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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher

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Blader

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Sobriquet said:
Judge Roy Moore's bus:

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Note the spelling in the url.

Now go to www.alabamaderservesmoore.com
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kirblar

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thepotatoman said:
lol. I hope you don't work in politics for your day job.

I'll admit that if you're putting health care on a ballot initiative somewhere, that actually might be the right move. But if you're making it a party or campaign message, you might as well not have it at all. Maybe you'll excite the few dozen people in their 50's who haven't become set in their political ways, don't already have or like insurance through their employer, do want to spend money on health insurance, and are aware enough to know what that would mean for them.

Ballot initiatives have extremely different political calculus from a coalition building politician. A republican might vote for a 55+ buy in, and a democrat might vote against single payer as a single issue, but that does not mean that those voters will switch sides if a politician takes a position like that.
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thepotatoman said:
An election where your opponent has a 55% unfavorability rating is not an election that is about the margins.

Besides, that math on what benefits those margins all depends on who the swing voters are, and 2016 proved old middle class people are not where the swing votes are. Uneducated whites were the biggest swing, but youth and minorities also swung by a lot while the older middle and upper class barely moved at all.
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Here are the two takeaways I get from your two posts.

a) You don't understand that not every policy platform needs to be aimed at you and your interests. Different people are excited by different things!
b) You do not understand that an election lost over 70K votes out of 130M+ is absolutely one that was lost on the margins because any marginal change could have won it!

If the margin is that tiny, everything matters! The Obama quote about losing 70/30 instead of 90/10 is very relevant here!

VendettaRed07 said:
Well sure, the margins absolutely matter but I don't think making a "better healthcare for those 55 and older", as being the cornerstone the improvements on healthcare is necessarily a good idea. Or how we cut into those. Or even if it's successful is that going to be worth the messaging issues that it'll create with young people. I think Medicare for all is playing all sides of the coin.

Mook also said they were aiming for 60% of the youth vote but they didn't get it, and would have won had they gotten there. So I think the position on that issue causes and issue there where there doesn't have to be one.
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It doesn't have to be the cornerstone! It just needs to be a policy initiative you are trumpeting loud and clear because it is absurdly popular!
 
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Ernest

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A Breitbart post about McCain's decision with almost 400 likes:
citizensam • 2 hours ago

haven't ever rooted for a disease before...but really wish that cancer would hurry up and do its job.
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Stay classy, you Breibart cucks.
 
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shinra-bansho

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I don't get why there are pages of talk about why Clinton received millions of votes less than Obama when she received 50k less...

Population adjusted she obviously fared even worse obviously. I'm assuming people still have election night returns stuck in their mind.

We've rehashed this a million times but...
Baggage.
Third termitis.
No incumbency advantage.
White supremacy.
Poor campaigner.
Emailz.
Comey.
Russia.
No penis.

I'm guessing this is all to argue about the shy socialist silent majority.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Erick said:
But based on this standard, I have vastly more moral authority than Jimmy Kimmel. In addition to earning far less than he does, I am writing this column right now with a pulmonary embolism. And upstairs from me, resting, is my wife who has cancer. Thanks to our healthcare insurance, which I get through my employer, we have the means to pay for her monthly medicine, which would otherwise cost more than I make. If we had Obamacare, we would not be able to afford the medicine. Eventually my wife's cancer will mutate to get around the medicine she is taking. We will have to work with a doctor to find a new medicine to keep the cancer at bay. With Obamacare, the bureaucratic processes would be far more difficult costing us valuable time.
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http://theresurgent.com/i-have-more-moral-authority-than-jimmy-kimmel/

How on Earth are these people this goddamned stupid? He thinks he's not under Obamacare because he has insurance through his employer. The insurance that his employer buys still has to follow the rules and regulations demanded under Obamacare. Literally every private insurance plan in the country, whether it's bronze, silver, gold or whatever, is under Obamacare!

Holy shit, it's been EIGHT YEARS and these nimrods still don't even know the basics.
 
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Jeels

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"The world is finally starting to respect us" and the crowd goes wild. Except every indication is it's the exact opposite. The world can't wait for this shit to end.
 
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shinra-bansho

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pigeon said:
Here are some fun notes from this survey:

* If you ask people if they support single-payer, they are split 45-47. If you ask people if they support replacing our current healthcare system with "a taxpayer-funded national plan like Medicare which would cover all Americans", they favor it 66-28. Medicare for All is definitely the right presentation.
* As Kirblar notes, there's basically no party differentiation for creating a buy-in Medicare option for 55+ -- everybody supports it about 80-15 regardless of party. This is quite notable! This is also true for allowing Medicare to negotiate for prescription drug prices.
* Way too many people support a work requirement for Medicaid, 72-24.
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Medicaid is for poor = black people. Make those lazy moochers work.
Medicare is for hardworking working families like my white family. My white family needs a break, and to stop having to pay for these black moochers.
 
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Hubbl3

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Jeels said:
"The world is finally starting to respect us" and the crowd goes wild. Except every indication is it's the exact opposite. The world can't wait for this shit to end.
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These are people that would also probably say "America has the best healthcare system in the world!" or "America has the best education system in the world!". They have zero awareness of anything outside of the US.
 
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JettDash

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Oblivion said:
http://theresurgent.com/i-have-more-moral-authority-than-jimmy-kimmel/

How on Earth are these people this goddamned stupid? He thinks he's not under Obamacare because he has insurance through his employer. The insurance that his employer buys still has to follow the rules and regulations demanded under Obamacare. Literally every private insurance plan in the country, whether it's bronze, silver, gold or whatever, is under Obamacare!

Holy shit, it's been EIGHT YEARS and these nimrods still don't even know the basics.
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There are stupid fucks in places like Kentucky that are on the exchanges and Medicaid expansion and have no idea that they're on Obamacare so that guy isn't that stupid, relatively speaking.
 
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jtb

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I am so bored by the endless doom and gloom about the Democrats. It's all so hyperbolic and self-serving. when we look back at 2017/2018, I think it will be pretty shocking how quickly and effectively the left mobilized and ground GOP/Trump's agenda to a halt.

(this is not to say that things are good, obviously, just that they could be much much worse)
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
JettDash said:
There are stupid fucks in places like Kentucky that are on the exchanges and Medicaid expansion and have no idea that they're on Obamacare so that guy isn't that stupid, relatively speaking.
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Of course, but the difference is that Erick is a "thought leader" on the Right. He's the idiot who informs the idiots in Kentucky to be angry about stuff.
 
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jtb

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
I'm honestly not sure how worse it could get for democrats with trump in the WH and GOP controlling both houses.
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I'm saying within the hand we've been dealt - i.e. when you compare the timelines of Trump/GOP control, this timeline is one of the better ones. And I think the left has just about maxed out its available leverage within the limited resources we have (i.e. activists, 48 senators, 200-some reps)
 
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aspiegamer

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shinra-bansho said:
Medicaid is for poor = black people. Make those lazy moochers work.
Medicare is for hardworking working families like my white family. My white family needs a break, and to stop having to pay for these black moochers.
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This is accurate. Medicare is the gold standard in neat stuff the Government offers to "hard working people" in order to take care of them or whatever. Medicaid? For the poor and it's awful that we could ever be so nice to people being so lazy. I've known white people that have said they're above needing medicaid because they insisted it wasn't "for them." I don't even think they were trying to be racist! That's just what they think and they're ignorant/oblivious to it.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
jtb said:
I am so bored by the endless doom and gloom about the Democrats. It's all so hyperbolic and self-serving. when we look back at 2017/2018, I think it will be pretty shocking how quickly and effectively the left mobilized and ground GOP/Trump's agenda to a halt.

(this is not to say that things are good, obviously, just that they could be much much worse)
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I'm not so worried about the Democratic mobilization so much as the voting restrictions these assholes are going to implement in every state controlled by Republicans. It doesn't matter how angry you are if you're not able to vote.

Mobius and pet octopus said:
I'm honestly not sure how worse it could get for democrats with trump in the WH and GOP controlling both houses.
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Uh...

- A 7-2 Supreme Court for one thing?
- An even worse round of gerrymandering that makes it impossible for Dems to win back the House for 2 decades instead of one?
- More voter restrictions, which peel off just enough voters that Dems won't be able to win another swing state for at least a decade?

With Republicans, the rule is: IT'S ALWAYS WORSE.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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jtb said:
I'm saying within the hand we've been dealt - i.e. when you compare the timelines of Trump/GOP control, this timeline is one of the better ones. And I think the left has just about maxed out its available leverage within the limited resources we have (i.e. activists, 48 senators, 200-some reps)
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I guess the GOP could have been competent at governing and getting changes made. That would have been much worse.
 
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