SCULLIBUNDO
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Such a shame you guys aren't doing IM3.
Yup.
Such a shame you guys aren't doing IM3.
Just saw it for the first time. Not sure why everyone was so hyped about it, just another transformers-esque big-budget blockbuster with explosions and bad quips. No real character motivations, story or structure, just things getting knocked into each other with occasional explosions.
It really pays to see the previous films because you could say the same thing about Return of the Jedi if you didn't see the previous movies.
One really shouldn't be required to watch 7 or 8 films to inform the motivations of one film.
Just saw it for the first time. Not sure why everyone was so hyped about it, just another transformers-esque big-budget blockbuster with explosions and bad quips. No real character motivations, story or structure, just things getting knocked into each other with occasional explosions.
One really shouldn't be required to watch 7 or 8 films to inform the motivations of one film.
This is serial fiction. Assuming you're even interested in the first place, The Avengers is incredibly rewarding for viewers of the previous five films. This is how it works for these films so there's no point in complaining if you're not going to bother trying to keep up. The season finale of your favorite TV show wouldn't mean much to you if you hadn't been watching it up until that point. This is the same kind of thing. Either you're invested in it or you're not.
Just saw it for the first time. Not sure why everyone was so hyped about it, just another transformers-esque big-budget blockbuster with explosions and bad quips. No real character motivations, story or structure, just things getting knocked into each other with occasional explosions.
I remember there was a lot of talk pre-release about how the movie was really going to be Cap's story. Him learning to lead the team and live in the 21st century and all that. Someone even said it was almost "Captain America 2" if I recall. Of course, they ended up changing things (though the deleted scenes show some parts stayed in the script). I enjoy the movie as is, but I still would like to have seen that version of the script too.I honestly thought the natural anchor would have been Captain America for the first film - given that he needed to learn how to lead this group. Guess not.
It's not a ridiculous comparison in this case. I'm not comparing one movie to a TV series. I'm comparing a movie series to a TV series. They serve a similar function in this case.
Yes it is, because feature films aren't serials. What was the last good sequel that didn't set up their main character's arc/s at the start of the film because it relied on the audience to have seen the films before?
Yes it is, because feature films aren't serials. What was the last good sequel that didn't set up their main character's arc/s at the start of the film because it relied on the audience to have seen the films before?
kill bill 2
until the whole bloody affair is confirmed.
Ghostbusters 2
I think I've seen all of them, the only tolerable one was the first Iron Man. I mostly meant the bad guys and the SHIELD/government.It really pays to see the previous films because you could say the same thing about Return of the Jedi if you didn't see the previous movies.
Umm, yes? I can watch sweet explosions on youtube as well, it would be nice to know who's blowing up who and why in an actual full-length movie.Fun movie, fun to watch, great action, excellent humor an effects. Not sure why so many people enjoy over-thinking this whole thing.
"I didn't understand their motivations...". Did you care?
If you didn't know who was blowing up who and why in The Avengers, I can only imagine you were facing the wrong way.
Umm, yes? I can watch sweet explosions on youtube as well, it would be nice to know who's blowing up who and why in an actual full-length movie.
Just saw it for the first time. Not sure why everyone was so hyped about it, just another transformers-esque big-budget blockbuster with explosions and bad quips. No real character motivations, story or structure, just things getting knocked into each other with occasional explosions.
I think it's more that the poster didn't care because the film relied entirely on having seen the other films for that attachment.
wait, what? i don't know if you went in with a pessimistic mindset, but the movie definitely had structure and flow. it had a story, albeit not the greatest, but there was a concise story there.
the scene where nick fury talks with cap, and then cap says "you should've left it [the cube] in the ocean" transitions nicely into Ironman being underwater. or when phil tells Widow that she's 'got the big guy' neatly flows into the india scene.
bad quips... are you kidding me? "clench up Legolas" was brilliant, can't believe it was actually in there. "he's adopted" was also hilarious, among others.
motivations? they're superheroes, it's what they do, they help people (sans widow and hawk). Banner is there because his science expertise with gamma rays may help. Cap is a soldier who follows orders, and Stark would probably show up to fight the aliens by himself.
character archs? Ironman went from a showoff that lights up a building in his name, to doing an act of selflessness because of what happened to Phil. Banner came to accept that maybe his power could be used to do good, and its not necessary to always hide it.
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anyhow, the one problem i still do have with the movie, is the Chitauri force. Was that one ship, and those numbers of aliens, actually supposed to take over the whole earth?
I think it's more that the poster didn't care because the film relied entirely on having seen the other films for that attachment.
Yes it is, because feature films aren't serials.What was the last good sequel that didn't set up their main character's arc/s at the start of the film because it relied on the audience to have seen the films before?
I think it's more that the poster didn't care because the film relied entirely on having seen the other films for that attachment.
This is serial fiction. Assuming you're even interested in the first place, The Avengers is incredibly rewarding for viewers of the previous five films. This is how it works for these films so there's no point in complaining if you're not going to bother trying to keep up. The season finale of your favorite TV show wouldn't mean much to you if you hadn't been watching it up until that point. This is the same kind of thing. Either you're invested in it or you're not.
You shouldn't need the other films to be invested in this one. Also, the connection is not on a similar level to what you would find in a tv series. And doesn't Thor kind of contradicts Avengers anyways? That negates the serial idea in my eyes.
No. Thor's presence is explained.
Enlighten me. I don't remember.
Thor showing up in Avengers lickity-split took a complete shit on whatever gravitas the ending of Thor tried to muster.
I thought Thor's movie said something like once the portal was broken travel would be practically impossible. They made a big deal about it in that movie, which is why it made no sense to see him get to Earth so easily in Avengers. I don't care about the specifics of the comics regarding travel rules, the fact it was a one way trip, was part of the emotional impact of the movie. If you remove that tension, then the movie suffers. So these movies aren't/can't be serials in the way some here mentioned. More like little teases here and there.
Avenger creates it's own rules. It's not something like Star Wars as much as some of you want it to be. It's its own movie, and a mediocre one at that.
Thor's movie also said there were other ways to get back to Earth.
Then that is counterproductive and lessens the impact of the ending.
Doesn't Loki mention there are other means of traveling?Then that is counterproductive and lessens the impact of the ending.
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Edit: I was checking Thor's ending. Shit, I hate these post credits scenes. I didn't know Thor had one.
Doesn't Loki mention there are other means of traveling?
Doesn't Loki mention there are other means of traveling?
Yup, he says it pretty plainly.
Avenger creates it's own rules. It's not something like Star Wars as much as some of you want it to be. It's its own movie, and a mediocre one at that.
If there's any series that throws it's own internal logic to hell, it's Star Wars.
We're just gonna pretend Luke and Leia didn't make out before they decided to make them twins? Like Leia saying she she remembered her mother, while Luke didn't, only for Leia to die as soon as she pushes them out in EP3. Like C3-PO and R2 meeting for the first time in two different fucking movies.
Star Wars is fucking terrible aside from the visual effects innovations. Always has been.
Doesn't Loki mention there are other means of traveling?
Also, Phil Coulson would beat the shit out of Han Solo.
You can tell you've lost the argument because you admit to ignoring large swaths of the fiction of Star Wars, while also admitting you didn't pay full attention to the fiction of Thor/The Avengers, while also trying to change the subject from internal logic and consistency to the "impact" of death scenes, the latter of which is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Also, Phil Coulson would beat the shit out of Han Solo. That you couldn't even remember his name despite him appearing in four movies tells me how little attention you were paying. It's cool if you like Star Wars better than Avengers, but fuck Star Wars.
Also, Phil Coulson would beat the shit out of Han Solo.