Gemüsepizza
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Do you really think specs will determine sales? Havent we learned anything from the past!
For core gamers, and if they launch at the same time - yes.
Do you really think specs will determine sales? Havent we learned anything from the past!
Gemüsepizza;49584858 said:I think the WiiU numbers make sense. Generally, his PS4 and Xbox numbers seem like a safe bet, but I just don't see how the PS4 and Xbox 3 could have nearly the same sale numbers, when they will be so different compared to current gen, and start at the same time. I expect those Xbox 3 numbers to be a lot lower, maybe around 50 millions, and PS4 at 100 millions. I can't see many people buying the Xbox 3 if the specs are true. Word of mouth will be important, people will know that the PS4 is stronger. I think Sony has a good chance to get back to PS2 form.
Gemüsepizza;49584858 said:I think the WiiU numbers make sense. Generally, his PS4 and Xbox numbers seem like a safe bet, but I just don't see how the PS4 and Xbox 3 could have nearly the same sale numbers, when they will be so different compared to current gen, and start at the same time. I expect those Xbox 3 numbers to be a lot lower, maybe around 50 millions, and PS4 at 100 millions. I can't see many people buying the Xbox 3 if the specs are true. Word of mouth will be important, people will know that the PS4 is stronger. I think Sony has a good chance to get back to PS2 form.
Gemüsepizza;49584858 said:I think the WiiU numbers make sense. Generally, his PS4 and Xbox numbers seem like a safe bet, but I just don't see how the PS4 and Xbox 3 could have nearly the same sale numbers, when they will be so different compared to current gen, and start at the same time. I expect those Xbox 3 numbers to be a lot lower, maybe around 50 millions, and PS4 at 100 millions. I can't see many people buying the Xbox 3 if the specs are true. Word of mouth will be important, people will know that the PS4 is stronger. I think Sony has a good chance to get back to PS2 form.
Wouldn't shock me if none of them do...I think any of the consoles selling 50m might be stretching it
People make the same mistakes over and over again and I think it's either based on people "predicting" what will happen based on what they would like to see happen, or them assuming that what they want is what the mass market wants. The most powerful hardware has never sold the most. Games, price, advertising, other features - they are all huge factors - much bigger factors than "powerrrrrrrr!".Do you really think specs will determine sales? Havent we learned anything from the past!
If you're going to go down the path then we can also ponder how many casuals bought a PS2 just for its DVD functionality.
A PS console selling less than 100M? Unheard of.
With so many new avenues of competiton, the only thing that I was trying to say is that I doubt these new consoles sell more than their old counterparts.
I'm definitely in the camp that doesn't assume PS4 and 720 sales will growth evenly together. I don't know why people assume this to be the case.
Was just going to post this. He also thinks that next-gen games are going to be priced at $70.
https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/310527646742216705
Specs can have relevance, but only up to a certain point, last generation was likely an anomaly and most boxes were within proper range of each other prior. Still, almost no one buying a console is going to give a fuck that the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 ram as opposed to DDR3 if the new Xbox comes out on a better footing in terms of pricing and support.
Well I agree there, as does Pachter.
Where else will we get CG graphics if PS4/720/U are the end? If a developer makes a game looking like this, there will be new consoles.
Also 4k TVs need to be supported in the future.
Didn't Tretton say that PS4's games are priced from $0.99 to $60? Aside from F2P games.
Just to let you know, the PS2 was the weakest (barring the DC) of the gen? Specs don't make a console the most successful of a gen, it is the games.
People make the same mistakes over and over again and I think it's either based on people "predicting" what will happen based on what they would like to see happen, or them assuming that what they want is what the mass market wants. The most powerful hardware has never sold the most. Games, price, advertising, other features - they are all huge factors - much bigger factors than "powerrrrrrrr!".
Durango and the PS4 are still both within reasonable distance of each other that the spec battle is not going to matter at all.
Specs can have relevance, but only up to a certain point, last generation was likely an anomaly and most boxes were within proper range of each other prior. Still, almost no one buying a console is going to give a fuck that the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 ram as opposed to DDR3 if the new Xbox comes out on a better footing in terms of pricing and support.
With so many new avenues of competiton, the only thing that I was trying to say is that I doubt these new consoles sell more than their old counterparts. i don't really disagree with the Wii U prediction though.
I learned that huge RAM = innovation likely.
Gemüsepizza;49585671 said:The Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 and had less sales, that's right. But it was also a the first console of a new brand (fan base was small) which launched much later than the PS2. The PS4 will not launch later than the Xbox 3, and the Playstation brand has a already many fans. I don't say Sony will "win" the next gen only because of the specs, but also because of the right launch date, a competitive price (<$599), a very strong first party output and unlimited third party support.
I learned that huge RAM = innovation likely.
I'm referring to technological advancements.Consoles disappearing doesn't mean we won't get new games.
So, how come consoles are still selling well? Those avenues of competition have here for a at least a couple of years now and yet console sales are still good.
Did I say consoles would stop selling well? No I said there just wouldn't be growth.
With nothing in game/bet this kind predictions have no sense.
I want a thread about all media/sites prediction mistakes.
Depends on how much he thinks the PS3/360 will sell in the end.
i just don't even understand how you can look at like, 40 years of evolution and say nope, this is it. it boggles my mind people think that structure is dying.
as long as people buy and own television sets, consoles will be released, is my take.
Ahh...PS1 was a new console of a new brand yet it sold 100 million.
Gemüsepizza;49586184 said:The PS1 was afaik the first console with heavy focus on 3D graphics. That was an incredible "wow" feature of this console. The Wii had something similar, but I am not sure the Xbox 3 can provide something similar. Kinect and motion controls are nothing new.
Was just going to post this. He also thinks that next-gen games are going to be priced at $70.
https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/310527646742216705
His LTD predictions seem silly (too high). If the next-gen console LTDs are that, then why would it be the final generation? Makes no sense since it would like this generation.
Was just going to post this. He also thinks that next-gen games are going to be priced at $70.
https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/310527646742216705
His LTD predictions seem silly (too high). If the next-gen console LTDs are that, then why would it be the final generation? Makes no sense since it would like this generation.
I just got off the phone with my Grandma. She's on her way to GameStop now to trade in her Wii for a PS4 pre-order. She too is excited about the 8GB GDDR5 RAM!
/sarcasm
I can understand Wii U shipments being much lower than PS4/Xbox. Set Top Boxes are the new "thing" and if Sony and especially MS do it right, it might become a "must have" peripheral in the living room, but it won't be for gaming. I believe Pachter is right that this is the last generation for gaming consoles. You can already see the PS4 and Xbox are morphing into Multi-Media machines that happen to also play games.
A bit optimistic with those lifetime sales numbers, I feel.
Why does everyone keep saying "If you discount the Wii it's actually growth!" Why would you discount the Wii? Because not enough core gamers bought it? I'm pretty sure the money is the same whether it comes from Hella Jeff or grandma.
85-90 million? In the current environment? Sure, we'll see. Especially if he thinks people are interested in 70 dollar games.
No one was going to buy a Wii that played games in HD. It would have been an even more pointless console than Wii U.
Exactly what I was thinking. This is an utter failure of logic on his part. What a cow.
I'm not saying I know for sure what'll happen, it's just my own amateur prediction. It seems to me there are far too many competitive consumer electronic products that are taking away attention from console gaming. Adults these days are far more attracted to different types of gadgets it seems. And while many people disagree, I have always felt that console gaming is still heavily affected by the whims of kids. Gaming has always and will always be associated with the toy market, and though kids that have grown to adults now make up a significant portion of that market, the waning attractiveness of console gaming to kids is, in my eyes anwyay, going to have a noticeable impact on dedicated consoles.
Which of course is why there is so much emphasis on services these days. All in all, I do think that dedicated console gaming will remain sustainable into the foreseeable future off of the back of hardcore gamers but I don't see that market growing either.
I honestly believe it's more important that the Wii U would have come out sooner so that Nintendo wouldn't have ignored/killed the Wii for 3 years. What the Wii U (the fictional one) almost seems less important than when it was.
I was surprised with Sony ditching Cell as I don't believe consoles as we know them will last another gen. It seemed the price of losing BC is not worth it for one more gen; why switch to X86 for one gen only?