Farage and UKIP only gained 12% of the national vote in the 2015 UK General election and never even managed to get a seat in Parliament. David Cameron saw their rise and hoped to neuter it with the EU referendum and gain a remain win but it backfired massively. These parties don't have to have a majority to do damage.
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German Federal Elections 2017 |OT| Electing the new leader of the free world
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Farage and UKIP only gained 12% of the national vote in the 2015 UK General election and never even managed to get a seat in Parliament. David Cameron saw their rise and hoped to neuter it with the EU referendum and gain a remain win but it backfired massively. These parties don't have to have a majority to do damage.
Never underestimate the power of "voting against your own interest, to fuck over your different neighbour."
The extreme right has found out how to get people to vote for them. And they will milk it dry. These white men will be cheering and singing, as the great great grandsons of the same industrialists their ancestral fathers and mothers stood up against, lead them to their graves... working them to death.
Art Teitlebaum
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This. It is well known that a stable ~20% of the German public is open for right-wing ideology. This is a constant number since the beginning of the BRD. It's just sad that blind protest made it possible for the AFD to enter the Bundestag, but it's not a landslide in our democratic spectrum. We will see how sustainable these protest votes will be after four years in opposition.
Maedre
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Oh we did learn. But the rest of the world doesnt seem to. 13% AfD is nothing compared to the nsdap and we will fight against these 13% assholes.I'm still baffled that these nazi's got so much, did germany not learned from 70 years ago?
Never got the huge fuss. I don't like that they got any votes at all, no. But you have those idiots and that's the reality.
As far as someone asked, "what can they do?". Basically nothing. Look, they got 4 to 5 points more than the other "small" parties had for decades. What did the Grünen achieve with their ~8% over the last 20 years? What did the FDP achieve with their ~10%? What did the PDS achieve with their ~9% in 2005?
Also quite dissapointed with SPD's acting like that right away. I do believe that's the best course they can and should take. But can we stop with "Nope. Nobody wants to work with anyone" minutes after the first result?
As far as someone asked, "what can they do?". Basically nothing. Look, they got 4 to 5 points more than the other "small" parties had for decades. What did the Grünen achieve with their ~8% over the last 20 years? What did the FDP achieve with their ~10%? What did the PDS achieve with their ~9% in 2005?
Also quite dissapointed with SPD's acting like that right away. I do believe that's the best course they can and should take. But can we stop with "Nope. Nobody wants to work with anyone" minutes after the first result?
Well Said, my thoughts exactly
SporeCrawler
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who the hell knows. they will get a lot of money now and eastern germany will most likely support them no matter what
PdotMichael
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That didn't happen.
Yes, but you got a whole new guy who suddenly got 2 seats. A guy that admitted that when "women say no, they mean yes." and that :"Women want to be conquered" and that "He would prefer a white Europe"... soo erm. I don't think the Netherlands can point at ANYONE when they have an actual NAZI in their parliament with ties to their NVU (The Dutch NAZI party).
In fact your journalists seem to love him and don't dare to ask him any "rude questions.". Unlike the Flemish TV. Who did ask him those questions and he got angry about it. GO FLEMISH!
SPD will go into opposition.
Gurgelhals
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So what does that result spell for Merkel? Of course, she still technically "won" the election, but 30% and probably the worst result for the party since 1949(!)? This will only embolden critics within her own party, won't it?
It's just kinda crazy because only two or three months ago she seemed completely invincible.
It's just kinda crazy because only two or three months ago she seemed completely invincible.
Alright, sorry, they got 12.6% of the national vote and won one seat but Camerons call for the referendum was definitely due to UKIPs rise in the polls, the referendum wouldn't have been called otherwise.
PdotMichael
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A statement that comes months too late.
Haunted
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Bad results for the two biggest parties.
Good that FDP is back.
Hate the afd result.
Building a coalition will be tough now. Can't really see Jamaica working out without FDP and Grüne making large compromises that will upset their own bases, resulting in even stronger afd results in the future.
Sucks.
Good that FDP is back.
Hate the afd result.
Building a coalition will be tough now. Can't really see Jamaica working out without FDP and Grüne making large compromises that will upset their own bases, resulting in even stronger afd results in the future.
Sucks.
PdotMichael
Banned
You are talking about a country where every party is either anti-EU.
The people just plain voted for that what the media and the parties told them for decades - that the EU is holding back UK.
Don't try to rewrite the narrative to get a point, it doesn't work.
I think we're gonna see FDP/Greens asking for a big piece of the cake during coalition talks.
And obviously we'll see ALOT of turf war and a torn CDU, that will have to decid who they're gonna send into the next election race and actually lead the party next.
SporeCrawler
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she won the election and there is no heir apparent so yeah
Muffin1611
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So the AfD is getting 88 seats, huh
the_korben
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The left in Europe is a part of the established political spectrum. In many European countries, leftists (= to the left of social democratic parties) have been working constructively in regional and national parliaments and have held regional and national administrative positions. They have large representation in the European Parliament (GUE/NGL), even ahead of the Green parties of Europe.
Though they do critisize the status quo heavily and in principle advocate a different kind of society due to their analysis, they are usually committed to humanistic and democratic values. This has nothing to do with right-wing populism a la Trump, AfD, FPÖ, Le Pen and so on.
Die Linke is a modern socialist (not social democratic) party. That's nothing too special in Europe. And that's about it.
(Signed: a leftist from Europe)
The only national party to endorse Leave during the referendum was UKIP?
Art Teitlebaum
Member
Or Gabriel-SPD will take a U-turn and continue the "Grand" Coalition.
I think having multiple alt right idiots that will split the vote of the racists etc is probably not a bad thing. Also at least we don't have an actual Nazi as our president and his party controlling all forms of government. So I will say we can still point to America and say we are doing way better than them
The netherlands didn't learn indeed we have two nazi's now in our house of representatives and it is scary what will become of forum for democracy (FvD) that guy Thierry Baudet is fucking scary even more than geert wilders..
That poster is right though. UKIP romped home in the 2014 Euro elections, forcing the Tories to shift their position to the far-right just to fend off the Kippers.
And no, not every party in Britain was anti-EU. Most were pro-EU actually. Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, PC, SF.
The argument that one small fringe band of whackos being capable of causing untold carnage in a country's political system is quite correct.
That official endorsement barely matters. The leave campaign was composed of people from all parties, except possibly LD.
How fitting.
No idea if that was tactics from the SPD. If they are they opposition leader, it will be their task to keep the afd in check.
That could lead to a much clearer profile in the coming four years since it will be a relatively easy job and they will gain lots of sympathy that way.
Best case of course.
That could lead to a much clearer profile in the coming four years since it will be a relatively easy job and they will gain lots of sympathy that way.
Best case of course.
Thierry will take over the country by storm I think. Our media just completely sucks in being critical where it matters.
Augh. 20.x percent. 13.x percent. What are you doing, fellow Krauts. Why.
At least SPD is headed into opposition now, to prevent crashing below AfD or worse I guess.
Only sunshine for me personally is that the Greens will have a say in the black-yellow clusterfuck. And that the CSU got slapped down hard as well.
At least SPD is headed into opposition now, to prevent crashing below AfD or worse I guess.
Only sunshine for me personally is that the Greens will have a say in the black-yellow clusterfuck. And that the CSU got slapped down hard as well.
What are you talking about, I'm not trying to rewrite any narrative. I know the UK media has blamed the EU for decades but that created the toxic situation where UKIP gained voters after being largely irrelevant for decades.
The EU-sceptic arms of the Tory and Labour Party (which aren't a majority) were kept fairly well under wraps by their respective leaders for decades but the rise of UKIP which was directly cannibalising Tory voters was looked at as a threat by David Cameron so an in/out referendum was called to put an end to the question, sadly he read the electorate wrong and leave won by a tiny margin. Now the foaming at the mouth EU-sceptics on both sides of the spectrum have been unleashed and nobody dares speak out against them lest they be labelled a traitor to the party or an enemy of the people.
What I'm saying is UKIP were seen as a threat holding only one seat and managed to achieve what they've wanted for decades.
Every party isn't anti-EU either, SNP, Lib Dems, Greens are still pro-EU and the Tories and Labour were pro-EU until Leave won where they had to change their positions to match that of the electorate all because of a previously irrelevant group of nutjobs.
PdotMichael
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Whatever what gives you a point here.
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I like The Guardian's colour scheme
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Merkel about to talk...
UKIP did get one seat but that's FPTP for you.
Bedameister
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I like The Guardian's colour scheme
lol
I also like that they call the FDP simply Pro-Buisiness
At least one of his main points is that he never wants to be in the government, so that's something. (until he unavoidably breaks that promise)
Yeah, sure. All those votes out of "disappointment" for the AfD.
I think having multiple alt right idiots that will split the vote of the racists etc is probably not a bad thing. Also at least we don't have an actual Nazi as our president and his party controlling all forms of government. So I will say we can still point to America and say we are doing way better than them
Give it time... the only reason the USA got that one was: A. Democrats like to attack the left and themselves. B. The Electoral system.
Wait until the other European nations start doing with these little white men in charge want. Fuck each other over as "we have to come first! We are better than the others! Fuck the EU as they hold us back.". One action will trigger another and before you know it, you too will have one of those fuckers in charge.
I like The Guardian's colour scheme
Accurate.
The vast majority of the British political establishment supported Remain? I suppose in the end that didn't matter but it doesn't mean it wasn't true.
PdotMichael
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Apples and oranges.
Claiming that the UKIP is somehow the solely reason for Brexit is silly at best. Brexit is a result of anti-EU rhetoric started by Thatcher decades ago.
Cameron basically toured through the EU to show the EU who is the boss with his fishing for another round of special treatments for the UK.
He is terrible, a lying cunt also he defines in antisemitism,racism,fascism and people fall for it, i do not hope he gets bigger at all they need to see through his lies.
Gurgelhals
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It really seems like the only viable option at this point, but the question is still whether a Jamaica coalition will be able to form an effective government or be a complete clusterfuck. There has never been a three-party coalition on a federal level (well, except during the early Adenauer years).