member
Titanfall 2 is published by EA is providing free content drops.
After spending 3k+ (why the fuck did I do that) with Destiny 1, and 40+ hours in D2, I have to agree with most of AJs review.
The game does feel like a reboot for sure, and not a continuation. The PvE aspect is fun (not touching the trash that is PvP), but I am defnitely reaching my end with D2 until the DLC.
This is why I am so glad I bought the D2 PS4 Pro bundle...the game was essentially $50, upgraded a launch PS4 at home, and I'm getting a new 4K TV just for gaming soon. Got a new sexy white Pro, and I don't feel as disappointed in D2.
The game does feel like a reboot for sure, and not a continuation. The PvE aspect is fun (not touching the trash that is PvP), but I am defnitely reaching my end with D2 until the DLC.
This is why I am so glad I bought the D2 PS4 Pro bundle...the game was essentially $50, upgraded a launch PS4 at home, and I'm getting a new 4K TV just for gaming soon. Got a new sexy white Pro, and I don't feel as disappointed in D2.
legacyzero
Banned
I'm not "pro" corporate practice or "pro" micro transaction. They fucking suck. Destiny 1 was fucking horrible with they're shit DLC strategy. Though I'd also call it a stretch to say it's "anti-consumer" if the MC's aren't P2W. Actually, there are games that handle MS's just fine, at least on the grounds of compromise. Overwatch, Siege, Halo 5, etc. so having MC's isn't enough to call it anti-consumer. I mean, just how "anti" is it when millions are consuming it?What? Just because publishers are doing an anti-consumer thing and may not stop we shouldn't complain? Wtf? That's stupid. If you want to just take it, fine. I appreciate Joe for fighting the good fight even if it's a lost cause.
I can never figure out why we're so pro-corporation. People now are arguing for MTX because game prices are static, as if if they raised the price of games to $69.99 or $79.99 they wouldn't keep doing MTX and DLC.
The "flaws" you pointed out aren't real. D2 apparently
has shit AI so they make up for it in waves. They didn't START with waves and tossed good AI, because nobody would do that.
And no, like Joe I was quite hopeful D2 would be a superior game that fixed all the flaws. I hoped it would deserve a 9 when all was said and done. If anything I left disappointed when I learned they hadn't improved nearly enough given they had 3 years and hella budget and leeway given they're one of the most well-known and financially successful games this gen.
It's just fact. The pubs are going to find a at to shit up their games with further monetization
Exactly my point.
powersurge
Member
I'm a huge Destiny fan. Me and my WoW guildies up to 280+ and while we haven't done the raid yet we have done the nightfall and we have had a blast.
With that said Joe's got a lot of good points and the game does have its issues that need to be addressed not really sure why there's so much hate for his review. I disagree on story I liked it but to each his own but everyone should admit that there are serious issues with recycled content and enemies a long with the egregious micro transactions. If the DLC was going to be free that would be one thing (Battlefront 2 for example) but holy crap they already got $100 from us for the game and season pass.
Sadly I was weak and double dipped (PS4 and PC though I paid with WoW gold on pc) but even knowing what I know now I would probably still buy it as I'm still having a ton of fun. I just wish they would rein in their terrible business practices.
With that said Joe's got a lot of good points and the game does have its issues that need to be addressed not really sure why there's so much hate for his review. I disagree on story I liked it but to each his own but everyone should admit that there are serious issues with recycled content and enemies a long with the egregious micro transactions. If the DLC was going to be free that would be one thing (Battlefront 2 for example) but holy crap they already got $100 from us for the game and season pass.
Sadly I was weak and double dipped (PS4 and PC though I paid with WoW gold on pc) but even knowing what I know now I would probably still buy it as I'm still having a ton of fun. I just wish they would rein in their terrible business practices.
ByWatterson
Member
I'm still struggling to figure out what "anti-consumer" means. If they're not lying, they're merely offering a product you can accept, or not accept.
This isn't Colonial Marines, here. It's not even Watchdogs.
This isn't Colonial Marines, here. It's not even Watchdogs.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Millions voted for Trump too. Humans go against their self-interests quite often.
legacyzero
Banned
Anti-consumer among whiney circles of gamers means 'anything I don't like or don't wanna pay for.'
I would argue that Destiny walling off MP maps and modes that you already own because you don't own the next expansion is anti-consumer
The ๖ۜBronx;249158822 said:
This thread is trending just an embarrassing as I expected. Has anyone demanded Joe's playtime or evidence he's finished the raid yet?
Rather Angry Joe than Sterling.
I don't even know if he played the raid; from what I could tell in the review video, he just took a friend's footage
http://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/psn/AJSA_AngryJoe
Yea hes 252 Light Level, he hasn't done the raid... to the person who asked above
Yea hes 252 Light Level, he hasn't done the raid... to the person who asked above
RyanHardy101
Banned
Shit, not even 260+? I don't know if that's enough for a review, but clearly Destiny isn't for Joe, and that's fine.
Angry Joe should handover his hardcore gaming card, hes not leet enough for Destiny 2.
No salt here homie; just providing context on the "difficulty spike" he kept mentioning during his review stream. I can care less about what he gave the score as I don't personally let other peoples opinion sway my decision to purchase or enjoy a game
You made all these clips, all this effort to discredit his opinion of the game. You come across as salty af. He makes these reviews for almost a decade now, I don't think you're in a place to suggest what he shoud do.
He didn't spell it out but that's what he means anyway.
The ๖ۜBronx;249158822 said:
This is getting emberassing. Pretty much every review of his gets a thread here. Stop acting like you saw through things please.
Conkerkid11
Member
Those clips are Polygon-tier, wtf Joe?
To be fair, the raid is like 10% of the content of this game. If he did everything else up to this point, then his shit is still valid.
On top of that the raid is pure ass cheeks compared to Oryx, VoG, or Siva. It doesn't feel a damn bit rewarding for time invested, and is easily the most frustrating raid they have made for all the wrong reasons. It's not fun or bad ass.
I would imagine if he did play it himself and didn't for his review, then he would've docked it even more to a 5/10 lol.
Also, to the folks as per usual "why does he get his own thread?" Here's a simple answer: He's entertaining and fun to discuss. IGN reviews can put you to sleep and don't merit much discussion, and the same can be said for most major outlets.
I didn't make any clips actually.. these are all public clips already posted in public places. Nice assumption though. As you can tell in the clips, he isn't capable of pressing the jump button or landing the cross hair on an enemy at times. If this discussion thread was all about agreeing with joe's score then it wouldn't be a discussion thread at all. My b for not agreeing with your favorite reviewer.