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AMD's "tressfx" unveiled; Lara can take care of her own hair [DX11 compute]
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Sir, you are a bloody genius!
TOAO_Cyrus
Member
Anything first party is going to be exclusive. MS really needs to make physics part of the DX spec because at this point no developer has bothered to use direct compute to make a 3rd party engine.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Apparently Sony has been very successful with their "proprietary crap" and they have all gone on to be industry standards in many fields unrelated to gaming.
/shrug.
haha
Unknown Soldier
Member
Anybody else here remember TRUFORM? No? Me neither.
R10Neymarfan
Member
I take it next gen consoles will utilize this in some way? I know the PS4 already has a chip to compute so physics but having some tools catered to the GPU isn't so bad. Durango would need it more than PS4. As for PC, this is good for AMD users. If only HD 3D from AMD was good.
Femmeworth
Banned
AMD leaving the GPU market to start a brand of salons and hair care products?
You don't know how AMD users feel until you've had to clean up your drivers x amount of times because a game refused to start.
I thought the 8000 series was going be delayed until 2014? I know the AMD guy kind of walked it back. But all he said was he didn't say that, but he also didn't deny it.
I would be kind of surprised if the 8000 series was announced this soon. Just me though.
Chance Hale
Member
Bummer I likely won't be able to get the fancy hair on my 670, physx now works for AMD users right? So perhaps once glorious day more games will have Alice: Madness Returns hair ;-; Which by the way, was there ever any discussion of how they achieved that hair? Looked amazing on consoles and PC, didn't seem to use any special tech either.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Finally, good hair.
Unknown Soldier
Member
That's because there isn't anything special about it. Nvidia has demonstrated advanced hair rendering in the past with PhysX tech demos. I really doubt ATI/AMD have invented some amazing new method of rendering hair which is revolutionary and never before seen.
Felix Lighter
Member
Physx offloads on to the CPU and runs horribly if you do not have an Nvidia card.
KojiKnight
Member
I honestly hope their tressFX is just a code name for a broader more powerful physics engine (running on an open standard so we might see it in more things?) and not simply hair. Hair is cool and all... but I want more and as an entitled gamer I demand it!
MrCunningham
Member
Indeed,
I'm not an AMD fanboy, since almost all my previous cards have been NVidia based, but it's good that they're stepping up their game and creating some stiffer competition in the GPU market. Their HD7XXX series cards have actually received a lot of praise, despite a few driver issues. But these GPU exclusive feature sets are becoming a tad bit annoying. I would rather see more open cross compatibility between graphics cards than segregation. But at the same time... this was inevitable. PhysX has been a selling point for NVidia, despite it being an overrated feature that I don't see used much in games, and it was only a matter of time before AMD would come up with their own solution to this.
Cmon AMD, give PC users awesome explosion/smoke tech from PS4.
There isn't really anything there that couldn't already be done on current higher end GPU's. With game consoles starting to show off stuff like this, it will become commonplace on PC too.
jediyoshi
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KojiKnight
Member
You, sir, are now my favorite person. We need to get you a job at Valve STAT!
Felix Lighter
Member
The Alice hair .gifs look impressive but are there any moments when the hair lays down naturally or is it in constant motion?
Cmon AMD, give PC users awesome explosion/smoke tech from PS4.
if thats realtime wow!
LukasTaves
Member
DAT Hair!
Chance Hale
Member
True enough, just imagine with the specific tech in place more games will use it as compared to whatever Alice did years ago having not been used since. The bummer is that I'll have to stick to crap hair despite having a decent card but oh well.
And I don't remember any games using Phsyx for hair, mostly particle/cloth effects and the like. There were certainly tech demos showing it off though.
JonathanPower
Member
Hm...
"all new & top secret DX11 effect"?
Could it be..? Physics on Lara's hair?
Realistic crotch simulation? It could very well be.
ShellyDeKiller
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ColonelColon
Member
AMD's marketing manager for high end discrete GPUs commented on this topic at OCN:
It sounds like this won't be a proprietary technology.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1364404/gpu-physx-coming-to-amd/0_100#post_19374275
It sounds like this won't be a proprietary technology.
KojiKnight
Member
That's good, but not too surprising honestly. AMD in general is against proprietary formats for things like this since they are in the lower marketshare, it means all that R&D goes to waste when no one uses it.
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A More Normal Bird
Unconfirmed Member
I like that the ad is somewhat tongue in cheek, as a press event on virtual hair rendering is pushing it a bit. Hopefully it's part of something a bit larger in scope.
Nice one. Quoting because I got the reference.
Nice one. Quoting because I got the reference.
KojiKnight
Member
My guess is that this is going to be an extention of OpenCL versus new dedicated hardware functions which would make it compatible (but not necessarily intended) for any existing DX10/11 hardware.
I could be wrong though and this could be all part of DX11.1's enhanced Direct Compute spec... Everyone ready for Windows 8!?!? (/sarcasm)
It actually wouldn't be that unusual. They typically do annual releases. 7000 series was January 2012. If they announced new GPUs, it wouldn't be widely available until May-June.
I'm just assuming that it's tied to a physics processor, which means new hardware. AMD is also packing in 3 free games with GPUs and the AMD guy dancing around the question suggests they are trying to clear inventory. Also hopeful because I have 6950x2. Totally not worth it to pay $750 to get 2x that with 7970x2. Rather wait for 8970.
I know it's not unusual, but word on the street was that they were delaying these series to Q4 this year vs Q2 (which is when they usually come out).
What will be the difference between 7970 and 8970. Has there been any rumors? I thought the 8000 series was just going to be a re-release of the 7000 series, slightly tweaked. Could have sworn I read that somewhere.
Nah, you're thinking of the OEM release which really are 7000 series rebranded.
GPUs usually are good about keeping up with Moore's law, so for 1 year I expect 50% faster.
funny thing is that Alice 2 hair was done by one person(yes only one guy) at spicy horse.
there is a post about how the dude do it the Alice OT iirc.
how many years did it take to have empathy? lol
feel our pain bro
feel it
jk
this actually only recently affected someone I know because of how much card you get for your buck with AMD and physX was in the way of the decision(he's leaning more towards AMD though)
Cmon AMD, give PC users awesome explosion/smoke tech from PS4.
Isn't that smoke pre-baked? Another poster pointed out the fact that the smoke pillars look identical to one another.