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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher

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NPR is reporting that free speech week in Berkeley is cancelled because they didn't confirm any of their speakers or get any venues. Another L for MiLo.
 

Blader

Member
And he votes with republicans the vast majority of the time. Think about that for a second. These people are nuts.

Many Republicans will never forgive McCain for losing to Obama in '08. He's been branded a RINO ever since (and probably before that too).
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
NPR is reporting that free speech week in Berkeley is cancelled because they didn't confirm any of their speakers or get any venues. Another L for MiLo.

And one for Berkeley.

I'm glad this whole thing got fucked over, there's a difference between Nazi shit and political speech and people need to learn that. Nazi shit is like a disease and needs to be isolated, you can't let that shit get spread around. That's how it spreads.
 
Many Republicans will never forgive McCain for losing to Obama in '08. He's been branded a RINO ever since (and probably before that too).

It goes back further. Limbaugh was lampooning him years before that, at least since early in the W presidency when there rumors McCain might switch parties.
 
How did Chris Cillizza become successful?
I've been busy, but I have just enough time for this:

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JettDash

Junior Member
The turtle has consistently gotten 49 Republicans in line on this. He has two he can't get, and now McCain has been oddly consistent. But I don't know why you believe in Rand Paul, of all people.

The only time he ever got 49 was for the skinny repeal which wasn't even an attempt a crafting a bill, rather a vehicle to get them to conference to hammer out a bill.

And I just think that Rand Paul cares more about himself than the GOP as a whole. Standing his ground as the only true conservative against a bunch of RINOs is a better for his image than backing down and voting for Obamacare lite like a coward.
 

Valhelm

contribute something
NPR is reporting that free speech week in Berkeley is cancelled because they didn't confirm any of their speakers or get any venues. Another L for MiLo.

He's running on fumes now

Will be interesting to see what he and BakedAlaska and all the other discredited alt-right demagogues are doing in 4 or 5 years
 

kirblar

Member
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

There's stuff to dig in w/ here. Single-payer is split opinion wise, UHC is generally favored (but of course those numbers won't hold w/ the GOP) but this is the big one
Currently Medicare covers people age 65 and over. Do you favor or oppose allowing people between the ages of 55 and 64 to have the choice of purchasing Medicare coverage?

F O
ALL 81 15
R 79 17
D 80 15
I 83 14
A voluntary buy-in for Medicare for 55+ should be THE thing you're leading our HC messaging with. Easy enough to let the public option draft behind it.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I mean, is he wrong there? I haven't read the articles but he thought the issue of her health was not important to write about, but after an incident occurred it changed quickly.

I think the guy is beat up a bit too much. Maybe I am wrong.

Yes, when she got a cold and tried to power through because it was 9/11. She didn't get cancer or something.


I knew he'd be one of those fuckers. I just knew it.
 

Ernest

Banned
"I take no pleasure in announcing my opposition. Far from it," McCain said. "The bill's authors are my dear friends, and I think the world of them. I know they are acting consistently with their beliefs and sense of what is best for the country. So am I."

McCain has said for weeks that he would not support health care legislation that had not gone through "regular order," meaning Senate hearings, an amendment process and a rigorous floor debate.

Graham said he "respectfully" disagrees
with McCain and will "press on" with his legislation.

It's fucking insane how "holding hearings", "having amendments" and "debating on the floor" about some of the biggest legislation possible that that will affect all Americans is something Graham "respectfully" disagrees with. Insane!
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
It's fucking insane how "holding hearings", "having amendments" and "debating on the floor" about some of the biggest legislation possible that that will affect all Americans is something Graham "respectfully" disagrees with. Insane!

The erosion of those norms is bad for everyone, on both sides, going forward.
 
Straight up unconstitutional endorsement. Someone should make them say "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" values and see how long they keep doing it.

It's not really unconstitutional to have and/or value religious based morals in people running for seats.

For example, there is nothing against the law that says a priest can't run for president. And separation isn't understood to mean that nor has it been challenged that way afaik.
 
Also DHS contacted all 50 States to let them know if they had been targeted by Russian hackers during the election:

Thus far, this is what is known:

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I'm thankful he is saying this about Graham-Cassidy, but I am getting sick and tired of hearing republicans say the ACA was "rammed through" Congress.

The GOP counts on voters having short memories. I still remember being floored after the Charlie Hebdo shooting by Republicans going on about how Democrats aren't sufficiently supportive of France.
 
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

There's stuff to dig in w/ here. Single-payer is split opinion wise, UHC is generally favored (but of course those numbers won't hold w/ the GOP) but this is the big one

A voluntary buy-in for Medicare for 55+ should be THE thing you're leading our HC messaging with. Easy enough to let the public option draft behind it.
When we need votes and high turnouts from young people, no I don't think this is the solution

Its going to be difficult to explain to young people why their parents get to opt into a larger Medicare option but they don't. Without depressing turnout or making angry

Young people are more likely to vote d than boomers. There's not much use in prioritizing them.
 

kirblar

Member
When we need votes and high turnouts from young people, no I don't think this is the solution

Its going to be difficult to explain to young people why their parents get to opt into a larger Medicare option but they don't. Without depressing turnout or making angry

Young people are more likely to vote d than boomers. There's not much use in prioritizing them.
jfc play all sides of the coin.

This is one of the big lessons of Hillary's campaign! Margins matter!
 

Ogodei

Member
jfc play all sides of the coin.

This is one of the big lessons of Hillary's campaign! Margins matter!

Yup, you're not going to win 55-64 whites, but if you took a chunk out of Trump's support there he'd be hard pressed to find anything to supplement it.
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
A voluntary buy-in for Medicare for 55+ should be THE thing you're leading our HC messaging with. Easy enough to let the public option draft behind it.

lol. I hope you don't work in politics for your day job.

I'll admit that if you're putting health care on a ballot initiative somewhere, that actually might be the right move. But if you're making it a party or campaign message, you might as well not have it at all. Maybe you'll excite the few dozen people in their 50's who haven't become set in their political ways, don't already have or like insurance through their employer, do want to spend money on health insurance, and are aware enough to know what that would mean for them.

Ballot initiatives have extremely different political calculus from a coalition building politician. A republican might vote for a 55+ buy in, and a democrat might vote against single payer as a single issue, but that does not mean that those voters will switch sides if a politician takes a position like that.
 
It's interesting that former FBI Director James Comey didn't decline the Howard University invitation. He obviously knew going there was going to be bloodbath considering the silly things he and his supporters have said in the past.

As Comey, making a rare public appearance since leaving the FBI, began his speech welcoming new students at Howard University, protesters could be heard yelling from the back of the room, raising their fists and shouting. Some of the slogans included "No justice, no peace, "We shall not be moved" and "white supremacy is not a debate."

Standing before a packed auditorium, Comey stood silently for over 15 minutes as the students yelled, "I love being black" and "Get out James Comey -- you're not our homey."

"I look forward to adult conversations about what is right and what is true," Comey concluded, as he ended to a standing ovation.

As holder of the school's Gwendolyn S. and Colbert I. King endowed chair in public policy, Comey is slated to give a number of speeches during the following year. His role at Howard will include engaging the Howard community through a lecture series "designed to foster fruitful discussion and spur meaningful interaction," according to a university press release.

Freshman Howard student Nayla Hale, a member of HU Resist, said that students were specifically troubled by Comey's views on the so-called, "Ferguson effect," which suggests police officers use restraint out of concern over being videotaped during violent confrontations.

"James Comey represents an institution diametrically opposed to the interests of Black people domestically and abroad," said HU Resist in a statement passed out at the convocation Friday. "The 'Ferguson Effect,' for example, is an outright racist lie designed to undermine Black Liberation Movement."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/22/politics/james-comey-howard-speech/index.html
 
jfc play all sides of the coin.

This is one of the big lessons of Hillary's campaign! Margins matter!
Well sure, the margins absolutely matter but I don't think making a "better healthcare for those 55 and older", as being the cornerstone the improvements on healthcare is necessarily a good idea. Or how we cut into those. Or even if it's successful is that going to be worth the messaging issues that it'll create with young people. I think Medicare for all is playing all sides of the coin.

Mook also said they were aiming for 60% of the youth vote but they didn't get it, and would have won had they gotten there. So I think the position on that issue causes and issue there where there doesn't have to be one.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
It's not really unconstitutional to have and/or value religious based morals in people running for seats.

For example, there is nothing against the law that says a priest can't run for president. And separation isn't understood to mean that nor has it been challenged that way afaik.

Sure but he's a government official creating at least the appearance of a religious test.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I wonder if there is a way to determine where the point of diminishing returns indicates further spending is not worth it for a campaign?

Any studies done on this? It's difficult cause the formula probably varies a decent amount by location.
 

pigeon

Banned
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

There's stuff to dig in w/ here. Single-payer is split opinion wise, UHC is generally favored (but of course those numbers won't hold w/ the GOP) but this is the big one

A voluntary buy-in for Medicare for 55+ should be THE thing you're leading our HC messaging with. Easy enough to let the public option draft behind it.

Here are some fun notes from this survey:

* If you ask people if they support single-payer, they are split 45-47. If you ask people if they support replacing our current healthcare system with "a taxpayer-funded national plan like Medicare which would cover all Americans", they favor it 66-28. Medicare for All is definitely the right presentation.
* As Kirblar notes, there's basically no party differentiation for creating a buy-in Medicare option for 55+ -- everybody supports it about 80-15 regardless of party. This is quite notable! This is also true for allowing Medicare to negotiate for prescription drug prices.
* Way too many people support a work requirement for Medicaid, 72-24.
 

Ogodei

Member
Jodi Ernst is apparently calling for the bipartisan committee to get back up and running. Per Dave Weigel (WaPo reporter), she hasn't even been talking with Iowa's medicaid director about G-C because it's dead.
 

chadskin

Member
Senior aides to President Trump repeatedly warned him not to deliver a personal attack on North Korea’s leader at the United Nations this week, saying insulting the young despot in such a prominent venue could irreparably escalate tensions and shut off any chance for negotiations to defuse the nuclear crisis.

Trump’s derisive description of Kim Jong Un as “Rocket Man on a suicide mission” and his threat to “totally destroy” North Korea were not in a speech draft that several senior officials reviewed and vetted Monday, the day before Trump gave his first address to the U.N. General Assembly, two U.S. officials said.

Some of Trump’s top aides, including national security advisor H.R. McMaster, had argued for months against making the attacks on North Korea’s leader personal, warning it could backfire.

But Trump felt compelled to take a harder line.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-fg-trump-northkorea-20170922-story.html

The adults might not save us after all.
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
jfc play all sides of the coin.

This is one of the big lessons of Hillary's campaign! Margins matter!

An election where your opponent has a 55% unfavorability rating is not an election that is about the margins.

Besides, that math on what benefits those margins all depends on who the swing voters are, and 2016 proved old middle class people are not where the swing votes are. Uneducated whites were the biggest swing, but youth and minorities also swung by a lot while the older middle and upper class barely moved at all.
 
It's fucking insane how "holding hearings", "having amendments" and "debating on the floor" about some of the biggest legislation possible that that will affect all Americans is something Graham "respectfully" disagrees with. Insane!

They can't afford any delay because next month it changes from a 50 minimum vote win to a 60 minimum vote win. Still scummy. But at least you can see why they are motivated to not allowing anything to slow it down.
 
Are all 17 syllables "oops?"

Collins is "leaning no"

On twitter:



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Bahahaha.

She's endorsed him in the past but it's clear she hates him, and the feeling is quite mutual.

Sounds like LePage is much closer to the median Maine GOP voter than Collins is though. Her run for governor (should she bite) might not be the slam dunk everyone thinks. She'll have to make it through a primary first.
 
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