This is why that content is for Coin Rush, a mode intended to be played over and over.
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"Nintendo Direct" announcement: New Super Mario Bros 2 DLC [¥200 for pack of 3 maps]
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This is why that content is for Coin Rush, a mode intended to be played over and over.
Oh no, $2! That's the difference between comfortable living and being on the streets in a box and begging for booze.
Walking Dead is still going strong.
Nintendo isn't doing achievements in every game, my hope is their not going to do DLC in every game. Just the ones that they feel it can be applied to.
'my hope'
Am still sad episodic died though
Walking Dead is still going strong.
Nocturnowl
Member
But what if I choose to hold onto this amount of money and use it for other purposes like a tasty lunchtime snack? that'll show them.
Mario levels have a massive amount of replay value. If these were designed as DLC they may be even more complex than a regular level.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Yeah, you could almost buy a nice sandwich for that! Or maybe two snicker bars.
Nintendo won't know what hit them.
KojiKnight
Member
TT has made episodic work for a number of years, but it's also the only company that makes point and click games work. I wonder if it's not so much the former but the latter that keeps it a float.
I think we can all safely say that it was companies like Valve that killed the episodic genre... Too many companies said "Hey, we'll be able to get you content faster and when they are all out we'll package them together at a discount!". This backfired in two big ways... It taught people that if they wanted the "whole" game they were better off waiting. Both because then they wouldn't have to wait to see what happens and because overall it would be cheaper. Secondly (and as a partial consequence to the first) it taught gamers to be cynical of episodic games because developers often wouldn't finish them!
Poor sales from episodic games then often meant their premature death... leaving the story untold and fans who had bought the episodes up to that point very upset. This was kind of chicken and egg with point one but also in some ways people felt kind of cheated. Companies were using episodic releases as a way to charge MORE for the same amount of content (Why charge $50 for a game when they could break it into 4 parts for $20?)
Overall episodic content is one of those things that sounds ideal, but in implementation was mostly just a cash grab at the consumer's expense.
*realizes this post is probably very rantish/nonsensical... but it's 5am and I don't feel like rewriting it*
Snowden's Secret
Banned
I had to go to bed right after the announcement so I missed most of this thread, but has the reaction to the price been more, "Cool, way cheaper than I expected!" or "OMFG rip-off!"?
I'm more of the former; assumming that Nintendo prices these at $2 for 3 stages, that comes out to $.67 per stage, and I was certain that it would be at least $1 per stage, if not like $1.67 (three stages for $5).
There are, by my count, 81 stages in NSMB2, so the included stages are $.50 a piece approximately, and these are only $.67 which is pretty good. This also falls in line with expected retail pricing, where things are cheaper per unit when you buy them in larger quantites (for example, if you buy 4 AA batteries, they are $6, but if you buy 48 AA batteries, they are $8 or whatever).
I'm more of the former; assumming that Nintendo prices these at $2 for 3 stages, that comes out to $.67 per stage, and I was certain that it would be at least $1 per stage, if not like $1.67 (three stages for $5).
There are, by my count, 81 stages in NSMB2, so the included stages are $.50 a piece approximately, and these are only $.67 which is pretty good. This also falls in line with expected retail pricing, where things are cheaper per unit when you buy them in larger quantites (for example, if you buy 4 AA batteries, they are $6, but if you buy 48 AA batteries, they are $8 or whatever).
Valve's too perfectionist to make episodic work and the other companies aren't good enough/types of games they create don't work.
ITT, people who never interacted with DLC before complain about a very reasonably priced DLC. Three crazy Mario levels for less than a TF2 key? Yes, please.
And LOL at the guy complainig about how games were complete in the past: what about Street Fighter, where you had to rebuy the entire game to get a couple new characters and balance tweaks? What about Nintendo's eReader, which sold additional mario levels almost 10 years ago?
And LOL at the guy complainig about how games were complete in the past: what about Street Fighter, where you had to rebuy the entire game to get a couple new characters and balance tweaks? What about Nintendo's eReader, which sold additional mario levels almost 10 years ago?
They are score attack levels, which don't make sense as a "world".
If I understand there is a pack to reach easily 30k coins but it's still the limit.
Also it seems they got all the bases covered with these new packs, so I wonder what can be next, if there is something, the same categories again with new levels maybe.
The star coin placement in the bullet bill level... challenge accepted.
Also it seems they got all the bases covered with these new packs, so I wonder what can be next, if there is something, the same categories again with new levels maybe.
The star coin placement in the bullet bill level... challenge accepted.
Holy Order Sol
Member
I need all of that shit in my VEINS. Feed me.
BassForever
Member
That hard mode stage with the canon O.O dear god I need this
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Pretty much.
Iwata himself said that Nintendo is not interested in developing DLC alongside the main game, just to never include it but rather sell it after launch. This looks like something they started development of after finishing up the game itself, and it's being released at quite a reasonable price - anyone know of any comparable games that have gotten DLC levels for that price?
ScreenSplitter
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Not buying this because I don't like NSMB2. If this were Galaxy, I would buy every level pack. Twice. You might disagree with the general idea of DLC in general, but it's nowhere near as bad as the kind of shit say, Capcom pulls. Sure it might not be as elegant as Lair of the Shadow Broker but... it's a Mario game! More levels is good right?
And didn't people complain about NSMB2's low difficulty? Isn't this JUST for them? Gamers man.
And didn't people complain about NSMB2's low difficulty? Isn't this JUST for them? Gamers man.
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Deleted member 1235
Unconfirmed Member
take my fucking money nintendo. take it all.
I've been playing coin rush on the bus daily and that shit is RAD. talk about teaching you the secrets of levels again, I'm getting so good and finding all the little tricks and traps. Its GREAT. I think I might actually make it to a million (only at 160,000)
I've been playing coin rush on the bus daily and that shit is RAD. talk about teaching you the secrets of levels again, I'm getting so good and finding all the little tricks and traps. Its GREAT. I think I might actually make it to a million (only at 160,000)
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Deleted member 1235
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I just realised the expert pack, one death and you don't get to even see the next level. this has potential to be SM3DL last level hard.
entremet
Member
Are there people who actually ''liked'' the game who are hating the pricing? Or are people who either hated NSMB2 or the New series and are just complaining to complain?
I loved the game and the pricing seem fair to me. 2 bucks, guys? Really? I know times are tough, but complaining about two bucks? These are levels not stupid costumes or hats--Capcom, EA, Namco--I'm looking at you.
I loved the game and the pricing seem fair to me. 2 bucks, guys? Really? I know times are tough, but complaining about two bucks? These are levels not stupid costumes or hats--Capcom, EA, Namco--I'm looking at you.
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Deleted member 1235
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6 bucks for 9 levels. how much did people expect?
It goes back to old school Mario design, I'd say. Die and do the whole world over from the last save point. Of course, you now only have one chance.
Nah, there are also people who just hate DLC on principle and are annoyed that it exists at all, regardless of how reasonable it may or may not be.
The levels look amazing
Word!
Shitty? Awesome levels are awesome levels!
TheGreatDivide
Banned
In order to add items and scan levels in games such as Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3, a player required two Game Boy Advance systems and a link cable.
But... all of Coin Rush mode works this way, with a single death requiring you to start over the whole set. I'm not sure I see the difference.
Maybe because you don't play the levels first in single player? But even in SP you have to beat levels in order (if you ignore secret paths).
Bloody hell, people really don't want Nintendo to evolve.
I do not think that this is cut content being recycled. I believe this is Nintendo genuinely putting out made content for the game.
I hope though that Nintendo plans on keeping DLC at fair purchase level rather than what we are seeing with other publishers actually inflating DLC prices above and beyond the price of the actual game. That folks is something to kick a fuss about.
I do not think that this is cut content being recycled. I believe this is Nintendo genuinely putting out made content for the game.
I hope though that Nintendo plans on keeping DLC at fair purchase level rather than what we are seeing with other publishers actually inflating DLC prices above and beyond the price of the actual game. That folks is something to kick a fuss about.
Are there really idiots out there saying that?
Nintendo have been really really clear on their stance on DLC and nickel-and-diming people for this stuff. Why is this even an issue? Oh right ...because the internet.
Back in the dark ages (=before the internet) when you heard this nonsense on schoolyards you could at least go on pretending that only the kids around you were idiots. Now you know the issue is global.
If anything, Nintendo entering the DLC market with decent proposals of actual new stuff at good prices (if it goes by the FF Theatrhythm exchange from Yen, we will probably pay less than 2 bucks) will make other publisher's offers look more nickel & diming than they already look like (and are) and with some luck, get a hit in demand so they can rethink their strategy.
JacksUsername
Member
While the levels look pretty neat, I could never get into Coin Rush mode, so I'll probably pass.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I would LOVE this, especially more Retro converted classic tracks.
DLC seems like a really good solution for Nintendo flagships like NSMB, SSB or Mario Kart imo, since we tend to only get one per platform. The games have longer lifecycles than usual already, and this would really help keep interest going in them perpetually.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
The appeal of coin rush really hinges on streetpass imo. Running 3 random levels had almost no appeal for me, but beating others' best scores is really addictive (plus they usually give you a decent 3 level string).
I think EAD needed to find a way to implement the functionality online, it's really the best part of the game and totally lost on westerners outside major cities. It'd be amazing if I could go in my friendslist and totally shame johntv!
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Leaderboards are nice, but it's really the 1:1 exchange I like. It'd be better if I could challenge people I actually know online too, rather than just strangers on the train.The second pack will show WW leaderboards on the site
Speaking of which, apparently the two other packs will not... why ?The second pack will show WW leaderboards on the site
And the cap still seems to be at 30000 coins, what's the point of leaderboards then ?
Still some baffling decisions for those DLC's, I hope I'm wrong though.
While the cap is 30k, it may not be necessarily possible to reach that cap within this particular DLC pack.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
But during the NES - PS2 era there was plenty and plenty of "paying for extra":
1992, expansion pack
Hell, compare Tribunal/Bloodmoon (Morrowind's retail expansion packs) with Knights of the Nine / Shimmering Isles (Oblivion's DLC expansion packs).
Rush2thestart
Member
Is this part of the NOA Nintendo Direct? Did it already happen?
Yeah I can see Nintendo doing this to keep their evergreen software, more evergreen!
Animal Crossing could be the one title though that Nintendo nickel and dime consumers with as you could potentially sell almost anything in an AC world. $2 for 4 new towns people! $5 for 100k in in-game currency. $7 for upgrades to buildings. Endless DLC.
There aren't that many level combinations that allow you to get to 30k are there?
But during the NES - PS2 era there was plenty and plenty of "paying for extra":
1992, expansion pack
Hell, compare Tribunal/Bloodmoon (Morrowind's retail expansion packs) with Knights of the Nine / Shimmering Isles (Oblivion's DLC expansion packs).
I'm pretty sure he meant console DLC.
I'm pretty sure there are only two levels you can start with if you want to hit 30k.