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[op_ivy]

Gotcha. So there could be 6GB in the final for all we know. 8GB would be fantastic I must say though.

i'm enjoying reading your posts. you take what is said and always adjust downward (to fit your own agenda?). seriously amusing.

 

[pswii60]

You know what I really want for this gen on the Xbox? The ability to install all games to my hard drive and not require a DVD/BD in the drive.

Spoiler

lol just get a pc brah
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I like my couch

Hopefully we'll see a 'digital copy' voucher in every retail purchase next-gen, it's time games caught up with what the movie industry is doing there. I hate having to put the disc in whenever I want to dip in and out of FIFA, when all my XBLA games are instantly accessible.

 

[Durante]

Of course. I never expected a highend (x9xx) gpu to begin with, though

Me neither, what I don't get is people calling this such a "monster" or predicting massive costs. It's certainly no Wii (U), but it also doesn't seem like a 360/PS3 to me. Always compared to the contemporary level of technology.

You know what I really want for this gen on the Xbox? The ability to install all games to my hard drive and not require a DVD/BD in the drive.

Spoiler

lol just get a pc brah
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I like my couch

Get a PC... and an HDMI cable!

 

[Karak]

Interesting.

 

[ekim]

Interesting.

Hey. you were quite right that there will be some leaks before CES (which's floor show starts 10am PST today)

 

[grkazan12]

Interesting.

Damn, Karak. You were right it seems like the flood gates have opened and their not going to be closed for awhile.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

These specs are great.

X360 devkits (except the XNA limited devkits edition) have the same amount of memory than a retail machine.

How does it compare to the PS4.

 

[i-Lo]

Well...

Given these consoles will have to last at least the next 5 years, I'd assume they'd make GPU TF figures around 2.25 and 2.5. We are talking about a generational shift here, one which would significantly cut down on dev time dedicated to pre baked light maps and shadows. A bump for a cause this significant shouldn't be overlooked unless devs are happy pursuing the same line of development procedure regardless of cost.

Also, does the TF figure count the resolution being 1080p and 30fps? If so, then consoles may still be able to achieve the target by sacrificing resolution.

 

[derFeef]

Me neither, what I don't get is people calling this such a "monster" or predicting massive costs. It's certainly no Wii (U), but it also doesn't seem like a 360/PS3 to me. Always compared to the contemporary level of technology.

Its quite beefy, even with jaguar I think. But today is different than 6 years ago imho, it's harder to impress on closed tech.

 

[Eideka]

Me neither, what I don't get is people calling this such a "monster" or predicting massive costs. It's certainly no Wii (U), but it also doesn't seem like a 360/PS3 to me. Always compared to the contemporary level of technology.

Exactly, hence why I cannot call them "powerhouses".

 

[quest]

Hopefully we'll see a 'digital copy' voucher in every retail purchase next-gen, it's time games caught up with what the movie industry is doing there. I hate having to put the disc in whenever I want to dip in and out of FIFA, when all my XBLA games are instantly accessible.

Not going to happen if you want digital copy will not get a physical disk. It just let people cash in digital and instanly trade in disk to gamestop. I expect most games to be digital day 1 on PSN/XBL for next generation.

 

[Lord Error]

I like those specs a lot. In a closed box it should produce phenomenally good looking stuff, IMO.

i'm enjoying reading your posts. you take what is said and always adjust downward (to fit your own agenda?). seriously amusing.

If those are devkit specs, he's likely right. It's very unlikely that the console would have exact same amount of RAM that devkit has. I'd say they'd have to reserve at least 1-2GB for snapshots, running debug apps in parallel and stuff like that.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Xbox 3 more powerful than PS4 confirmed.

Objection. Equal, they shall be. Software war is what they should be fighting, not hardware. Now that is where one will shine over the other.

 

[Sephiroth503]

Not going to happen if you want digital copy will not get a physical disk. It just let people cash in digital and instanly trade in disk to gamestop. I expect most games to be digital day 1 on PSN/XBL for next generation.

I'm slightly wary of digital only from PSN/XBL in the way it is now, Assassin's Creed 3 at release was 70euro on PS Store and something like Ghost Recon is still at a ridiculous cost (65+).

 

[solarus]

Time to upgrade your pcs folks. Lol everyone who's been saying "my pc will easily be able to max next gen games" is gonna be eating crow when this thing drops. It's 2006 all over again.

 

[mrklaw]

Will only happen when you attach your copy of a game to your account. That would mean : no reselling of games.

I'll swear an oath that I haven't traded the games in, and kinect will use its lie detector mode to know I'm telling the truth.

 

[pswii60]

Not going to happen if you want digital copy will not get a physical disk. It just let people cash in digital and instanly trade in disk to gamestop. I expect most games to be digital day 1 on PSN/XBL for next generation.

Fair point.

 

[op_ivy]

If those are devkit specs, he's liekely right. It's very unliekly that the console would have exact same amount of RAM that devkit has. I'd say they'd have to reserve at least 1-2GB for snapshots, running debug apps in parallel and stuff like that.

we have multiple rumors suggesting 8 gb for some time now, including this one. we have insiders saying 8 gb. we have other people in the know saying dev kits no longer need more ram then the actual consoles...

and we still have people claiming it will be 4 gb (or now 6) on every page. especially funny when its in response to a guy who likely knows what he is talking about all but saying its 8.

 

[Nirolak]

Given these consoles will have to last at least the next 5 years, I'd assume they'd make GPU TF figures around 2.25 and 2.5. We are talking about a generational shift here, one which would significantly cut down on dev time dedicated to pre baked light maps and shadows. A bump for a cause this significant shouldn't be overlooked unless devs are happy pursuing the same line of development procedure regardless of cost.

Also, does the TF figure count the resolution being 1080p and 30fps? If so, then consoles may still be able to achieve the target by sacrificing resolution.

I would expect Tim Sweeney to be announcing very specific numbers that they can't actually get for their engine.

I mean last year he was talking about 1+ TFLOP, and now that's changed to a decidedly uneven and specific number.

 

[Agent Ironside]

i'm enjoying reading your posts. you take what is said and always adjust downward (to fit your own agenda?). seriously amusing.

: )

6 is a weird number

Oh I like were this is going. : )

 

[Nirolak]

To me the main remaining question is if it's a split memory pool with GDDR5 and a lot of system RAM, or unified with primarily system RAM.

 

[diamount]

640g just for the harddrive? shit, that sounds heavy

Not really, considering 1tb is quickly becoming the standard.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Why? This is mid range PC type of specs nothing out of this world. 8 tiny CPUs combined with a midrange GPU which a 88xx would be. The high end will be 89xxx. This is what I expected but will disappoint a lot here hoping to get a high end PC specs for 399.99 dollars.

The GPU is going to be heavily customized. It's not just going to be an 88xx off the shelf part.

 

[quest]

I'm slightly wary of digital only from PSN/XBL in the way it is now, Assassin's Creed 3 at release was 70euro on PS Store and something like Ghost Recon is still at a ridiculous cost (65+).

I agree PSN/XBL pricing stink for the most part. I just don't think Sony or MS will change that much next time around they are to scared of the retailers. Even the Vita prices stink on a lot of games.

 

[Takuya]

we have multiple rumors suggesting 8 gb for some time now, including this one. we have insiders saying 8 gb. we have other people in the know saying dev kits no longer need more ram then the actual consoles...

and we still have people claiming it will be 4 gb (or now 6) on every page. especially funny when its in response to a guy who likely knows what he is talking about all but saying its 8.

Nobody is right until the specs are confirmed.

 

[JordanLMiller]

So... $599? Maybe $888 to stick with the theme.

 

[Can Crusher]

we have multiple rumors suggesting 8 gb for some time now, including this one. we have insiders saying 8 gb. we have other people in the know saying dev kits no longer need more ram then the actual consoles...

and we still have people claiming it will be 4 gb (or now 6) on every page. especially funny when its in response to a guy who likely knows what he is talking about all but saying its 8.

Some people really really really want these new system to come with only 2GB, 4GB at most. I don't understand it.

Not only it isn't very plausible, it's wishing for less. Why?

To me the main remaining question is if it's a split memory pool with GDDR5 and a lot of system RAM, or unified with primarily system RAM.

Yeah.

 

[Karak]

Hey. you were quite right that there will be some leaks before CES (which's floor show starts 10am PST today)

You did the sifting though. Good job.

Damn, Karak. You were right it seems like the flood gates have opened and their not going to be closed for awhile.

Ya they won't be, that is correct. Some people really wanting to spill on what they have been doing and coupled with CES stuff it starts to leak from their pours.
Possibly being helped by alcohol

 

[eso76]

wouldnt the FM xbox 1 --> xbox 360 comparisons be better served using FM1 to .... FM4 (or 2 or 3) rather then the 30fps horizon anyways?

EDIT: thread moved on without me

but Fm1 was 30fps too.


So, what can we expect from that GPU anyway ?
Comments are all over the place: rebranded 150$ card/beast/midrange/fuckawesome...does anyone really know ?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Me neither, what I don't get is people calling this such a "monster" or predicting massive costs. It's certainly no Wii (U), but it also doesn't seem like a 360/PS3 to me. Always compared to the contemporary level of technology.

Sounds like you're incessantly downplaying it more than anything else, probably because you don't want it to be anywhere near a high-end PC. 8 cores, a customized 88xx GPU, 8 gigs of ram, in a closed-box development platform, this is a monster. PS4 will be as well. We couldn't have asked for better than this unless we wanted to pay 600+ dollars.

 

[Sephiroth503]

I agree PSN/XBL pricing stink for the most part. I just don't think Sony or MS will change that much next time around they are to scared of the retailers. Even the Vita prices stink on a lot of games.

Yeah exactly, I expect release plans to be exact same as they are now at the end of this generation whereby there is a disk version and a Day 1 Digital release.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

To me the main remaining question is if it's a split memory pool with GDDR5 and a lot of system RAM, or unified with primarily system RAM.

Now THAT. That's what I want to know! RAM distribution is my main concern, not the size.

 

[Curufinwe]

Time to upgrade your pcs folks. Lol everyone who's been saying "my pc will easily be able to max next gen games" is gonna be eating crow when this thing drops. It's 2006 all over again.

Not really. High end cards back then were 150W TDP.

 

[Lord Error]

we have multiple rumors suggesting 8 gb for some time now, including this one. we have insiders saying 8 gb. we have other people in the know saying dev kits no longer need more ram then the actual consoles...

and we still have people claiming it will be 4 gb (or now 6) on every page. especially funny when its in response to a guy who likely knows what he is talking about all but saying its 8.

Now that I think about it, the memory space that will later be reserved for the OS multitasking, could be used for debugging on a devkit. So yes, they could just keep the same amount.

 

[Can Crusher]

wouldnt the FM xbox 1 --> xbox 360 comparisons be better served using FM1 to .... FM4 (or 2 or 3) rather then the 30fps horizon anyways?

EDIT: thread moved on without me

No because of

but Fm1 was 30fps too.

this.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Sounds like you're incessantly downplaying it more than anything else, probably because you don't want it to be anywhere near a high-end PC. 8 cores, a customized 88xx GPU, 8 gigs of ram, in a closed-box development platform, this is a monster. PS4 will be as well. We couldn't have asked for better than this unless we wanted to pay 600+ dollars.

You know what's funny? When I was a kid, I had to work my ass off to get dat $599 PS3. It was the most expensive purchase of my life. Now? At this point I am ready for anything and everything looks affordable lol.

(God bless Credit Cards).

 

[quest]

The GPU is going to be heavily customized. It's not just going to be an 88xx off the shelf part.

Most of the work will be to get it to work with EDRAM or what ever bandwidth tech they are going to use. And take things out not needed in a console. They are not going to change the CUs at all. A 88xx would determine the number of CUs which would give us an idea where it fits TF wise in the PC world. It will have the same number of CUs as a mid range card at my guess a lower frequency to cut down TDP.

 

[amstradcpc]

Now THAT. That's what I want to know! RAM distribution is my main concern, not the size.

Yesterday´s rumors talked about only 1GB of RAM accessible directly by the GPU. So there must be still EDRAM ( or ESRAM ) in there.

 

[Durante]

I would expect Tim Sweeney to be announcing very specific numbers that they can't actually get for their engine.

I mean last year he was talking about 1+ TFLOP, and now that's changed to a decidedly uneven and specific number.

Funny coincidence: a 7870 does 2.560 GFLOPs.

Some people really really really want these new system to come with only 2GB, 4GB at most. I don't understand it.

Not only it isn't very plausible, it's wishing for less. Why?

Well, many people on this board spent months convincing everyone that 4GB is unrealistic and 8 GB completely impossible in speculation threads...

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Yesterday´s rumors talked about only 1GB of RAM accessible directly by the GPU. So there must be still EDRAM ( or ESRAM ) in there.

Let's toss a few winks towards those that know..

*tosses winks*

 

[mrklaw]

Now THAT. That's what I want to know! RAM distribution is my main concern, not the size.

8GB DDR3 for 720, with 256MB Edram (only thing I can think of if a 5-600mm APU is rumoured) to mitigate the slow main memory.

Sony will go with 2GB GDDR5 and slap 6GB DDR3 on there at the last moment as a reaction to MS.

(random guesses)

 

[vg260]

Hopefully we'll see a 'digital copy' voucher in every retail purchase next-gen, it's time games caught up with what the movie industry is doing there. I hate having to put the disc in whenever I want to dip in and out of FIFA, when all my XBLA games are instantly accessible.

This is what I want real bad. I'd even be ok with no reselling option if it meant I could get deals on physical copies and still use it digitally without the disc.

Wonder if they could make it optional? Say you could tie a disc to your account to DL a digital copy if you chose to.

 

[DopeyFish]

What? No. My i7 has ~40 GB/s of theoretical system memory bandwidth, what are you expecting out of this system?

What magical memory are you using? I want it.

 

[Acheteedo]

Sounds like you're incessantly downplaying it more than anything else, probably because you don't want it to be anywhere near a high-end PC. 8 cores, a customized 88xx GPU, 8 gigs of ram, in a closed-box development platform, this is a monster. PS4 will be as well. We couldn't have asked for better than this unless we wanted to pay 600+ dollars.

Sounds like we still might, MS (and Sony) might go for the subscription route to combat this. Sony surely can't afford a huge loss leader right now.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

I'm beginning to wonder if we'll get anything even semi-concrete on the PS4 before E3 (or their pre-E3 event around the same time). Kinda expected MS stuff to leak.

 

[i-Lo]

I would expect Tim Sweeney to be announcing very specific numbers that they can't actually get for their engine.

I mean last year he was talking about 1+ TFLOP, and now that's changed to a decidedly uneven and specific number.

Yea, but that was quite a while back discussing ethereal and vague possibilities of 1+ TF card. This time, not to mentioned, it's so recent, it's specifically lighting. However, it could very well be that the figure mentioned takes into the account 1080p@30fps. If they are targeting that it would mean MS would probably have listened. They wouldn't be developing an engine with this paradigm shifting feature outright if the next gen consoles couldn't support it in some fashion (WiiU notwithstanding). Once again, this is a major evolutionary step towards attaining greater realism without investing more time. We are moving ever closer a completely physics based virtual reality, much like ours, and this would put a lot less strain on engineers during game development.

 

[Acheteedo]

You know what's funny? When I was a kid, I had to work my ass off to get dat $599 PS3. It was the most expensive purchase of my life. Now? At this point I am ready for anything and everything looks affordable lol.

(God bless Credit Cards).

Hah, yeah same here, now that I have disposable income I just want the machines to kick ass.

 

[op_ivy]

but Fm1 was 30fps too.


?

doh, forgot about that

Yeah exactly, I expect release plans to be exact same as they are now at the end of this generation whereby there is a disk version and a Day 1 Digital release.

it would be nice if both sony and MS moved towards promoting digital by either selling at a lower price, or releasing slightly before "street dates". wouldnt this be in their best interests and get them a larger piece of the pie?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Some people really really really want these new system to come with only 2GB, 4GB at most. I don't understand it.

Not only it isn't very plausible, it's wishing for less. Why?

I don't think anybody wants these systems with a little amount of ram .
The question is of what type of ram they going to come with .
Some people don't mind less ram if it means we get some GDDR5.
We have to wait and see if MS going to go all DDR3 or maybe a split pool with some GDDR5 and DDR3.

 

[Brera]

The funny part is that the 1st insider threatens to unveil the specs if MS don't, probably to show off and boast but as soon as the 2nd leaker who doesn't give a fucks leaks the info and skips the melodrama, the 1st dude reports him to MS lol!