Lysander91
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If someone committed FRAUD you can pursue legal action.
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Cliffy B says things about microtransactions
- Thread starter Wario64
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If someone committed FRAUD you can pursue legal action.
No, most of the games on IOS and Android are low rent crap!
I do keep an eye on the stores from time to time!
Good games are rare and a lot of them are ports of old games, most are crap and time wasters!
CambriaRising
Member
Nah bro, Party A and Party B have completed their transaction, doesn't matter what you think because the exchange is complete.
Lysander91
Banned
Then that person committed fraud. Fraud is illegal. Then I can be more than pissed off, I can sue the seller for any losses that I have incurred. If I have my own unrealistic expectations that isn't the sellers problem.
I guess Cliff just wants people to scream his name and tell him how much Gears of War 2 made them cry and how Unreal Tournament is better than both Quake and Doom.
polyh3dron
Banned
Imagine you had to buy the Konami code on Contra.
You wouldn't download an extra life.
Lysander91
Banned
Do you know how to argue?
Gears of War 3 was pretty good. #breakthecycle
CambriaRising
Member
I don't know, but I am pretty sure it doesn't go like this.
I'm pretty sure that was him, but I don't think he posted past the first two pages. Plus neither of those posts I saw were really further the discussion but just humorous (hilarious I think) posts.
And I can't blame him, I like to try to try bringing up other points, but you have a lot of posts that just take cheap shots and and nothing else, plus I'm not sure how much my own post was really debatable. I don't think a GOOD middle ground would piss off many, not for long anyway. And frankly games ARE pretty low on the totem poll of business that should value ethics/consumer friendliness over profit: I'd prefer most game makers keep in mind something that's fun to play and only allow some (preferably for non-competitive games) to pay to grease the wheel in interesting ways, but it's not like healthcare or banking where I feel it should be absolutely critical to go FUCK YOUR PROFIT, do what is best for the people.
The Albatross
Member
He's right, in everything he says in this.
Lysander91
Banned
Then rewind and try to argue my points. I didn't think that I needed to preface that mutually beneficial trade is free from force. Fraud is obviously a form of force.
I only ever debate people who agree with me. Less hassle that way.
Let's see what my twitter followers think about that.
CambriaRising
Member
What If I feel it is fraud? What then? Is it not because of an implied EULA that doesn't hold up in court?
I can, I don't know if game developers will be able to.
Aquamarine
Member
This totally isn't Cliffy B's points regurgitated.
I can't stand the idea of people being able to buy their way through an experience faster/easier. Good on these devs, but stuff like that makes me much less likely to buy a game.
All microtransactions should be hidden in the main menu, though. I don't want the real world infiltrating my (single-player) games.
All microtransactions should be hidden in the main menu, though. I don't want the real world infiltrating my (single-player) games.
CambriaRising
Member
We should just let them take money out of our accounts whenever they release a product. That will surely fix things.
Poor Developers.
Translation: I couldn't back up the silly shit I said so I swore a bit and left the thread.
Lysander91
Banned
It doesn't matter if you feel it's fraud. It has to be fraud. There is a pretty clear legal precedent as to what fraud is. I don't see what this has to do with micro-transactions though.
I don't know if that's a jab at me, but my point was I can play any number of games released before any market or industry issues. I don't need to buy future releases, and if a lot of others feel the same or if this market isn't sustainable, the people that are hurt the most are the countless developers/designers without jobs.
I'm not pitying the developers, I know the consequences and I know I won't be the most affected.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
LOL, ok you know nothing.
Again, even if there were 2 billion apps and 99% of them were crap with 1% being good stuff it would still blow the socks off 3DS' and Vita's libraries combined by a huge margin. List wars are silly and I don't have time for that, just educate yourself better. I can't speak for Android because my phone isn't powerful enough to play most stuff, but on iOS there's a great game coming out every other week, it's a very healthy platform. Check out the monthly iOS gaming |OT|s before making false assumptions (only time-wasters and old ports in-between a huge pile of crap... right.) next time.
wow...
Lysander91
Banned
There are some gems on Android, but it doesn't even come close to the App Store. Most of the gems are on iOS anyway. That doesn't mean that there aren't a ton of fun games though. The whole argument against phone games are stupid anyway. What makes Crashmo a real game while Monsters Ate My Condo isn't?
PedroLumpy
Member
Well I can understand why he wouldn't want to jump into a forum argument as 1 guy against a whole bunch of people. Not an excuse for the passive aggressiveness though.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I gave EA $2.99 of my hard earned money for Dead Space 3. I don't care it. I didn't pay for the game it was gifted to me. I was my way to say thanks for a great game.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
I like this.
What would he need to back up?
CambriaRising
Member
Nah, I got what you were saying. I was being factious.
I don't think there was much to back up, but I'm pretty sure most other members would have gotten banned for "TOO BAD MOTHERFUCKER". So childish.
Dude, that's what Valve did with their shitty Steam service in 2004.
dreamghost
Member
Everybody knows that Grays and Browns are the most expensive colors.
fatty
Member
Do any of you fuckers still actually play games, or do you just hang out here all day long and play digital fantasy football with the industry?
User Name Here
Member
Sounds about right.
I think it always happens when major figures in the industry make controversial statements. Hell, CliffyB's probably less abrasive than the likes of David Jaffe.
I'm sure most of them are pretty easy to get along with though, or at least kind of fascinating to listen to.
You probably shouldn't and game developers shouldn't care about you.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Okay I sleep for a few hours and wake up to see CliffyB making all this racket ? wow.
civilstrife
Member
Cliffy has come out and said that the "hipster/boomerang kid generation" (aka the generation that put food on his table) doesn't understand that people need to eat and feed their families.
Last time I checked, people graduating after 2008 have to work exponentially harder to put food on their own tables, let alone any hope of supporting families any time soon.
But fuck them, right?
LOL, they must all have philosophy degrees, right Cliffy?
Last time I checked, people graduating after 2008 have to work exponentially harder to put food on their own tables, let alone any hope of supporting families any time soon.
But fuck them, right?
LOL, they must all have philosophy degrees, right Cliffy?
Haunted
Member
No, that is actually him.
He's talking about continuing to post after his initial handful.
He doesn't have to keep posting, per se, but he can address some of the counterarguments in a later blog post. GAF arguments and AMAs don't really mesh.
Agreed. I've backed out when getting multi quoted but he could have just said that or like the guy above me said, address it in some other way.
At this point he looks like the heat in the kitchen was too hot for him.
Read the thread.
A Twisty Fluken
Member
he's mostly right, though i don't think "vote with your wallet" is the right interpretation of what a smart consumer would do. "bail wholesale" sounds more like it. i don't believe that i can affect change in this market, so for the most part my solution is "find a new hobby."