drotahorror
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The actual melee combat looks jank as hell. But I'm interested, I love a good game with roguelite elements (ie carry something over from death).
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Ex BioShock devs announce FPS roguelite City Of Brass - Steam 2017, Consoles 2018
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Graphics Horse
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Huh, I thought this thread would be full of whining about the FPS label being applied toward something without shooting (not by the devs themselves, as far as I can see).
Certainly that is possible. But given that a lot of these games with their procedural designs assemble an uninspired same set of boxes linked together by corridors, I'd prefer it if they did take the easy route. When the end result is so uninspiring, I'd consider giving them the benefit of the doubt that they're doing it to compensate for production realities, rather than lack of ability to execute.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I like the look of the game after watching the trailer. Seems like something I'd enjoy.
Going EA as expected - September 18
sp3ctr3
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as a fan of bioshock this does absolutely nothing for me.
TatteredHat
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Yeah, this isn't really doing anything for me.
Only it looks way worse than Dark Messiah combat wise.
Fuck I really want a new Dark messiah.
Eh after rewatching some Dark Messiah footage I'm really not seeing it, for all its greatness that game was always clunky as fuck as well. I think this game has potential to be quite fun, but not to sell well if this entire thread is anything to go by
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CountAntonius
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Ex Bioshock Devs Announce....
"....an Arabian Nights-themed procedurally generated FPS....challenging you to see just how far you can get through its permadeath streets."
Those seem like two utterly incongruous statements.
* Bioshock = character-driven narrative in an immersive world space
* "procedurally generated" and "permadeath" sound like the antithesis of those things.
...Its like the devs went to work for Ken Levine, hated his attention to world-building and story-telling, but said "man, this mediocre, barely-passable combat is amazing."
"....an Arabian Nights-themed procedurally generated FPS....challenging you to see just how far you can get through its permadeath streets."
Those seem like two utterly incongruous statements.
* Bioshock = character-driven narrative in an immersive world space
* "procedurally generated" and "permadeath" sound like the antithesis of those things.
...Its like the devs went to work for Ken Levine, hated his attention to world-building and story-telling, but said "man, this mediocre, barely-passable combat is amazing."
HellofaMouse
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Does the "from the former such and such devs" blurb ever really mean anything tho. Games are made by gigantic teams,and if even half of that teams gone, means their next games not gonna be anything like their previous one. (Unless its a direct sequel and theyre trying to go for the same vibe)
It's not which is why it's Early Access......
You gonna die a lot and start over, but keep character progress?
ElectricThunder
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Given it still has potentially a year or so of Early Access dev time to now spend---pretty sure all manner of improvements, additions, and outright polish are going to accrue well and true once folks start tearing into it.
High chance it takes the crown from Immortal Redneck and Ziggurat unless something else comes along meanwhile out of nowhere---or it winds up jousting mightily with MOTHERGUNSHIP if that winds up out in full at roughly the same time.
High chance it takes the crown from Immortal Redneck and Ziggurat unless something else comes along meanwhile out of nowhere---or it winds up jousting mightily with MOTHERGUNSHIP if that winds up out in full at roughly the same time.
Duchess O'Death
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I need a soulslike game in that setting!
Trailer said coming in Fall 2017, with how Jank and unfinished it looked I'm not surprised it's
jebait and it really meant Early Access. If their aiming for a simultaneous release with consoles this is almost a year away from full release.
Really disappointing it's procedurally generated, means nothing about the game will be memorable at all outside of it's aesthetic
even it's Just-As-Jank-As-Dark-Messiah gameplay looks terrible.
jebait and it really meant Early Access. If their aiming for a simultaneous release with consoles this is almost a year away from full release.
Really disappointing it's procedurally generated, means nothing about the game will be memorable at all outside of it's aesthetic
even it's Just-As-Jank-As-Dark-Messiah gameplay looks terrible.bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Looks cool but just makes me want a Powerslave sequel even more.
Mr. Phellps
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I'm not feeling it.
Visually, it's not appealing. The combat, which is its main thing, looks clunky and they haven't shown a lot of variety on this front. It also has no story, so it's not like one can endure the subpar gameplay for a compelling narrative.
I'm not sure this is going to make as much money as they hope...
Visually, it's not appealing. The combat, which is its main thing, looks clunky and they haven't shown a lot of variety on this front. It also has no story, so it's not like one can endure the subpar gameplay for a compelling narrative.
I'm not sure this is going to make as much money as they hope...
Generic Power Ranger
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The combat looks like a clunky version of dark messiah. Which is by far the best melee combat (combined with incredible open combat world design) I've played in a game. So this could be interesting. Would prefere if it was a game with a story though.
Personally I just don't like them to begin with, especially since most of them have randomly generated levels.
I'm actually quite enjoying this.
The combat is a bit slow but feels very good, don't go in expecting combos n such, it's more methodical. You need to time each strike well so you don't get interrupted by enemy attacks. Almost a bit souls like in that regard.
Every hit has a very good sense of impact, feels very satisfying to beat up the enemies.
It's also quite hard, you really need to take your time and read the environment and decide how to best tackle all the different enemies in order to make it trough alive, taking advantage of environmental traps and such to lessen the chance of getting hit by an enemy.
I never get the hate for randomly generated levels. Sure if it's crap it's crap, but if it's done well you get a game with basically infinite replay value like Enter he Gungeon, Spelunky and Binding of Isaac. It just needs to be done well.
The combat is a bit slow but feels very good, don't go in expecting combos n such, it's more methodical. You need to time each strike well so you don't get interrupted by enemy attacks. Almost a bit souls like in that regard.
Every hit has a very good sense of impact, feels very satisfying to beat up the enemies.
It's also quite hard, you really need to take your time and read the environment and decide how to best tackle all the different enemies in order to make it trough alive, taking advantage of environmental traps and such to lessen the chance of getting hit by an enemy.
I never get the hate for randomly generated levels. Sure if it's crap it's crap, but if it's done well you get a game with basically infinite replay value like Enter he Gungeon, Spelunky and Binding of Isaac. It just needs to be done well.
Alex Connolly
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I'm enjoying it. There's an addictive loop in the mix. Combat 'feel' isn't there just yet - needs a little more heft - but against the clock, flying into courtyards and quickly assessing the environmental traps before working the enemies via said traps, projectiles and whip-stunning is really satisfying. Has that Halo-esque encounter vibe, whereby each mob encounter feels like a short puzzle of movement and positioning. Being able to maximise environmental damage via kiting feels good.
They do need to tone it down a bit, because I've had wandering gatekeepers trundle into traps and die, without aggro.
But yeah, it's good. It's going places, with any luck.
They do need to tone it down a bit, because I've had wandering gatekeepers trundle into traps and die, without aggro.
But yeah, it's good. It's going places, with any luck.
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Naudyboy16
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Alex Connolly
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Yeah. Crazy. Uppercut are just six devs who worked on Bioshock in the past. Great work, forum peanuts.
It's a diamond in the rough, for sure. Very lean concept. I dig it.
I've played about an hour of this so far, and it's pretty sweet. I love the look of it, and the procedurally generated levels are actually fairly interesting from what I've played. It's exciting to scour the environments in search of treasure as the clock ticks down.
Pretty much all of my complaints are centred around the combat feel. I really want this to play as fluidly as something like Bulletstorm (with which it shares a few things), but right now it's all a little janky. Sword swings feel slow and clunky, the whip can be overly finicky to aim and the shove seems slightly too slow to be really effective. Some more features in basic combat would be nice too; the game is just begging for a heavy/charged slash.
Hopefully all of these core combat moves can be sped up, tightened and tuned before launch. I generally avoid the rogue-like/lite genre, but this could be a lot of fun.
Pretty much all of my complaints are centred around the combat feel. I really want this to play as fluidly as something like Bulletstorm (with which it shares a few things), but right now it's all a little janky. Sword swings feel slow and clunky, the whip can be overly finicky to aim and the shove seems slightly too slow to be really effective. Some more features in basic combat would be nice too; the game is just begging for a heavy/charged slash.
Hopefully all of these core combat moves can be sped up, tightened and tuned before launch. I generally avoid the rogue-like/lite genre, but this could be a lot of fun.
Bloodporne
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Really like the visual style and ideas behind the basic gameplay here, but yeah...
procedurally generated, permadeath, roguelite/like =
procedurally generated, permadeath, roguelite/like =
Bloodporne
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That's the Early Access release I believe.
Alex Connolly
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Yeah, a few extra elements wouldn't go astray. A slide would be nice, just to up the flow of combat. Double-edged sword, as you'd need to check you weren't skidding into a spike-trap after stun-tripping an enemy. I've actually found the mantling to be pretty damn responsive. Limbering around corners moated by traps and pits, with enemies on my tail...always seemed to find decent purchase to turn on a dime. Feels good.
Found some good fun with the whip of ignition and some club with supreme knock-back. Set them on fire, beat them over a trap, let the environment do its work.