Nothing--unless it actively interferes with that knowledge. Like the time Ryan and Jeff staunchly refused to stand the fuck up to play Wii Sports. Instead, they kept their not insignificant rumps firmly wedged in a sofa while throwing gutterball after gutterball and expressing frustration and disdain for the game.
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Nothing--unless it actively interferes with that knowledge. Like the time Ryan and Jeff staunchly refused to stand the fuck up to play Wii Sports. Instead, they kept their not insignificant rumps firmly wedged in a sofa while throwing gutterball after gutterball and expressing frustration and disdain for the game.
oh now I get why they have a hard on for Giant Bomb.
WrenchNinja
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RedNumberFive
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John Rabbit
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nothing, and as the quote "Fat guys playing Games" doesn't suggest, no attempt was made to link the two concepts whatsoever. giant bomb's credibility on whether a videogame is "good" or not rarely rests on their physical stature (unless its a kinect fitness game). now if they suddenly started reviewing health drinks and diet fads, there would obviously be a huge (no pun) issue.
i seriously doubt ryan or jeff thinks about this for more than a nanosecond before initiating another carb download in the form of beer on their live shows or promoting the idea that eating 100 chicken nuggets in rapid succession is somehow a fun, or even a good, thing to do.
i would say it's near impossible to experience the content on giant bomb without actually knowing what they look like. even the written articles occasionally have a picture of the author or another GB-staffer.
RedNumberFive
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I think it would be very interesting to see the GB crew do a fitness game "endurance run". It would be great to see which games are the most effective.
BibiMaghoo
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John Rabbit
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i feel like jeff has made allusions (some overt) to him trying to lose weight. sometimes it looks like he has, and others he looks almost as big as ryan. maybe it's his clothes.
good on him if he's really trying though.
DangerStepp
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I'm a games writr
And I'm. SO. SERIOUS. ABOUT. WRITING. ABOUT. VIDEO GAMES! SERIOUUUSSSLY!!!
It's not even funny. Don't laugh!
And I'm. SO. SERIOUS. ABOUT. WRITING. ABOUT. VIDEO GAMES! SERIOUUUSSSLY!!!
It's not even funny. Don't laugh!
Actually I do "understand how this works" as I've been getting paid to write professionally for more than 15 years now.
Professional media outlets are very strict about attribution rules and clarity. If you didn't participate in the interview, you don't use the quote as your own. If you use someone else's quote, you attribute it in the body. The main reason for not using a quote you didn't get without attribution is because you can't verify the exact words that were said.
That's why the Metal Gear Solid movie news piece on Polygon would have never passed through the copy edit department at a traditional news outlet. The author used a single source (another, competing journalist's twitter account) and did not attribute anything in the body of the text.
You are correct in saying that sometimes group interviews are done (usually at junkets and press events), but even then, the same rules apply. If you are there at the roundtable then anything that is said, you can use directly. If you are not there, then if you pull a quote from another source you attribute it when it's used.
For the IA Nintendo piece, that was generated by Nintendo's PR department. No media outlets were asking questions. Polygon didn't have someone there. That raises two red flags right away. One, it needs to be clearly attributed to Nintendo from the start. Two, there is no independent confirmation of what's said. It's a single source feature which would be held for publication by any professional news outlet.
Now granted, none of this is an issue for blogs. blogs don't have nearly the same sort of editorial quality as traditional news outlets and that's fine. Blogs are more focused on speed (as opposed to accuracy). Getting multiple viewpoints in a post is not a concern for a blog. Blogs are opinion driven by nature. And that's fine.
To be honest, none of my criticism would be raised against Polygon if they were positioning themselves as another blog. If they were, then this would be par for the course.
But they're not. The Polygon editors have said that they are the best in the business, that they have years of experience and they're going to raise the bar for gaming journalism.
My criticism comes from holding them to their words. I would love to see a site like what they describe (hell I'd love to work for a site like they describe), but so far what they've been delivering is not what they've been promising.
If they can eliminate the mis-steps and focus on achieving their stated goal, they will be a force to be reckoned with. If they keep going on the path as-is, they will simply be a Kotaku/Gawker clone.
That's absolutely not what I meant, and you've taken it to extremes. I just don't see why someone who is just doing their job is worthy of being targeted for such vitriol. Sure, perhaps someone doesn't like their site, their writing, whatever, but to say they "hate" them and to root for their business endeavour to fail? That's just sad.
Didn't know that, yeah, that's not cool - if true, but it's their site and people have a choice to read/watch or not. It's kind of what bugs me the most. People complain about content on a site, then they go back there every other day. Look at Eurogamer (not singling them out, but they're a great example of this), every single time they score a game, the comments are full of people complaining - yet they go back for the next one :-S If I don't like a TV show, I don't watch it again.
Maybe, but I think that's part of their thing isn't it? Trust me, it's a crowded market out there, and they've made themselves very visible, presumably to try and get their community to feel a part of the site.
Hold on.
You really think it's okay for them to post an article entirely consisting of information lifted from a feature on the Nintendo website without once saying that's where they got it or linking to the original source?
Seriously?
twinturbo2
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I decided to apply for one of their game reviewer positions. I'll see if my moonshot gets me somewhere.
famousmortimer
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I'm the one who said it and I am, in fact, very fat, which I make jokes about all of the time.
I understand that our podcast was randomly linked in this thread, and that's cool - we certainly don't want it hidden from the world - but we aren't trying to be any sort of great thing. It's just a couple friends having a chat. We keep a very light atmosphere but we also use rather colorful language. I have described games as giving me AIDS. I believe I called Modnation Racers Vita my personal 9/11.
Obviously games haven't given me aids or been a terror attack on me, I don't hate Arthur Gies, I definitely don't hold any malice against Giant Bomb for being fat bastards like I am. I do, however, think it's hysterical how obsessed with Giant Bomb neogaf is and like to poke fun at that. But if you keep listening (and I realize that most of you won't - and for good reason) you will see that the butt of most of jokes is us.
I don't care that people don't like the podcast, I never expected it to get more than 20 listeners when we started it 3 years ago. So feel free to hate it and really I'm not even so defensive that I can't handle this thread becoming an indictment against us. But I did, atleast, want to set the record straight that we are just a bunch of assholes. I mean, you guys have already figured that out, but I guess I wanted to confirm it for you.
twinturbo2
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Stupid question, but who should I address my cover letter to?
"Hello?" A cover letter for a game site shouldn't be too formal. They're uptight enough to require a resume though, so a "Dear Hiring Editor," wouldn't be totally out of line.
The BF was going to apply as well but I think he's done the cycle of writing about games for six months before realizing he detests it and stopping for another six.
Dude, I like your podcast and think it is awesome, quit being so defeatist,
you fucking asshole.
twinturbo2
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Yeah, I edited my post to be more helpful. : )
famousmortimer
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Not defeatest, just being a realist. What James and I do is definitely enjoyed by people (and most importantly it's enjoyed by us). The people who like the show seem to really, really like the show. The numbers are amazingly consistent (except for this episode which has gotten the 'neogaf bump'). I'm proud of it. But I have zero delusions that its for everyone. If neogaf allowed podcast advertising i'm not even sure if I would list it here as I don't think that this place is our target audience. That's not a knock on neogaf, I love this site (as anyone who listens to the podcast regularly knows). I just know the type of stuff that people are into here and the type of 'content' we produce aren't exactly the same.
twinturbo2
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Fair enough, really.
For what it's worth, I didn't say I hated the podcast, just was put off by those comments. You guys seem to have a rapport, which you can only get from really being mates. Podcasts are a great place to let off steam. Some of the stuff I (and others) have said on ours, I don't think I'd ever actually "write" in a feature. Like you say, you enjoy it, which is the most important thing.
brotkasten
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It's coming very soon.
I'd have guessed Wednesday (to tie with the final documentary episode), but that would mean they aren't publishing any reviews between now and Wednesday which would be weird.
Graphics Horse
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Today was their last day at the Verge.
http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/10/19/3527820/a-fond-farewell-to-the-verge-from-polygon
I wasn't really joking when I suggested it would come out on the same days as IE on Xbox 360.
Nope.
billy beane
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Brah when's Polygon launching?
Timan
Developer
Either monday or tuesday is what I'm hearing. BUSY week for voxmedia
Send out some beta keys man.
IrishNinja
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^goddamn
The context was criticism of games journalists advertising a game on Twitter in order to win a PS3
Team Filler
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Holy shit, even I flinched reading that.
The context was criticism of games journalists advertising a game on Twitter in order to win a PS3
Self awareness is not a hallmark of New Games Journalism
Terbinator
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Ice cold.
RedNumberFive
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The context was criticism of games journalists advertising a game on Twitter in order to win a PS3
McElroy is the LAST person who should be lecturing anyone on ethical behavior.
pharmboy044
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GlamFM
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Blah blah blah... the constant Polygon bashing is really boring.
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I´m really excited for the page - I have a feeling that it will become my goto page together with Giant Bomb and GAF of course.
Lot of people I really like work there now.
Oh and BTW: I really like the documentary, and I don´t care who payed for it - why would I?
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I´m really excited for the page - I have a feeling that it will become my goto page together with Giant Bomb and GAF of course.
Lot of people I really like work there now.
Oh and BTW: I really like the documentary, and I don´t care who payed for it - why would I?
I have no real interest in this website, one way or the other, but self-awareness is a pretty good thing.
What has he actually done that is not ethical in your eyes?
GlamFM
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He was excited about a game - shame on him.
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