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Apple Media Event - 1080p AppleTV, 4G/LTE 2048x1536 iPad, same price, Mar 16th

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The iPad is about to receive some very stiff competition between Windows 8 and low price Android tabs.

You know what'd be a good way to ensure continued dominance over your competitors? Lowering the price of your product to be more competitive.

I'm positive they'll still be making record-breaking profits all the whilst ensuring market dominance and improved customer satisfaction.

I swear some of you guys still behave like Apple is the underdog barely making enough to get by.

There is no competition lol
 
Much agree, I am actually planning on ditching my Android Phone for a iPhone 5 just because of the app market for it. I am quite disappointed with the Android Market although it is much much better than what it was when I was on my HTC G1 on the early days of Android 1.5/1.6.

I dumped my droid 2 for a 4S and do not regret it at all. Paid 400 for it in order to get 64gb, because Apple seems to be the only company that actually still gives a fuck about local storage. Especially for music, as I found trying to put music on my droid a pain in the ass. Drag and drop is nice, but there definitely is something to be said for having a nice system that rounds everything together.. And no, Google Music is not a good substitute at all. Local storage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cloud storage.

Another reason why I jumped is

Here's what Fragmentation means to me:

Android:
I can go to any store and buy myself a brand new Android device, but I can't be guaranteed that every device will have the latest OS on it. I could get one with 4, or I could get one with 2. And if I get one, there is no guarantee that I will ever be able to upgrade to 4. I have an Android phone that has 2.1 on it and there's literally no way to upgrade it to even the highest 2.x version let alone 4.x. And these are brand new phones. Google has no say over what OS is sold on brand new devices because it's up to the company that makes the device. If they want to sell a low end phone with Android 2.1 on it, they will. And they won't guarantee anything about updates. There is literally no chance I will be able to upgrade my phone to even 2.3 and I only bought it last February. At the time it came out, the OS was already out of date.

When a new Android version comes out, you have to WAIT for the company that makes the phone or tablet to give you the permission to update, if that ever happens.

iOS:
I can go to any iPhone/iPad selling store and buy a brand new device and know for a fact that it will have iOS5 on it and will support the latest OS for a few years at least. Apple doesn't sell devices that can't run the current iOS version. Because it's determined by one company. Apple.

When a new iOS version comes out, anyone with a fairly new device (They support their devices for a few years at the very least. For instance, the iPhone 3GS can run iOS5 and is over 2.5 years old.) can update IMMEDIATELY. No waiting for AT&T or Apple to say "Okay, you can upgrade now." You can download the new version and be up and running day 1.


Why is this? Because Apple was smart. They took full control over the hardware and do not allow ANY third party bloatware on their devices out of the box. This was a main bulletpoint in their contract when they joined AT&T and continues to be one now.

Google however didn't have that same agreement. A phone company can fill your device with their own software or disable certain apps if they want. And thanks to the dozens of different hardware types all being controlled by different companies, you have to wait for each company to update drivers in order for them to allow you to upgrade.


Remember that this only applies to new devices. Not ones you bought used that are years old or ones you've had for years. (Like if you still have your old iPhone 3G or a first generation Android phone. I couldn't root it and install a rom, because hey, verizon and motorola locked the bootloader and put a ton of shit apps that I don't even need or want and I can't even get rid of them


THAT is what Fragmentation means.

Note: Capitalized words are for emphasis, NOT for anger. There is no anger. I just use CAPITAL words in place of making them bold or emphasized.

Exactly. Christ I don't get what some people don't understand about it. It took 8 months for my Droid 2, which was Motorola's flagship phone at the time, to get an update to Android 2.3, and it was buggy as I'll get out and ugly as shit. not only that but the hardware was turning to shit far faster than it needed to. There are only two apps that I don't use on my iPhone that are included (stocks and newsstand). None of the "V-Cast" shit, none of these trial games I can't get rid of. Pointless Skins that were buggy as hell (Hello Motoblur!).

Android is a great system, and 4.0 seems like a step in the right direction, but until you take away the telecom and hardware interference, you won't get any kind of good user experience. The telecoms are fucking up a good android experience. I don't necessarily see anything too wrong with the skins, but there HAS to be some kind of limit to how long it can take for an update. 8 months for a new phone to get an update is absolutely unfuckingacceptable. And I'm glad Microsoft saw this and did the same thing as Apple and kept everything standard across handsets, and are able to push updates to everyone at the same time.
 
Here's what Fragmentation means to me:

Android:
I can go to any store and buy myself a brand new Android device, but I can't be guaranteed that every device will have the latest OS on it. I could get one with 4, or I could get one with 2. And if I get one, there is no guarantee that I will ever be able to upgrade to 4. I have an Android phone that has 2.1 on it and there's literally no way to upgrade it to even the highest 2.x version let alone 4.x. And these are brand new phones. Google has no say over what OS is sold on brand new devices because it's up to the company that makes the device. If they want to sell a low end phone with Android 2.1 on it, they will. And they won't guarantee anything about updates. There is literally no chance I will be able to upgrade my phone to even 2.3 and I only bought it last February. At the time it came out, the OS was already out of date.

When a new Android version comes out, you have to WAIT for the company that makes the phone or tablet to give you the permission to update, if that ever happens.

iOS:
I can go to any iPhone/iPad selling store and buy a brand new device and know for a fact that it will have iOS5 on it and will support the latest OS for a few years at least. Apple doesn't sell devices that can't run the current iOS version. Because it's determined by one company. Apple.

When a new iOS version comes out, anyone with a fairly new device (They support their devices for a few years at the very least. For instance, the iPhone 3GS can run iOS5 and is over 2.5 years old.) can update IMMEDIATELY. No waiting for AT&T or Apple to say "Okay, you can upgrade now." You can download the new version and be up and running day 1.


Why is this? Because Apple was smart. They took full control over the hardware and do not allow ANY third party bloatware on their devices out of the box. This was a main bulletpoint in their contract when they joined AT&T and continues to be one now.

Google however didn't have that same agreement. A phone company can fill your device with their own software or disable certain apps if they want. And thanks to the dozens of different hardware types all being controlled by different companies, you have to wait for each company to update drivers in order for them to allow you to upgrade.


Remember that this only applies to new devices. Not ones you bought used that are years old or ones you've had for years. (Like if you still have your old iPhone 3G or a first generation Android phone.


THAT is what Fragmentation means.

Note: Capitalized words are for emphasis, NOT for anger. There is no anger. I just use CAPITAL words in place of making them bold or emphasized.

well said.

Only in America can the success of an electronic consumer device be explained with a gun metaphor.

:) but it worked, didn't it! lol (also, everyone in the world recognized the success of Glock! It's a house-hold name and is better known that Smith & Wesson now.)
 

Raistlin

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Their are tons of rumors of a Samsung 2560x1600 tablet, that's gonna be "retina" enough for Refrigerator..
Please don't continue the cycle :p


In all seriousness, while I'm all for pushing resolution I do have to question the value of such a device today ... particularly in a 10" device.

With current processor and battery technology, the benefits of going that high will likely be outweighed by performance loss. When you start moving to ultrabooks and laptops though ... then I could see an argument for the benefits being worth it. Obviously moving forward, as transistors are die-shrunk and batteries improve, then there's really no reason to not do it even at 10".





Interesting article, show's how clueless some of Apple's competitors are.

http://www.thetechblock.com/article...mark-thanks-to-idiotic-contracts-and-pricing/
Only read a bit of the article ... but I'm not so sure I agree.

Regarding the Samsung, it's their first 7.7" AMOLED screen (produced on their new gen 5.5 fab line). Of course it's expensive. It isn't indicative of their long-term pricing strategy, it's simply a result of low yields. The bleeding-edge screen tech has yet to mature.

For the Sony, it's obviously a niche product. It's a novel idea, but serves a pretty specific audience - those that want a bigger screen on a pocketable device. Obviously the dual screens and custom nature mean build costs prevent it from being an entry-level device. And since (I assume) they realize the audience isn't going to be huge, it's only logical to also place a decent margin on the item since those that want such a form-factor have no alternative. If someone wants its form-factor, they're going to be willing to pay for it.

Certainly if demand proves to be good moving forward, they can always tweak margins based on volume. But I really think they're placing it at a logical position right now.



In both cases, iPad costs are really irrelevant. The Samsung is simply gonna cost what it costs until yields improve on their tablet-sized OLEDs ... and the Sony is targeting a specific use-case that's outside iPad's to begin with. I'd argue the editor is a bit clueless if anything. Not everything tablet isn't inherently tied to iPad.
 

LCfiner

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so hard

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Jasoco

Banned
When will Apple's Super Computer come out? I want that.
Unless the technical term for "super computer" was changed in the last decade, it already came out in 1998. It was called the G3. All computers these days are "super computers" by those 90's terms. Even pretty much all smartphones.
 

KtSlime

Member
keep telling you that, because everyone on top always stays there.

I'm not going to pretend that Win8 doesn't have some interesting ideas in it. However, you are fooling yourself and others if you don't think they are going to have an uphill battle with WoA. They need to:
1) Convince developers to adopt WinRT, in many cases porting years of code to it.
2) Deal with educating their market that there are in fact 2 different Windows 8 platforms, and that the WoA machines will NOT be backwards compatible.
3) Then deal with the backlash from negative reports if they fail to sufficiently educate people on this matter.
4) Persuade people to upgrade.
5) Ease the minds of people using Win8 on a PC but not wanting their PC to be a tablet. Apple is seeing a minor backlash with Lion, and it is no where as near a radical change as Win8/winRT are proposing.
6) Get hardware manufactures to support their WoA platform

I don't think we can really accurately forecast the outcome of these thing just yet, so I don't think it really is fair to say Win8 will be adequate competition.
 
*looks at avatar*

my appreciation of windows has nothing to do with the fact, that windows 8 has a high chance of having impact on the market.

you cant stay market leader forever.

look how sony for example lost the mobile music monopoly with the walman and the console dominance with playstation and ps2, when everyone thought they would be the kings of the game forever. this happens all the time, and it could be over for iOS dominance any year.

I think iPad is a great product, but laughing at competition is not the wisest choice.
 
Interesting article, show's how clueless some of Apple's competitors are.

http://www.thetechblock.com/article...mark-thanks-to-idiotic-contracts-and-pricing/

Please, someoone tell me how the fuck the iPad is 'grossly overpriced' again, and so many keep mindlessly insisting?

When Samsung made its latest Galaxy Tab pitch, for instance, instead of giving consumers reason to overlook the rest of the Tab family’s disappointing performance, the company overshadowed the tablet’s 7.7-inch, LTE credentials with this fuckup: The Galaxy tab 7.7 will set you back a minimum $499, and that’s with a 2-year contract. If you say to hell with carriers, the price of the puny tablet swells to an eye-watering, deal-breaking $699.

And Sony, already bleeding money, is similarly stupid. Its Tablet P, a 5.5-inch tablet with a Nintendo DS-like ability to fold in half, will price itself off the market with a 399-dollar contract tag, and that price skyrockets to $549 without a contract.
 

LCfiner

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I do like Metro, but I think Microsoft’s tablet fortunes with WOA will not be very good and it is tied directly to their decision to leave the desktop in there.

As soon as someone who was looking for an ipad-type experience gets dumped to the Windows desktop to run Word or to change a network setting not available in the Metro settings (just the fact there are two settings locations is baffling to me) there will be confusion, disappointment and unhappy customers.

Everything I’ve seen of the consumer preview reinforces my opinion that the WOA devices should have broken off the desktop completely. not doing this will hurt them against the iPad. I would bet on this.
 

Tobor

Member
my appreciation of windows has nothing to do with the fact, that windows 8 has a high chance of having impact on the market.

you cant stay market leader forever.

look how sony for example lost the mobile music monopoly with the walman and the console dominance with playstation and ps2, when everyone thought they would be the kings of the game forever. this happens all the time, and it could be over for iOS dominance any year.

I think iPad is a great product, but laughing at competition is not the wisest choice.
Or what? I'm assuming no one here works for Apple, I know I don't. So what are the repercussions of us laughing at Windows 8, pray tell? We're all just fans and interested parties here.

That said, while I'm not personally laughing at Windows 8, I don't think it's a slam dunk either. MS has a lot of work ahead, and they don't have a divine right to be the future of the computer industry.
 

Talon

Member
Sigh, spec battles.

Software sells the hardware. The fact that Rubin keeps on coming out and saying that the phone and tablet form factors don't need separate apps is going to be a problem.

Windows 8 is going to be successful in my mind, but there's no reason that multiple platforms can't be successful in the tablet field. I just don't see it with Android.

Nobody ever bought a PC because they were fucking thrilled to have Windows. It was the massive library of software that brought you there.
 

MercuryLS

Banned
There is nothing 'nasty ass' about PenTile at retina display resolutions.

Sorry, but Galaxy Nexus is retina-ish (whatever that means) and the screen has issues, solid dark colours have a weird textured effect and text doesn't look that great in comparison to AMOLED Plus display.
 

Blackhead

Redarse
Sorry, but Galaxy Nexus is retina-ish (whatever that means) and the screen has issues, solid dark colours have a weird textured effect and text doesn't look that great in comparison to AMOLED Plus display.

didn't have those problems with my unit. text looked great compared to GSII samoled plus displays
 

numble

Member
God fucking damnit. What does this mean? No A6? Minor boost or just branding differences?

It just says the purported parts for the retina display's LCD connector, digitizer, and display connector seem to match the input ports seen on the photo of the purported A5X.
 

noah111

Still Alive
Also, what to expect from iPad 3's retina display:

http://www.thetechblock.com/articles/2012/what-to-expect-from-the-ipad-3s-retina-display/

http://www.thetechblock.com/images/retina/retinainfographic.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Some of those examples are bullshit. Also, I don't get the icon example. That's not how big the icons will be, resolution wise, on a retina display, so it makes no sense.

[quote="numble, post: 35674296"]It just says the purported parts for the retina display's LCD connector, digitizer, and display connector seem to match the input ports seen on the photo of the purported A5X.[/QUOTE]
I got that much, but does that mean there's no A6? Fucking rumors, hate them!
 
In a completely unrelated note...was reading the thread title to double check the date and remembered... why do you guys in the US use a wrong format for the date? I've always known about it, but never understood why... does anyone know?
 

Koodo

Banned
In a completely unrelated note...was reading the thread title to double check the date and remembered... why do you guys in the US use a wrong format for the date? I've always known about it, but never understood why... does anyone know?
Stop. We've had multiple messy threads dedicated to this.
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KtSlime

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Some of those examples are bullshit. Also, I don't get the icon example. That's not how big the icons will be, resolution wise, on a retina display, so it makes no sense.


I got that much, but does that mean there's no A6? Fucking rumors, hate them!

Making a quad core A15 based chip in time for it to be ready next week hasn't looked to be possible in a while now. It's best that they kept with the A9 and improved on it and called it the A5X. They could have called that the A6, but they chose to be honest. It's like the iPhone 4S, they could have made it exactly the same and called it the iPhone 5, but didn't because they want their numbers to have some sort of meaning.
 

Al-ibn Kermit

Junior Member
^No the 4S was "4 Steve".

RIP

Yep, and ASUS is about to release a $250 1280x800 Tegra 3 tab; I'm gonna feel sick when I hand over my cash to that Apple store employee knowing I could just wait a bit and get that beast.

That's for a 7 inch tablet, the Memo 370t. 10 inch version is comparatively priced with the iPad. Although it is pretty amazing that the memo 370t is nearly the same price as the Kindle Fire and the Nook considering the specs it has.


Meanwhile, Asus releases a tablet almost nobody will want compared to the iPad. Can't wait to see those lines around the corner at your local Best Buy store on launch day and websites crashing when pre-orders go up.

iPad 3 will sell this year alone more than what iPad 1 and 2 did since iPad 1's launch in total. I have no doubt of that.

They were nearly impossible to find for the first couple months it was out. Each batch would get sold out within an hour of being back in stock on Best Buy's site. I would know, I had to constantly scour the internet looking for it while twiddling my thumbs over my 4-7 week estimated delivery time on Amazon.

And that's a really bad thing actually. I wanted the thing on launch day, I sometimes don't even enjoy waiting for products that I want to use. I'm weird like that.
 

Al-ibn Kermit

Junior Member
I just want to know if anyone knows the how and why of it, not "attacking" anything.

Well the month and the year of a record are the most important dates in narrowing down records searches. So making the first and last pair of digits in a dating system tell the month and year seems logical.

That's my assumption, I don't know or care why it is actually like that.
 
Well the month and the year of a record are the most important dates in narrowing down records searches. So making the first and last pair of digits in a dating system tell the month and year seems logical.

That's my assumption, I don't know or care why it is actually like that.

When I get permission to do it I'll make a thread about it...
I don't know, it just strikes me as odd, you know? Especially since the idea for how it works in the rest of the world is that every unit makes the next one advance (days make months make years) like a clock... it's like putting the minutes first when telling the time.
Other countries just usually go dd/mm/yyyy or yyyy/mm/dd, it's weird for me that such an awkward positioning became the standard in the US, especially considering how it probably is prone to create errors and misunderstandings when communication with other nations occurs.

The basis of the idea seems weird, but I fully understand that now that it's become the standard over there that people continue to use it, after all, that's how they were brought up... (by this I mean I don't consider the rest of the world "better" or the US "worse", you know?)
 

Jasoco

Banned
Ah... well fuck if true. Unless there's going to be both A5X and A6 versions.

I guess we'll have to wait for Wednesday. But still.
 

Zeth

Member
Does dual vs quad core matter that much? With the way iOS is now? It's basically a single-tasking OS. I'll be more than happy with a beefy graphics chip, which is the most important part of the soc, considering the newly quadrupled number of pixels it needs to push. Obviously specs aren't as important to Apple as delivering an exceptional user experience.
 
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