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German Federal Elections 2017 |OT| Electing the new leader of the free world
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For the same reason Trump was elected. People voted for him because they like a few of his ideas and at the same time are not completely against the other ones. There is no "people dont know the other ideas, they are just against immigration". They know and they, at least, dont care about all the other stuff. None of the "other ideas" are dealbreakers.
Btw this is the same for all candidates. Noone agrees 100% with a party/politician.
kingkaiser
Member
Please no, she is a horrible example of a modern social democrat sending her child to a private school because obviously public schools are way below her standard.
Bitch Pudding
Member
If you want to have the SPD below 20%, then choosing either of these is the best way forward.
Yeah, but honestly, those AfD blokes seem pretty happy.
Been a while since I saw voters agree so thoroughly with their own party. Yikes.
(source: http://wahl.tagesschau.de/wahlen/2017-09-24-BT-DE/index.shtml )
If you vote for the AfD, it's mainly because of the immigration topic. That's their only big topic these days. When was the last time they were talking about anything else? Only Frauke Petry seemed to be interested in other topics, and the party wants to get rid of her now.
I also don't think there will be any internal repercussions against Bernd Höcke anymore as the national-conservative wing of the party is strongest right now.
Different folks, different strokes, but I'm routing for our SPD Barbie. Da real Mutti.
Who's on the Mama Schwesig hype train with me? Choo choo
If somehow Nahles ends up being the candidate for 2021, I'm going to vote FDP self-destruct-mode
kingkaiser
Member
Merkel: We have made no mistakes during the campaign.
Hybris is one hell of a drug.
Schwesig is basically a neo-liberal, so why don't you vote FDP in the first place?
Hybris is one hell of a drug.
Schwesig is basically a neo-liberal, so why don't you vote FDP in the first place?
There are pretty big differences between Schwesig and the FDP. The FDP doesn't support people who make up rape accusations and are then sentenced for that. Schwesig does.
T sentence was horrible and caused a change of law which was overdue. Which she is referring to with no means no.
But apparently no means no hasn't reached Shiggy yet.
Schwesig doesn't want to cut pensions, the FDP does. So what?
Guys you're ruining all the fun. When was the last time Merkel's past was discussed in public?
In 4 Years we'll all forget about Manu's little fauxpas (plural). But yeah, there's a lot of work ahead in terms of fixing her political profile. She's a rough diamond now. Nothing a socialist bootcamp can't fix.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
I do not know enough about Germany and the immigration to Europe etc., But in general the open door policy always seemed insane to me. Why wouldnt anyone want to go to a rich country which was also giving free shelter, food, money etc.? I think I also read that a lot of people who weren't syrians or refugees (like Afghanistanis, Pakistani, Africans) also got in.
It stands to reason that some people wanted to at least debate that and have stricter policies. Then when I see other people calling them 'racist', looks obvious that they would get pissed and vote for an extremist party.
Maybe Merkel shouldve listened earlier?
Of course voting for afd, as far as I understand their platform, is not entirely rational. But politics rarely is.
It stands to reason that some people wanted to at least debate that and have stricter policies. Then when I see other people calling them 'racist', looks obvious that they would get pissed and vote for an extremist party.
Maybe Merkel shouldve listened earlier?
Of course voting for afd, as far as I understand their platform, is not entirely rational. But politics rarely is.
Lets discuss how Merkel was in a sauna when the wall fell!
Royal_Flush
Member
There is no open door policy that goes significantly beyond what the Geneva Convention dictates. People claiming asylum do have a right for their case to be investigated. Period. If they are rejected they are sent back (well, in theory at least. But that's not the laws fault but rather lackluster execution). You can bring many points on how the current system is suboptimal but claiming an "open door policy" for everyone who wants to come is just factually false and one of the main reasons why we now have the AfD at 13%.
SolidusDave
Member
Yup.
Well, it's probably more for selfish reasons as they will never gain voters back as the CDU's little brother.
But despite a messy Jamaica government, this was the best way to deny the AfD to be the voice of the opposition. 13% of the Germans suck ass and this is a valid attempt of minimizing the damage done by them to the country and how it's viewed in the world.
Westbahnhof
Banned
Do you think it is a literal open door policy, where anyone can simply say "I'll stay" and that's that?
I feel that for a really productive discussion, you should look up asylum/immigration requirements and the process, and then critique that directly, instead of what you imagine it to be.
Disgusting! But I guess KGB agents deserve some nice leissure time,too.
lol
You're onto something. They have a nearly identical haircut, too. Confession time: I sometimes have daydreams about being physically and mentally abused by Ms. Petry in a Wehrmachtsuniform with von der Leyen watching us.
Seehofer is so bitch-made.
ClosingADoor
Member
The "open door" image comes from being able to jump on a boat and being picked up by the coast guard, and then you are in Europe for years before something is done. It is also clear there are large troubles, just see what is happening at Calais for example.
Even if it is not the law's fault, but the execution, that is still on the government and they are rightfully being punished for it. Just sad that it comes in the form of voting in a party like the AfD and not someone that doesn't couple better immigration control with actual nazi rhetoric.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Aah. So it's not open door in its literal sense. Then why does Germany gets singled out as being the most tolerant of it, if they are only following the convention? Do other countries not follow it as strictly?
spd in a nutshell and the reason they lost the working class voters
http://www.der-postillon.com/2017/02/traditionelles-linkes-halbjahr.html
http://www.der-postillon.com/2017/02/traditionelles-linkes-halbjahr.html
Xisiqomelir
Member
A listing of what this years AFD voters voted for during last election.
That is a lot of new voters
In 2015 we basically did have an open-door policy because the institutions supposed to check asylum seekers were completely understaffed or just not qualified. And even if asylum requests are denied, it's unlikely that the persons will have to leave Germany because most often their home countries aren't very cooperative, or because the persons "lost" their passports, or because the persons just disappear before being brought back to their home countries.
Even if the laws don't say "everybody can come and stay", the actual situation is more problematic and paved the way for the AfD.
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Petry plante Abspaltung wohl schon länger
lmao
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...lante-abspaltung-wohl-schon-laenger-1.3682614
lmao
With how strong the right-extremist fraction of the AfD is in the East, I doubt that this will damage the party as much as last time the ALFA split-off.
Yeah, the funny thing about Nazis is that they hate each other, too.
History keeps repeating. Reminds me of the NSDAP vs. SA situation.
All what it took was to speak out against rape and acknowledge the very fact that it was.
Refugees do come from Africa and Afghanistan, just saying.
You only have to face isolation and repercussions if you aren't right wing enough. Lovely party.
Refugees do come from Africa and Afghanistan, just saying.
You only have to face isolation and repercussions if you aren't right wing enough. Lovely party.
And now I have an image of Ms. Kepetry as that Nazi lawyer from the Preacher comic stuck in my head.
Ethical Hedonism
Banned
I've been checking into this before the election happened but wasn't here on the weekend.
Anyone with a good summary of what has happened? I saw that AfD got more than 10% of the votes, at third place it doesn't sound good at all to me (best if they had 0 votes) but what do I know.
Anyone with a good summary of what has happened? I saw that AfD got more than 10% of the votes, at third place it doesn't sound good at all to me (best if they had 0 votes) but what do I know.
I've searched for an appropriate pic and stumbled accross this:
WTF is this? Nazi boob inspection? The drill instructor's thoughts: *SSIE GEDEIHEN AUSSGEZEICHNET!!!!!*
I've searched for an appropriate pic and stumbled accross this:
WTF is this? Nazi boob inspection?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Other countries barely give a shot about the convention they signed their populace even less so. That's the long and short of it.
ClosingADoor
Member
Germany didn't give a shit for years and years while Greece and Italy dealt with the problem, so they shouldn't claim some moral superiority now about it.
Patrick Bateman
Member
Not rather League of German Girls (BDM)?
Royal_Flush
Member
That's absolutely true. There simply is no good way to deal with the situation without a major re-think. (Fake Edit: Sorry, this got out of hand and became a general rant about asylum politics. I hope it's a decent read anyway
)- Italy / Greece can't let them drown in the sea because come on...
- Italy / Greece can't handle all the refugees by themselves because they just don't have the capacities to do so.
- They can't send them back without asylum process because it would violate the Geneva Convention.
- We can't solve it with a very shortened process like "You're from Somalia? Back you go!", because they could just get rid of their passports before arriving. Even if they keep them, their home countries often take their time before accepting them back.
What Germany did was simply not sending the refugees back to Italy / Greece when they came here because their asylum camps were on the brink of collapse. Unfortunately our buorocracy was in no way prepared for that influx, although experts saw it coming for quite some time, but have been ignored.
The correct solution imo would be to
a) Split all refugees between European Countries according to certain criteria (These criteria may include already existing relatives in the country). Countries who don't fulfil their part should be punished severely.
b) Get some rules in place about how to handle children born in the EU from refugees. Up to which age is it okay to send them to their parent's home country if their asylum is denied. (I do not have an answer to this question, though)
c) Set up more legal ways to immigrate into the EU to reduce the number of people who come to Europe because of poverty reasons.
d) Set up camps in North Africa and near conflict zones under EU leadership and with EU staff (similar to military bases) where people can claim asylum without supporting scummy smugglers with thousands of dollars. This does not mean that people coming directly to Europe for whatever reason get rejected. It provides an additional way to claim asylum.
Unfortunately the left doesn't seem to understand that the current "system" is fucked beyond believe when only those people who have enough money to pay the smugglers even get the chance to claim asylum. Even worse are the ones who suggest they should get permanent residency no matter what. For what? For being fit enough to survive a three day hellride on some rotten boat? "No borders" is a beautiful long-term goal I fully support but which is not achievable without a complete collapse of the richer nations for another, what, 100 years? You have to manage the interim in some orderly way...
And on the other hand the right is just full of people who in principal want to implement some of my ideas above but in the meantime say "fuck everybody who came here illegally", want to ignore the Geneva Convention and make life harder for legal immigrants. Fuck those people!
Like, I feel both sides got half the problem but refuse to see that their perception is not complete enough.
Saw a bit of of AFD on TV, man are they quite the evil scum party, they don't hide it at all. Scary stuff, glad people are standing up to it. Protest votes can lead to bad places, see Brexit.
As for the refugee crisis, I always thought it's something the UN should be doing 'large scale' on the coasts etc. There shouldn't be smugglers there, it should be UN bases there to help people in need, it's still one hell of an impossible situation but that would have saved many lives lost. The root causes are still being ignored and Europe can't indefinitely take on huge amounts of people and the culture clash is just going to fester. I really hope it works out over the years and people live in harmony but can't deny people may be uncomfortable with a different culture impact when it's so many people. Doesn't mean they get a pass for being horrible to others.
As for the refugee crisis, I always thought it's something the UN should be doing 'large scale' on the coasts etc. There shouldn't be smugglers there, it should be UN bases there to help people in need, it's still one hell of an impossible situation but that would have saved many lives lost. The root causes are still being ignored and Europe can't indefinitely take on huge amounts of people and the culture clash is just going to fester. I really hope it works out over the years and people live in harmony but can't deny people may be uncomfortable with a different culture impact when it's so many people. Doesn't mean they get a pass for being horrible to others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
But more plausible (read the last paragraph of the Criticism section).
Still 27 percent. That is more than 1 in 4 people. That means when you are on a bus with 50 people. 13 are Nazis.... not a pleasant thought
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kingkaiser
Member
I've searched for an appropriate pic and stumbled accross this:
WTF is this? Nazi boob inspection? The drill instructor's thoughts: *SSIE GEDEIHEN AUSSGEZEICHNET!!!!!*
It's from the German movie "Blitzmädels an die Front". A very controversial movie to put it politely, so I am not setting any links to it, especially not in this day and age.
hanspampel
Banned
btw. if you guys really believe that close to 100% of AFD voters are convinced nazi ideologist, i hope you're also ready for AFD staying at >10% and have all of them as their base voter going forward
but gladly that is most likely not the case
but gladly that is most likely not the case
Muffin1611
Banned
Well no, I don't think so. The reasons for voting for a party full of nazis to represent you as I see them are:
A) You're a nazi
B) You don't care about being represented by nazis as long as you can stick it to the established parties
C) You don't know what you're doing
Doesn't seem that much better to me, tbh.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
Holy fuck Andrew Neil is such as a dumbarse. Proof that age doesn't make you wise.This is probably the appropriate place for it. Look at this dumb nonsense:
