The Lamonster
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Halo |OT12| Last One Out, Get the Lights
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because people can't divorce aesthetics from mechanics
I dont play customs, I hop on at odd hours and play in shorter bursts. If it doesnt hit matchmaking, I'll never see it sadly.
Tomorrow morning because of mysterious embargo.
They wouldn't want to tell us they're fixing file browser that soon, would they?
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Tomorrow, embargo or something
Even with all the features 343's cut, the effort you/THC and the halo community are putting in just to get this game to work is quite impressive.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
What the hell? Thats not modded? Man that has some potential for some interesting game types. Also, I now want to play that map, but they should have made it on Complex since it already has a Jurassic Park fence, haha.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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As I said the DMR destroys maps too much for it to be a spawn weapon. And I'm more for buffing weapons before nerfing them.
To the underlined, I don't understand this mentality. Pistols can range anywhere from a cap gun up to a .50 cal. Who's to say that 500 years in the future, we haven't developed a more powerful pistol. As for the bolded, no. I want it to be a more defensive anti-scope weapon, compared to the DMR being a more offensive anti-scope weapon. And why isn't the BR suitable for pinging snipers? It's the perfect sniper ping tool.
EDIT1: An old version that I've started to update.
EDIT2: It's been a long time since I used that as my avatar.
The simple answer is physics my friend, even if you evolve the pistol in the future the rifle has a longer barrel so the same advanced pistol projectile technology applied to a rifle means higher velocity and therefore greater accuracy over higher ranges, regardless.
It's simple physics.
Further futuristic games such as Halo are grounded in technology of today for relevancy and familiarity. The fact Bungie/343 have real snipers, seals and other highly trained personnel advising and providing weapons, cadence, audio, ranges, accuracies etc has me more than happy about the sandboxes they create.
Name one real world pistol that out performs a rifle, there's this hierarchy for a reason.
I disagree the DMR breaks maps, maybe a couple but not as a global rule of thumb. On maps like Complex the DMR is a perfect fit over the DMR. When indoors in hallways a BR vs. DMR is more than a fair game for a fight either way. Other maps like Ragnarok are fine for me, I can traverse the map just the same as I did Valhalla in Halo 3, doesn't matter if I'm with a regular team or a random team getting owned. I still remain basically positive and can move solo through cover to cover or use camo to stealth out of ugly situations before they arise.
If you look at "pro BR players" such as yourself you complained about kill times in Reach being too slow, similar comments in Halo 3, but especially considering sprint with Reach. Now in Halo 4 even with sprint the DMR and the BR are both very capable weapons that kill with a solid balance for players that make mistakes vs. players that use sprint/cover intelligently to their advantage to disengage then re-engage.
I just don't see the issues as much as you guys do, perhaps it's my play style.
I find other factors such as map movement, teamwork, awareness, armour abilities are far more important and impacting to map flows or player kills vs. deaths than the DMR having a 3X scope.
Well said mate, I support the custom classic settings by the competitive/professional players, I just disagree with some that think all of Halo playlists have to be classic like.
Deputy Moonman
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Is there sprint?!
Wow, this whole situation is kind of funny haha. We should try emulating Halo 2. Anyone got some good remakes?
There is not.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Obviously the developers have other behind the scenes reasons for many of these options not being in custom game options.
If some Forge bugs, hex editing or old modding tools from Reach/3 can do this based on community workers then it has to be other developer reasons like:
1. Keeping a narrow field of semi-universal settings.
2. Forcing players out of customs and into matchmaking.
3. Keeping Forge maps/settings out of matchmaking.
4. Forcing players into the 343 version of the game.
5. Restrictive patch/update Q&A or release costs.
Again if 343i would have some more transparency we wouldn't have to speculate about such topics. To me it just seems weird they removed or did not add in a bunch of these settings for custom games.
Matchmaking is fine if you want us to trial your developer game settings for a couple of months but the developer should have always planned for custom options to remain or exist for customs or rapid changes to their own game/matchmaking based on player feedback.
Deputy Moonman
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Damn i hate vehicles in halo. They were never an issue until Halo3. Ever since that game, they've just become stupid killing machines that decide the outcome of games. Gauss hog, tank, and banshee should never be in halo multiplayer ever again. Stupid stupid stupid.
I know right? How hard is to provide a halo game that appeals to fans of the original halo games and not just some poor attempt at attracting CoD players over to the series? It should be basic math easy to make a good halo game. The games have already been made. The blue prints are already there, but they never get used in favor of "evolving" the game.
None of which appear in any of the 4vs4 or 5vs5 gametypes.
You're another one of those that is taking anything with BTB or Dominion in it seriously.
Not even bungie had much grasp on anything past 4vs4. It's never going to be balanced.
Vehicles were completely overpowered in halo CE.
Halo 2 had homing rockets, but if you didnt have them vehicles were completely dominating.
Halo 3 introduced the plasma EMP and splazer which weakened the vehicles again.
Fuck Reach multiplayer.
Halo 4 vehicles are the weakest they've ever been given spawning options.
Agreed. I miss having just a pair of hogs and a ghost.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I wouldn't want to Aussie up your game quality
Can I ask how does it play and feel? Also may I suggest posting these gametypes over at Waypoint, I know there are a lot of posters there that would appreciate such gametypes. Although getting around the "share modded content = bannable offense" might be an issue.
CTF seems to have a good mix of this.
NullPointer
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My favorite aspect of Halo is its balance of infantry vs vehicles. No vehicle can truly dominate against players who seek its destruction, no matter the loadout. That said, I wouldnt mind more balance towards how they're placed in matches.
I'd almost prefer an escalation. Start off with the light vehicles and spawn the heavy stuff as the game progresses.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
The later stages of Reach invasion did this in loadouts but I agree having a more holistic approach by including vehicles into that would make for a fun match. Doesn't dominion do some of this?
I wouldn't want to Aussie up your game quality
Can I ask how does it play and feel?
I played it earlier today. No sprint feels great. If you bump the damage up to make the BR a 4shot it still breaks the sandbox. Which is disappointing; also even if you bump the movement speed up it still isn't as crisp as Halo CE or 2.
Just my 2 cents.
Deputy Moonman
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I enjoy 8v8 games that involve people shooting each other more than "hey let's hop in a vehicle and rack up 30 kills lulz." I did 8v8 lans in Halo:CE all the time of which only 2 maps even had vehicles. I enjoyed ranked halo2 btb and was able to get to about 25 before they removed the rankings. Not sure why all of a sudden it's so hard to just make a game that is centered around the FPS nature of the game and not the 3rd person view of vehicles everywhere dominating. i know people enjoy that part of the game as well, but they could at least have a more serious playlist for BTB lovers.
AlmostMilk
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I remember in Reach when everyone was all like "give everyone sprint." Now everyone want's it gone.
I miss parts of it.
I miss that era, when Live felt so fresh.
I miss backpacking the sword on lockout and launching around the map cracking it out for a milisecond kill (completely cheap). I miss flag runs on Ivory Tower. And more then anything I miss 1-flag zanzibar and that rush of taking the flag down the beach. All the maps felt so good and had their own unique strategies you just dont see much anymore.
I miss people using mics and proximity voice shit-talking, I still enjoyed videogames alot then. I miss being cracked out with my roommates up till 4 am playing that shit after going out.
Don't miss the cheating, stand-by, waiting in lobbys over and over to get host so you wouldn't get cheated all game, dual wielding, being owned by vehicles when you didn't have rockets.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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I'd like BTB objective games to be more along these lines. Just warthogs, mongi, maybe ghosts and everything else is on foot. This way flag vehicle runs are solid but it takes teamwork to steal the flag, get the flag into a vehicle and back to capture.
I think they could balance this by map size or layout really e.g. pit style is no sprint where complex style is with sprint.
They could even change it up every now and again as part of their weekly rotations.
Thanks, sounds pretty close though.
I'm guessing you don't have that gametype on your file share right?
Next you need to add in the x's and y'all have some serious work to do for a classic CTF.
I'm not sure about these maps without sprint, they seem to be designed around the mechanic.
Nope XD
YourExWife
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GGs Duji.
NullPointer
Member
I need sprint. Never really enjoyed Halo multiplayer until I could, and once I could, I could never go back. Sometimes you really need to get the fuck out of dodge or doubletime it back to your team. Feels balanced to me and provides that oomph the game has always lacked.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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The weird part is that functionality sort of exists already with the Nemesis specialisation. It's just in reverse
Surely they just disabled the netcode for "on my X" but did not remove the functionality completely?
Are you still on? I HAVE to try this. GTs?
-- If you think this was/is actually true I don't know what to tell you. No Halo game was even laughably approaching any sort of military verisimilitude. Reach should have proved that beyond any doubt.
-- Some of the comments in the Halo 1 artbook about the guns are actually cringe-inducing.
OdysseusVA
Banned
:O
Anyone hosting customs this weekend?
It seemed like a logical step, but unfortunately in practice it just didn't work.
Deputy Moonman
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Not everyone. I didn't like any abilities being in Reach. The jetpack was fun to use, but I thought it had a negative impact on the game just like all the other abilities.
So not being punished for putting yourself in a horrible position is balanced? That makes no sense.
Do you mind if I join your game so I could get it in my recent game thingy?
Same as my username. We're on Guardian right now.
my dick is exploding I'm on my way
Disabled? I doubt it was ever put in there.The weird part is that functionality sort of exists already with the Nemesis specialisation. It's just in reverse
Surely they just disabled the netcode for "on my X" but did not remove the functionality completely?
They may have removed the x's given the gamespeed and how fast you could arrive at the kill point. I wouldn't be surprised if universal sprint and unlimited sprint perk paired with red x's lead to battles stagnating on one area of the map. Look at how fast combat flows now. Those x's would keep the fighting in one area
OdysseusVA
Banned
Modders do what 343 don't.
Yeah sure, everyone is welcome to join
NullPointer
Member
You don't always "put yourself" into a bad position, and while I don't want to use the word punished, you are prevented from firing and have to recover afterwards back to an aiming posture. You sacrifice the ability to fire for mobility, so yeah, I think the balance is just right.
Providing the possibility to escape an obviously disadvantaged position or to rally back up with your teammates across the field is more than welcome, the game was missing something before. I can't even imagine a future Halo without sprint, much less even a special mode in matchmaking. But who knows.
Enjoy your customs though.
Hydranockz
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I replied on Twitter.
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