Dehumanizer
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"Nintendo Direct" announcement: New Super Mario Bros 2 DLC [¥200 for pack of 3 maps]
- Thread starter Ondore
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Regarding the e-Reader levels, the MSRP was $6 for a pack that included 5 new level cards and various power-ups or demo movies (the latter being a forerunner to the Super Skills videos in NSMBWii). $2 for 3 levels in NSMB2 sounds quite reasonable by comparison, though I'd still prefer to have the awesome cards.
By the way, those e-Reader levels (including the Japan-exclusive sets) were some of the finest 2D Mario work in the franchise's history; it's a shame that the e-Reader setup (requiring 2 GBAs at once!) was so prohibitively expensive as to keep most Mario fans from ever having played them.
By the way, those e-Reader levels (including the Japan-exclusive sets) were some of the finest 2D Mario work in the franchise's history; it's a shame that the e-Reader setup (requiring 2 GBAs at once!) was so prohibitively expensive as to keep most Mario fans from ever having played them.
metalslimer
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I don't really know. I mean I could see if this was Nintendo's first DLC, but Fire Emblem broke that barrier months ago.
Error Macro
Member
Nintendo + DLC = 2012 end of the world confirmed
Not to mention that we've know for ages it would get DLC, it's not held back material, it's based on user surveys and it's cheap.
Why would you do that?
Member
Funny... I go from NeoGAF for a few hours, and a (mini-)Nintendo Direct was not only announced, but streamed? I guess the jokes about the short notice announcements becoming shorter is true. 
Can't see why people are upset at the information, though. It all seems reasonable IMO. (Though I can see people being disappointed at this being a mini-Nintendo Direct if they got their hopes up.)
A good point. The e-Reader levels were 83¢ each, while the New SMB levels are 66¢ each.
Can't see why people are upset at the information, though. It all seems reasonable IMO. (Though I can see people being disappointed at this being a mini-Nintendo Direct if they got their hopes up.)
A good point. The e-Reader levels were 83¢ each, while the New SMB levels are 66¢ each.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Would love to see where they said that as most of the time when that happens, fans say it and the company hasn't at all.
Yeah if the US is similar, sounds like it will be a total of $6 for 9 levels. Not bad. It's legitimately new content and not stuff held back, so it's an option to extend life to a fun game. I've been done with NSMB2 for a little while now so the timing is about perfect too. Anyone who doesn't want it has the option to not buy, so any negativity makes no sense.
Wasn't there supposed to be a US version of the direct by now? I'd like to know the date and the price for us here.
Gorilla Shark
Member
I think this is great news. Not sure why people are upset. In the 80's/90's if I could pay $3 for some new mario levels it would have made me a happy kid for weeks.
Ninja Scooter
Member
People get upset about all DLC even though this same logic can be applied to any of it. Nintendo isn't exempt from this crazy criticism.
sakipon
Member
What would be the solution though? Releasing a NSMB2 sequel?
Personally I feel the game has already offered me enough. I bought it on the launch day and am not even near a million coins + still have a few secret exits to find.
Shadowlink
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Day one!
Ninja Scooter
Member
Dont ask me. I'm not one of those wack jobs that hates DLC. Hell I used the same "If you told me when I was a kid that I could pay $10 and get a bunch of new characters in SF2...." argument when people were going ape shit over paid DL characters in Capcom fighting games.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
As long as they never offer Waluigi, their DLC will have SOME worth.
No, you'll buy "Mario 1985 skin", "Mario 1991 skin", "Mario Gameboy skin".
Get your wallet out.
NotoriousLynx
Banned
Oh my god! Nintendo is using a concept that almost every developer has been using for six years! How dare they incorporate other ideas and modernize some of their past beliefs!
walking fiend
Member
didn't they say they would be doing DLC [in general]? what's all this stupid shock and rage?
The Mana Legend
Banned
Regarding the e-Reader levels, the MSRP was $6 for a pack that included 5 new level cards and various power-ups or demo movies (the latter being a forerunner to the Super Skills videos in NSMBWii). $2 for 3 levels in NSMB2 sounds quite reasonable by comparison, though I'd still prefer to have the awesome cards.
By the way, those e-Reader levels (including the Japan-exclusive sets) were some of the finest 2D Mario work in the franchise's history; it's a shame that the e-Reader setup (requiring 2 GBAs at once!) was so prohibitively expensive as to keep most Mario fans from ever having played them.
I hope to God the next time they remake SMB3 they include the e-Reader levels. They look incredible.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Every day is a good day to get outraged about Nintendo and/or DLC I guess?
LoftyTheMetroid
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...Those levels looked really good. I'm genuinely impressed.
But even more impressive was the price point. I was bracing for a big squeeze after all the Fire Emblem DLC, but I think these prices are very fair. It's at just the right price.
(...Which is fortunate, since I felt like I already paid $10 too much with the $40 digital price. I mentioned that in my Club Nintendo survey... which makes me wonder, could these more reasonable DLC prices also be from CN feedback, from both NSMB and FE...?)
But even more impressive was the price point. I was bracing for a big squeeze after all the Fire Emblem DLC, but I think these prices are very fair. It's at just the right price.
(...Which is fortunate, since I felt like I already paid $10 too much with the $40 digital price. I mentioned that in my Club Nintendo survey... which makes me wonder, could these more reasonable DLC prices also be from CN feedback, from both NSMB and FE...?)
airmangataosenai
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Hahahaha
Does anyone have links to the old thread about how Nintendo is "The company to finally get DLC right"?
Does anyone have links to the old thread about how Nintendo is "The company to finally get DLC right"?
Here's a playlist of the 20 that only came out in Japan: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7B7E85F81F3AAEE9&feature=plcp
Escape the Fortress!! is cool.
Karsticles
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Why? Most people here seem happy about the DLC.
walking fiend
Member
apparently.
You mean the one which was about the vanilla version not being broken and incomplete? It wasn't about how expensive they believe the DLCs should be
Is it a good thing, or a bad thing?
By my count, NSMB2 has 74 levels. At $40, that works out to about $0.54 per level. However, the $40 price also includes the game engine, assets, packaging, ect. $2 for 3 levels works out to about $0.66 per level. This works out to about a 22% increase in the per-level price of the base game vs DLC, or more depending on how you choose to value the game engine + assets + ect that Nintendo didn't have to develop for the DLC. From a pure cost/value perspective the new levels are overpriced, but then so is all DLC. I personally won't be buying any of it, partially because I refuse to support DLC of any kind and partially because I couldn't care less about coin rush mode.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Bought!
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
Nintendo probably calculated it like you did, and made the DLC levels 22% more interesting to balance the equation!
NSMB2 has 85 levels, not counting rainbow levels.
You're making a pretty big deal over $0.20.
Good lord no.
sakipon
Member
Are you saying they are approximately... 20% cooler?
Dreams-Visions
Member
$2 for DLC.
Let me feign outrage.
Let me feign outrage.
Anyone who hyped up an off the cuff ND that was actually being serious instead of purposely hyperbolic was being ridiculous. The levels look awesome, and we expected NOTHING tonight before about 8 o' clock. Anyone actually being upset about this puzzles me. It isn't like Nintendo hyped the ND at all, it's cool that they reach out to fans and show them what this stuff is all about in an off the cuff fashion.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Are people still failing to deal with economy of scale when trying to calculate the 'value' of DLC by parting out every little component of a base game?
Hint: it can cost more to have some fully paid employees sit and make individual levels after the primary development of a game is finished.
This is why all DLC is "overpriced". Why, for example, a DLC fighting game character may be $5 by itself since it has to be designed, modeled, animated, voice acted, play tested, bug tested, and the base game re-tested and tweaked for the addition of the new character.
You cannot grab a calculator and split up every level in a retail game to determine the exact value of additional levels created after the game shipped and the team went into full production on another project.
Hint: it can cost more to have some fully paid employees sit and make individual levels after the primary development of a game is finished.
This is why all DLC is "overpriced". Why, for example, a DLC fighting game character may be $5 by itself since it has to be designed, modeled, animated, voice acted, play tested, bug tested, and the base game re-tested and tweaked for the addition of the new character.
You cannot grab a calculator and split up every level in a retail game to determine the exact value of additional levels created after the game shipped and the team went into full production on another project.
NotoriousLynx
Banned
By my count, Fallout 3 can have up to 300 hours of game time in just a single playthrough. At $60, that works out to about $0.20 per hour. Fallout 3 has five DLC packs which a lot of people consider to be how DLC should be like. Each of them cost $10 and can last up to 10 hours. That's $1.00 per hour, $0.80 more than the standalone game. This works out to about a 400% increase (my math could be wrong) in the per-level price of the base game vs DLC, or in other words, shut up. (Someone should really check to see if my math is correct, I'm honestly not the best at it and I'm tired.)
How is this not getting DLC right? The levels look fantastic, and they didn't skimp on the content in the game itself, these are truly extra. AND they are super cheap. This is doing DLC right, new content, at cheap prices to extend the life of your games. As opposed to nearly everyone else who releases same day DLC, or so soon after the game is released that it is clear that it was already made and should have been on the disc.
It's the same price as big mac and I wont poop it out afterwards.
Let's feign together.
I concur.