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First Ryse Review
- Thread starter ekim
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I admire your naivety.
dragonflys545
Member
Because the AC franchise has other things that makes it a good game. Where as in here it's just the graphics.
Sure. Still nowhere near the level that this game is seemingly getting, though.
Melee combat is not the main draw for AC franchise....cuz it's pretty meh on that front too
Ryse is a linear Hack and Slash game so the combat is the main focus
The thing is, Assassin's Creed has a whole game beyond that and a ton of variety.
An AC game with just combat would be an absolutely miserable affair.
SRTtoZ
Member
Id go with DR3 if I were you.
But dat Mark Antony/Cleopatra sex mini-game.
Assassin's Creed is an open-world game, this is a linear hack and slash... without interesting combat. Why would you play it?
Thatonemoor
Member
You haven't presented an example of how it effects the games balance and it is unfair to call someone ignorant of this unfair business model until you do so.
It seems like it already is for Xbone exclusives. Almost all of them have this shit in them. Seems like this is a new thing MS wants to do. Totally disgusting and has no place in paid for titles. I hope Sony doesn't start thinking that's a good idea...
Also told you guys the game is trash.
Dead Space 3 is the prime example of why microtransactions can fuck up a game, though. Weapon and item balance in that game was dreadful.
CambriaRising
Member
Thats because for all it's faults, the AC combat system is still better than Ryse, has a lot more variety, is way more ambitious, and allows you to tackle encounters as you see fit.
F2P aspects ruin the pacing, game balance, and create a grind just so companies get more money from you. Is is bad to not expect grinding or in a full packaged retail game? It might not bother you or some other people, but some people have really busy schedules and don't want to replay boring sections (or pay excess money) when normal non-F2P games don't stick to such a gross model.
Angelus Errare
Banned
It's Nero, so he probably has something to do with Marius' family's deaths.
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Let's say no examples existed, you're saying you can't see how micro-transactions would affect game design?
Dictator93
Member
In terms of linearity and limited game focus.. how does Ryse compare with uncharted? Are they not both shallow representations in terms of gameplay and encounter design with in their genres?
Similar how i never understand how MOH gets shit reviews and COD gets better reviews... even though they are bith shallow games.
wapplew
Member
Ya, maybe I just overreacted. But look at first DLC back in the day, and look how it's change the industry now.
SRTtoZ
Member
I fucking hate him.
dr_rus
Member
This can easily be a cutscene.Its really crazy that some of the animations look jarringly bad while other just look gorgeous...this is easily the best ingame facial animation I have ever seen
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
What a surprise....the story is shit just like the combat. This might actually review lower thank Knack lol.
UberTag
Member
Next-gen means you don't need to be any good at games any more.
You can just pay to win.
I'm sure Call of Duty will be all about that next fall.
Pay $100 and you get the first x number of levels of perks unlocked automatically.
Why play and learn a game when you can just pay and skip ahead?
SwiftDeath
Member
The problem I find with microtransactions is that the most lucrative section of the market to aim for is not the average user but the whales
In the mobile market (we had a thread on this) such a crazy high percentage of the revenue and profit from FTP games come not from the average player but the small percentage of whales that buy all the junk
In essence voting with your wallet doesn't work so long as a small percentage of people are willing to shell out the cash
In essence it is possible general gameplay for future games could be tailored in the future much like many mobile games are to try and get at the money of that small percentage of whales and be entirely indifferent to the desires and needs of the average gamer because frankly the publishers and in return the developers don't give a damn about the average gamer.
So from an on high level microtransactions may be one of the few things where simply ignoring it is not the correct move to try and eliminate it from future game design because the money comes from a small segment and not the majority and thus the majority pushing back may not be effective
GT6 has them unfortunately. It's a good sign that non of their launch ps4 games have them though.
abracadaver
Member
I think EA started it. The last NFS titles all had microtransactions in it for shortcuts and unlocks
Dead Space 3 has a drone you send off to collect crafting materials. If you won't pay extra for the upgrade, that piece of shit takes forever to come back. There's no story or gameplay reason for this delay. The frustration exists solely to encourage microtransactions in a game where this crafting is a significant gameplay element. Sure, you could ignore crafting, but you'll essentially be denying yourself a portion of the game you just paid for.
I doubt it. Activision know their audience. They know they have a lot of customers willing to buy a yearly franchise and map packs as long as they don't break the core game. I can see them selling cosmetic items, but even that's a little unlikely. Unlike EA, who don't give a fuck what people think.
Thatonemoor
Member
I'm saving I'm a pragmatist and I don't get bent out of shape until someone gives me a concrete reason to be so. I don't like the way these micro-transactions are modeled but until I see evidence of them being successful AND changing game design than all this is, is speculation.
And last I checked Dead Space 3 properly tanked in sales because of crap like that and pretty much killed the franchise.
I know that EA started it but that doesn't make it ok. AC3 also had this crap in MP and it was just as deplorable there.
Recent Call of Duties have been mostly shit, but Medal of Honor: Warfighter was on a different tier of shit. The Battlefield 4 SP campaign is as bad as Warfighter, but at least it has the redeeming multiplayer (if you don't count they shipped the full game in a Beta state).
>Get 10,000 xp to level up and get this special item.
(with microtransactions)
>Get 100,000,000 xp to level up and get this special item.
BUT, for a low low price of $.50, you can increase your xp by 10k each time!
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?
This is pretty bad to me. I was still somewhat excited for getting my Xbox One, but micro transactions are so everpresent in the first party titles that its starting to really worry me if it's even present in something like Lococycle. There is just no defending this type of monetization schemes in a full priced game, much more worrying is that these are single player games for the most part.
I've almost completely stopped playing mobile games due to how pervasive micro transactions are. It's a model that I refuse to partake in for the most part, with the exception of a couple games that have done it right.
This just sets up an extremely dangerous precedent.
soundscream
Member
It didn't in Forza Horizon I never used any of those game advancements and I have more in game currency than I could ever use.
It's very subtle changes, that's how they get you to accept an unwanted practice slowly over time.
Before you know it they'll be full on fucking you and it's far, far too late.
Last I checked, EA hasn't stopped including microtransactions in their games despite that.
Microtransations are sucessful and they do change game design. So, there you go.
ArkkAngel007
Member
The hack and slash gameplay might have been easier to stomach if there were more variety for both the player and the enemies.
God of War is pretty simple, but there's a variety of enemies and weapon options to mix up the gameplay.
Assassin's Creed combat is pretty similar regarding the , but it offers a large variety of options when dealing with enemies to mix things up and the limited enemy types were variable enough in behavior/defenses to somewhat bolster encounters.
Sure, Dark Souls set the bar high, though it wouldn't have necessarily worked for this type of game. But the gameplay and the surrounding design in Ryse seems to be the barest of all bones. The very minor attempts in changing things up are either rehashed throughout the game (formation segments) or have little impact (archers don't seem to inspire anything aside from being there).
Yes, I think there were too many folks looking for the game to fail, but that's what a poor first impression is bound to attract. But now the game is out there for quite a few folks, and it shows that the game is little more than a tech demo for the Xbox One. Perhaps harsh, but an old licensed game like Two Towers shouldn't still be pissing on other games with that type of gameplay and a ridiculous budget behind it.
Btw, quite a history buff myself, so seeing the game go this route was disappointing, though not surprising. Not sure if they have Romans, but Mounted Blade might satisfy some hack-and-slash needs, with some politics thrown in.
Freezie KO
Banned
Well, that's depressing.
Not sure how we can compare a hack and slash game to a TPS/Action Adventure game. So I don't think it's comparable at all. Melee isn't the focus on Uncharted either. I wouldn't call uncharted games shallow in the gameplay department as well. It's a fun TPS, with an emphasis on platform based combat which brings in a vertical element which really shines on the MP aspect of it
Ryse seems to be an odd cookie in a sense because it's a Hack and slash game with a combat system most similar to one that is an open world action game (AC).
About COD vs MOH..it depends on how well the reviewer finds their respective modes are done. For example none of those franchises have their priority on the SP side of thing. The game mechanics are rather similar. Both are FPS and their shooting component works well.
Hope that answers your Q. But I do feel we might be going a bit off topic here
SRTtoZ
Member
Fuck yea! Nice find.
It's going to be commonplace this generation. $60 up front and lots of more on the back end. It'll be slow and you might even notice it, but it will happen. Games will be built from the ground up with this in mind so whatever evidence there is, it will be comparative and in retrospect.
ArkkAngel007
Member
...I think someone here is going to send you a copy of Vanquish or Metal Gear Solid Rising.
wapplew
Member
They started it way early with Fifa Ultimate team, ask around those who play those mode.
Its practically gambling in disguise.
Thatonemoor
Member
Yeah but I keep saying I need to be shown this is happening for me to get behind this "Stop micro-transaction" movement. Until I see them in every single game I buy or someone shows me how the trend in the industry (EA and Microsoft doing this does not count as the whole industry) than I still going to keep ignoring them.
EA doesn't count as the whole industry and them (And apparently Microsoft now) Are the only ones I've seen do this honestly.
You need to differentiate between the game having a certain style and how well it does within that style.
You may or may not like COD's style. But COD is best at what it does:
A Michael Bay-esque action packed over-the-top campaign with variety in missions and levels. MOH and BF3/BF4 were trying to do go the same route, but just didn't reach COD's quality.
Just because both Rye and Uncharted are shallow doesn't mean they are of the same style, and if they were that they of the same quality.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I wouldnt bother. Anytime I read a banal comment like this I dig into their post history and see that they are a massive DmC fan.
That tells me all i need to know about their opinion on action games.
But "Japanese action games are choppy" is a whole different level of stupid.