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[Evolved1]

All caught up on this season. Shane is the smartest person in the group.

Actually... Shane is just as likely to get them all killed as anyone in the group. He's a destructive force and doesn't comprehend what's necessary to build and maintain community. And his power hungry narcissism will eventually be his undoing.

He has also made a bunch of retarded fucking "survival" decisions... and has only come out looking better in some matters (Sophia, the kid) because he's completely oblivious to the human elements Rick has been battling.

As a psychopath, Shane isn't burdened with the same consequences that Rick is facing. And while his actions might have kept them safer in the short term, the long term cost would be unsustainable, but he is too short sighted and self absorbed to consider anything like that, or actually question himself.

Rick, in contrast, weighs it all... considers everyone's position (even Shane's, whose input he holds in high regard despite his betrayal) and tries to make the best decision. And holds himself over the fire when he feels he's subjected others to unnecessary risk.

Rick is the only fucking sane one left of the bunch. And maybe Daryl. Those two have the best chance keeping the group alive.

Shane is literally a dead end.

 

[Amakusa]

Well, in the show, they were heading to Ft. Benning (Columbus, about 100 miles SW of Atlanta).

I would take the various "Highway 27's" to Columbus, rather than stay on 85/185. Heck, I think I might try to stay at one of the various buildings up on Pine Mountain. Elevated, enough space to fence off a section, and still sparsely populated.

Take up resident at FDR's Lil White House. Calloway Gardens should be empty too.

Was really hoping they would hit Columbus my home town, I would go back and play a zombie.

 

[3N16MA]

Actually... Shane is just as likely to get them all killed as anyone in the group. He's a destructive force and doesn't comprehend what's necessary to build and maintain community. And his power hungry narcissism will eventually be his undoing.

He has also made a bunch of retarded fucking "survival" decisions... and has only come out looking better in some matters (Sophia, the kid) because he's completely oblivious to the human elements Rick has been battling.

As a psychopath, Shane isn't burdened with the same consequences that Rick is facing. And while his actions might have kept them safer in the short term, the long term cost would be unsustainable, but he is too short sighted and self absorbed to consider anything like that, or actually question himself.

Rick, in contrast, weighs it all... considers everyone's position (even Shane's, whose input he holds in high regard despite his betrayal) and tries to make the best decision. And holds himself over the fire when he feels he's subjected others to unnecessary risk.

Rick is the only fucking sane one left of the bunch. And maybe Daryl. Those two have the best chance keeping the group alive.

Shane is literally a dead end.

Rick weighs the options a little too much and at times comes up with the wrong decision. I could see Rick trying to save Otis and getting himself killed in the process which would also lead to his sons death. He tried to save a kid who minutes earlier was trying to kill them. Not only did they waste ammo (something he tells Shane they have to stop doing) but he risked the lives of Glenn and Hershel. Like Andrea said, Shane often has the right train of thought he just needs to work on presenting it.

 

[Evolved1]

Rick weighs the options a little too much and at times comes up with the wrong decision. I could see Rick trying to save Otis and getting himself killed in the process which would also lead to his sons death. Like Andrea said, Shane often has the right train of thought he just needs to work on presenting it.

Unfortunately, sometimes there just isn't such a thing as a right decision. Fortunately though Rick is a major badass and hasn't had to murder a companion to escape a tough situation.

If anything, Rick has demonstrated that he probably would have gotten himself and Otis home ... alive.

Badass survival Shane locked himself in a damn bus when the pressure was on. Good thing Rick was there to save him... since Shane had no one to shoot this time.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Yeah, this thread is about to blow-the-fuck-up! Looking forward to some crazy heated discussion.

It's been a long time waiting, but these last two are my favorite episodes in the entire show. Some great moments here. Prepare for madness!

I actually only know what's going to happen tonight, I have no idea what's gonna go down in the finale and I intend to keep it that way.

But yeah it's gonna be hilarious. Must be double funny for you since you actually work on the show lulzz.

If anything, Rick has demonstrated that he probably would have gotten himself and Otis home ... alive.

word, shane is just some frantic psychopath obsessed with confrontation. This "world" has taken him over. Not bad to be like that, but when it starts affecting others in the group who AREN'T like that negatively (like uhhh killing one of them to escape), then it's time to stfu.

 

[3N16MA]

Unfortunately, sometimes there just isn't such a thing as a right decision. Fortunately though Rick is a major badass and hasn't had to murder a companion to escape a tough situation.

If anything, Rick has demonstrated that he probably would have gotten himself and Otis home ... alive.

Badass survival Shane locked himself in a damn bus when the pressure was on. Good thing Rick was there to save him... since Shane had no one to shoot this time.

Shane had the whole hoard chase him after Rick played dead.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Shane had the whole hoard chase him after Rick played dead.

rick is smarter than shane too then eh. And he wasn't ONLY playing dead, he was using the stench of the dead zombie to cover his own, like he did in season 1.

 

[Sean]

 

[Joni]

He is also the best written character. He hasn't said anything that made him look stupid or that is out of character this season.

 

[Arment]

Rick weighs the options a little too much and at times comes up with the wrong decision. I could see Rick trying to save Otis and getting himself killed in the process which would also lead to his sons death. He tried to save a kid who minutes earlier was trying to kill them. Not only did they waste ammo (something he tells Shane they have to stop doing) but he risked the lives of Glenn and Hershel. Like Andrea said, Shane often has the right train of thought he just needs to work on presenting it.

Rick wouldn't have gotten into that situation with Otis in the first place. He's smarter than Shane.

 

[3N16MA]

Looks like I'm the only one backing Shane. I got your back brother.

 

[Evolved1]

Shane had the whole hoard chase him after Rick played dead.

Yeah I know... that was a huge pussy moment for Rick when he was shooting zombies in the face through the skull of another.

And then saved the day by duct taping the kid's head to the seat of the getaway car...

By the way... entire zombie situation would have been avoided had Shane not fired the gun and thrown wrenches through windows.

 

[derFeef]

Rick is a badass.

 

[WedgeX]

Rick wouldn't have gotten into that situation with Otis in the first place. He's smarter than Shane.

Shane: contemplates killing best friend just because he didn't die. lets zombies waltz into camp. Doesn't follow rick into woods to save sofia. Gets surrounded by zombies, kills Otis. Opens barn, wastes ammo on killing trapped zombies. Emotionally scars young blondie. Fights Rick, unleashes zombies. Argues for killing Randall, alienates dale and dale goes for a walk and ((((

Shane is the worst.

 

[Kyoufu]

Shane is the only character with a brain.

Everyone else is either stupid, annoying or both.

Last week's episode really pissed me off. Shane said it best when he said "Carl why you always tryin to get yourself killed man?".

 

[3N16MA]

Yeah I know... that was a huge pussy moment for Rick when he was shooting zombies in the face through the skull of another.

And then saved the day by duct taping the kid's head to the seat of the getaway car...

By the way... entire zombie situation would have been avoided had Shane not fired the gun and thrown wrenches through windows.

Pretty sure Rick attacked Shane first.

 

[Decado]

Is the general lack of bad-ass episodes (exception of maybe 2 or 3) this season due to the budget cuts? Seems like the show-runners were spinning their wheels for the first 8 episodes. Still can't believe AMC slashed the budget of their top show.

 

[Evolved1]

Pretty sure Rick attacked Shane first.

To prevent reckless, impromptu execution of the kid...

Truth is, if they worked together Rick and Shane would be a great team. But Shane is only in it for himself.

 

[3N16MA]

To prevent reckless, impromptu execution of the kid...

Truth is, if they worked together Rick and Shane would be a great team. But Shane is only in it for himself.

Rick saved a kid who just took a shot at Glenn. He then brings him back to the farm so he can heal and then decides to dump him miles away by himself which is almost the same as leaving him where they found him. The kid knows about the farm and could be a danger to the group if he manages to relocate his group. What does Rick decide to do? Take him back to the farm again so he can sleep on it and come to a decision. He finally comes to a decision and then can't follow through. Lots dicking around which results in absolutely nothing. Shane would have done what Rick did not have the guts to do.

Shane and Rick would be a good team. However Rick always needs to lead but can't make the tough decision.

 

[Angry Fork]

Almost every post of mine in this thread has been hating on this little fucking cunt carl. I'm so glad that I've been vindicated and now everyone realizes how shitty he is. This kids face, the piecing blue serial killer eyes, that stupid fucking cowboy hat. His nonsensical lust/fetish for blood and killing. If there were no zombies to throw rocks at I could see him stabbing a dog just to see what happens. I hope he dies a long suffering death very soon.

Lori too because I'm tired of the 'family dynamic' and love triangle shit. Get back to basics go back to survival in the cities none of this 'but we have to worry about the baby' and then Rick puts his hand on her stomach, no, get rid of her. Everyone else I'm okay with.

And they kill Dale of all people. The only voice of reason. I was completely on board with him the last episode even though I know everyone else's plight and I love Shane btw who is infinitely interesting and a boss. But Dale was right here and he gets killed and Carl gets to continue walking around like he's top dog.

 

[derFeef]

Shane and Rick would be a good team. However Rick always needs to lead but can't make the tough decision.

Do we watch the same show?

 

[3N16MA]

Almost every post of mine in this thread has been hating on this little fucking cunt carl. I'm so glad that I've been vindicated and now everyone realizes how shitty he is. This kids face, the piecing blue serial killer eyes, that stupid fucking cowboy hat. His nonsensical lust/fetish for blood and killing. If there were no zombies to throw rocks at I could see him stabbing a dog just to see what happens. I hope he dies a long suffering death very soon.

Lori too because I'm tired of the 'family dynamic' and love triangle shit. Get back to basics go back to survival in the cities none of this 'but we have to worry about the baby' and then Rick puts his hand on her stomach, no, get rid of her. Everyone else I'm okay with.

And they kill Dale of all people. The only voice of reason. I was completely on board with him the last episode even though I know everyone else's plight and I love Shane btw who is infinitely interesting and a boss. But Dale was right here and he gets killed and Carl gets to continue walking around like he's top dog.

Carl also annoys the fuck out me. Feel like slapping that hat off his head.

 

[Arment]

Looks like I'm the only one backing Shane. I got your back brother.

There are a few times where Shane makes total sense.

But if you take everything he has done as a whole you cannot possibly back Shane with a clear conscious.

Carl also annoys the fuck out me. Feel like slapping that hat off his head.

Shane is a bad influence. <.<

 

[iammeiam]

The biggest problem with the Rick/Shane dynamic is that the writing on this show stumbles hugely when it comes to explaining character actions. They come across dumb, because they're written as not making a ton of sense.

Rick saving the kid does make some level of sense when you consider how the kid came to be shooting at him--three guys roll up to a bar, only to find that their groupmates inside have been murdered by some mysterious other people. One of them appears to want to just go, another (say the Shane or Andrea of that little team) decides the murderers must die and opens fire. Once the hothead of the Other Group opened fire, it was unlikely for anybody else on that side to declare themselves pacifist and refuse to fire. It's not like Randall started taking potshots at them while they were walking down the street one day--Rick fired at members of the other group first (with reason, but nobody in the other group could know that), and it was his decision to shoot that forced the situation that ultimately led to Randall firing on him/getting left behind injured.

Really I'm surprised nobody suggested just amputating the kid's ruined leg. He could hobble around the farm well enough on his own at that point, but wouldn't have much luck getting anywhere to warn anyone. No murdering, reduced danger.

 

[3N16MA]

There are a few times where Shane makes total sense.

But if you take everything he has done as a whole you cannot possibly back Shane with a clear conscious.




Shane is a bad influence.

It's the stupid look he has on his face all the time that annoys me.

 

[TOM f'N CRUISE]

Looks like I'm the only one backing Shane. I got your back brother.

nah man im also backing TEAM SHANE, but im sure hes going to die on one of these last two episodes

 

[Arment]

It's the stupid look he has on his face all the time that annoys me.

Dale is a bad influence.

I kid.

But yeah, kids in general never seem to be likeable on shows. They're either boring and therefor not worthy of notice or the writers make them do crazy irresponsible things and then you hate them.

Hopefully Carl gets his act together and redeems himself. I don't even think he's responsible for Dale's death because any zombie could have wandered in and lurked on Dale's ass. The guy was plain caught.

 

[3N16MA]

The biggest problem with the Rick/Shane dynamic is that the writing on this show stumbles hugely when it comes to explaining character actions. They come across dumb, because they're written as not making a ton of sense.

Rick saving the kid does make some level of sense when you consider how the kid came to be shooting at him--three guys roll up to a bar, only to find that their groupmates inside have been murdered by some mysterious other people. One of them appears to want to just go, another (say the Shane or Andrea of that little team) decides the murderers must die and opens fire. Once the hothead of the Other Group opened fire, it was unlikely for anybody else on that side to declare themselves pacifist and refuse to fire. It's not like Randall started taking potshots at them while they were walking down the street one day--Rick fired at members of the other group first (with reason, but nobody in the other group could know that), and it was his decision to shoot that forced the situation that ultimately led to Randall firing on him/getting left behind injured.

Really I'm surprised nobody suggested just amputating the kid's ruined leg. He could hobble around the farm well enough on his own at that point, but wouldn't have much luck getting anywhere to warn anyone. No murdering, reduced danger.

Rick still put himself, Glenn, and Hershel at risk for what? So he can sleep better at night knowing he saved the kid? Tough break for the kid but you don't put others at risk for him.

 

[Evolved1]

I always hate kids on television shows... so I'm in agreement with you there.

I hope he dies horribly. Making some kind of stupid decision that gets himself and his mom brother/sister killed as well. And then Rick can get down to business without having to worry about making "family" work in a post-apocalyptic world.

The writers aren't good enough to make that compelling or anything other than soap opera, so cut the fat and let these guys be badasses.

Also... cast a chick on the show that isn't mind numbingly stupid and ugly. One hot chick with brains... is that too much to ask?

 

[Volimar]

Shane: contemplates killing best friend just because he didn't die. lets zombies waltz into camp. Doesn't follow rick into woods to save sofia. Gets surrounded by zombies, kills Otis. Opens barn, wastes ammo on killing trapped zombies. Emotionally scars young blondie. Fights Rick, unleashes zombies. Argues for killing Randall, alienates dale and dale goes for a walk and ((((

Shane is the worst.

Don't forget he tried to rape Lori...

 

[themadcowtipper]

Shane only motivation is getting Lori for himself, It hasn't been protecting the group since Rick showed up.He just uses the group safety as an excuse to make Rick look bad.

 

[Arment]

Rick still put himself, Glenn, and Hershel at risk for what? So he can sleep better at night knowing he saved the kid? Tough break for the kid but you don't put others at risk for him.

This is about the only thing I've been mad at Rick for really. I blame the writers more, though.

 

[WedgeX]

Don't forget he tried to rape Lori...

That too! He's just the worst.

 

[Evolved1]

Rick still put himself, Glenn, and Hershel at risk for what? So he can sleep better at night knowing he saved the kid? Tough break for the kid but you don't put others at risk for him.

This was one of the only occasions I was disappointed with Rick's decision making... but I felt that it was somewhat justified (or at least I could appreciate his perspective) when he said "he's just a kid". Unfortunately, that entire sequence was poorly written and kind of dopey, and so I blame the writers/director more than the characters.

Generally I find the Rick stuff pretty compelling... but how all that went down was kinda dumb, and clearly forced. Not very subtle at all. But you get that with this show sometimes.

This is about the only thing I've been mad at Rick for really. I blame the writers more, though.

Haha... that's funny we blame the writers.

 

[iammeiam]

Rick still put himself, Glenn, and Hershel at risk for what? So he can sleep better at night knowing he saved the kid? Tough break for the kid but you don't put others at risk for him.

The way that scene was set up was definitely dumb--zombies right freaking on top of them and he's all "Let's do surgery! !"

That was stupid Rick, and had Shane been there and put Randall down at that point it would have actually made total sense to me. The walkers needed to be further off, or they needed to be better protected in the alley (maybe barricaded on both sides and they finally give up and rip the kid's leg off the fence when the barricade starts to fall, or something) for it to really work.

That scene was bad and does Rick no favors.

 

[TheVampire]

How long untill the episode airs?

 

[WedgeX]

How long untill the episode airs?

Two hours. Eastern time, at least.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

How long untill the episode airs?

It airs at the same time every Sunday, how have you not figured it out by now? 2 hours.

 

[TheVampire]

It airs at the same time every Sunday, how have you not figured it out by now? 2 hours.

Maybe because I'm in a different fucking timezone.

 

[Lonestar]

Still, Shane DID beat the crap out of the wife beater

 

[WedgeX]

Still, Shane DID beat the crap out of the wife beater

Only because he couldn't bang Lori any more.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Only because he couldn't bang Lori any more.

exactly. Regardless of anything that can be seen as good that he has done, it was all due to murky ass motives.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Lori's baby isn't going to be a zombie... it'll be

Spoiler

black

.

Haters owned.

Will the baby speak before Theodore does?

 

[Wray]

Will the baby speak before Theodore does?

Yeah it's going to say "Oh hell nawwww!"

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

He is also the best written character. He hasn't said anything that made him look stupid or that is out of character this season.

People already forgot the god damned stupid hallucinating T-dog plot that was reheated for the hallucinating Daryl ep?

 

[Yen]

People already forgot the god damned stupid hallucinating T-dog plot that was reheated for the hallucinating Daryl ep?

I don't remember that at all.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Will the baby speak before Theodore does?

Yeah it's going to say "Oh hell nawwww!"

OMG.

 

[Volimar]

I don't remember that at all.

What about the guy digging the holes? It made me groan thinking they were going to try some kind of supernatural/vision crap...

Thankfully that guy is tied to a tree now or something...

 

[WedgeX]

I don't remember that at all.

Theodore was sick with infection-induced fever, talking at Dale about not trusting hick cops. During the initial Sofia search.

 

[3N16MA]

Who actually believes Rick could take Shane in a fight? Shane is ripped and has the killer instinct. Rick is built like a 13 year old boy.