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Bayonetta 2 Review Thread - Metacritic: one billion-hit combo, buy it kids
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Switched it to the video. I'm still avoiding footage like the plague.
Not necessarily. You could have a combo system as complex as Bayonetta, but if there's no meaningful utility attached to them, then there isn't any depth. But not knowing what the combos do means you can't judge the depth anyway.
ShockingAlberto
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Oh, I didn't even notice the switching tab above! I was just commenting I thought it was strange there was a text review as I thought it was the only one.
Stardust_Comet
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The demo's not the best example. The demo's made to be easy so that people who've never played the game before won't get frustrated by having no idea how to beat that one enemy.
That said, the combos should at least look different enough that you can tell the difference. If they didn't look that different in the demo, then maybe there were limitations to what combos you could use in it?
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
So happy this game is getting glowing reviews 
The original Bayonetta is the best action game I've ever played and Bayonetta herself is one of my favorite females in gaming. Gorgeous, sassy, fierce, confident, sexy without being trashy. QUEEN. <3
Glad to see the sequel lives up to the high bar the first game set!
The original Bayonetta is the best action game I've ever played and Bayonetta herself is one of my favorite females in gaming. Gorgeous, sassy, fierce, confident, sexy without being trashy. QUEEN. <3
Glad to see the sequel lives up to the high bar the first game set!
tim_pkmn89
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They didn't look different because too much was going on for me to notice them
Yeah, 100-point review scales in this day and age just strike me as being excessively goofy.
Revenile
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I give them some leeway, NO game has gotten a 10 on GT ever. This is the highest I've ever seen, less than 10 games have reached 9.8.
Woah...when's the last time they gave that high of a mark?
Edit: Saw from the post above.
Bayo 2 is the 7th game to reach 9.8, there has never been a 9.9 or 10.0 on the site -_-
NumberThree
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Button mashing will only get you so far, you need to learn the different properties of the different combos to fight efficiently. For example, some enemies are really tough and will be able to counter attack even when you're pounding on them, so you may need to use a combo that sweeps their feet and drops them to the ground to deal damage safely. Other are very heavy and won't be lifted by normal launchs, so you will need a different special combo to do so. And even when you're in the air you can still control the enemies on the ground while dealing damage to a launched enemy, or relaunch him in mid air to gain height, or cancel a combo to get out another wicked weave that launches enemies on the ground, while at the same time listening for tells for an incoming distant attack...the beauty of this systen is that you have a lot of possibilities in every situation and there is not a single correct answer.
Also, you have to think that your dodge (and parry in higher levels) is your best offensive move. Bayonetta forces you to put yourself in the center of danger to then react at the last second and turn a defensive situation into an offensive one. Mix this with dodge offset and the line between offense and defense dissapears, creating a fluid combat style you wont find in any other game of the genre.
Once you get the hang of all of this you can taunt to enrage enemies and enter the realm of real awesomeness.
Really, it's a great combat system, but I understand that having so many different combos to start with can be overwhelming at the beggining. Just focus on two or three different ones at the beggining, for example one for frontal attacks, another for aoe and another for launchs and try to control when you use them instead of button mashing, you'll start enjoying the game much more this way.
Also, you have to think that your dodge (and parry in higher levels) is your best offensive move. Bayonetta forces you to put yourself in the center of danger to then react at the last second and turn a defensive situation into an offensive one. Mix this with dodge offset and the line between offense and defense dissapears, creating a fluid combat style you wont find in any other game of the genre.
Once you get the hang of all of this you can taunt to enrage enemies and enter the realm of real awesomeness.
Really, it's a great combat system, but I understand that having so many different combos to start with can be overwhelming at the beggining. Just focus on two or three different ones at the beggining, for example one for frontal attacks, another for aoe and another for launchs and try to control when you use them instead of button mashing, you'll start enjoying the game much more this way.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
what does Metacritic do with a 9.8 though? Just round it up to 10? Or down to 9 (that would be nonsense tbh)?
patrickthehedgehog
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Saw this and thought I'd share if it hasn't already been posted.
Play the game and make Kamiya smile.
Play the game and make Kamiya smile.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
What a great review
ShockingAlberto
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Metacritic works on a 100-point scale, so they'll just take it as a 98.
Saw this and thought I'd share if it hasn't already been posted.
Play the game and make Kamiya smile.
So true! Preach!
Revenile
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Apparently at one time Ghost recon advanced warfighter had a 9.9, but I see 8.8 on their review so maybe a typo.
So many Nintendo minuses it looks like.(subtractions to the score for no other reason than a game being exclusive to Nintendo hardware).
I can think of little other reason for all of these these 0.5s and 0.2s. Yet a game with horrid a.i. and repeated hyper linear gameplay, not calling any names, gets perfect 10's just because it has a dramatic story from the same persons.
I can think of little other reason for all of these these 0.5s and 0.2s. Yet a game with horrid a.i. and repeated hyper linear gameplay, not calling any names, gets perfect 10's just because it has a dramatic story from the same persons.
It did on the Xbox 360. The review on their page though only shows the PC version's score for some reason.
you cannot be serious
This is actually theory I've been holding on to for a while now. This has been happening for years.
Games on Nintendo hardware just seem to get these small minus with no reasons given. Like they are not allowed to be given a perfect 10. 9.7, 9.9, but no 10. Seems to only occur with major reviewers like IGN, Gametrailers, Gamespot and so on. Just a theory.
Stardust_Comet
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Then this game probably isn't for you. (judging from this and your other comments)
Other than boss fights, you're very often fighting multiple enemies at once. And when I say multiple, I mean each encounter easily goes into the double digits territory. So it does constantly look like too much is going on because too much is going on.
I can't say for sure about comboing on Bayo2, but on Bayo1, comboing could change the direction of the fight drastically if you knew what combos to take advantage of. When you don't know the combos though, it won't feel like it's making any difference.
But it's perfectly fine if you don't understand the comboing in the game because there were a lot of combos, and more often than not, you needed to use more than one combo in a row to really see that difference.
Fimbulvetr
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The signalling on enemy attacks is pretty blatant. For the regular enemies they're all accompanied by bright flashes and distinct sound clips, and the bosses are slow and heavily telegraphed.
There's a combo list in the part of the tutorial that teaches you how to kick. So just go there and use the list as a guide.
ShockingAlberto
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You're being a crazy person right now and should stop while people still think you might be joking
What is crazy about it? I doubt I'm the only person who has noticed this.
There are so many games that I'm sure would have gotten higher scores had they been for other platforms. I bet that if Bayo 2 were on the PS4, most of these places that gave it a 9.5 or so would have given it a perfect 10. Of course there is no way of proving this.
This is something I've noticed going back to the GC. Its all theoretical of course.
Monocle
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The key to success in Bayonetta is controlling space. To play the game well you need to manage your position relative to enemies and keep tabs on what you and the enemies are doing at all times. Your combos are a set of tools for dealing damage while changing the enemies' positions and status. All of your moves have specific functions. The fun of the combat system is playing with your set of tools to learn what they do, and then applying them creatively.
Ideally you want to be dealing damage without letting up, taking no damage yourself, and neutralizing enemies' attacks until you've killed them. This is where controlling the enemies' positions and status comes in. Enemies can't hurt you if they're too far away, or being stunlocked by your attacks, or being juggled in the air, or when you're temporarily invincible while dodging or performing a torture attack, so it's up to you to create those conditions.
Combos like PKP and PPPKP knock enemies away. PKK and PPKP juggle them. PPPPK and PPPKKK are heavy damage dealers that stunlock enemies during the final hits. There are many more examples. Experiment!
Try to learn a small set of combos with different effects and use them at appropriate times. Notice the sounds and windup animations of enemies, because they signal when to dodge. If you can get used to activating Witch Time with well timed dodges, you'll have plenty of openings to deal good damage and rack up your combo score. Mashing is so much less rewarding than learning the combat system well. Bayonetta's gameplay is insanely deep but equally accessible. Start with the basics, build on what you know, and after a while you'll barely have to think about the technical stuff.
mgs2master2
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Where is my biogamer girl review???
OrbitalBeard
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MAN those Giant Bomb and GT scores!
Randy Monk
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Maybe you're just really good at video games?
SmartWaffles
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Yeah GRAW on X360 is a far superior game, PC is good but is too much sim and has some misson design issues.
Stardust_Comet
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Isn't it obvious? They're having so much fun playing the game still that they've forgotten to review =D
Relaxed Muscle
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You realize that Bayonetta 2 is getting several perfect scores? Gamespot gave it a 10/10 for example.
SmartWaffles
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You are expected to practice combos and find combinations that fits your style on your own on difficulties above normal, yes you can beat the game on normal with button mashing and blind dodges but this kind of game is never never designed or balanced around "beating the game on normal". One of the core strengths (and commercial weaknesses) of character action games is it won't hold your hand to do anything, you are expected to practice and learn on your own.
Hero of Legend
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
But Gamespot gave a 10...
Wait, I thought she was saying "Flock off!", not "Fuck off"?
Would have gotten 10.2 if it was on PS4.
Hero of Legend
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Yoshi
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I doubt we'll get one, the last big Wii U game they reviewed was DKCTF. Notably, they have ignored Mario Kart 8 and Hyrule Warriors: http://www.biogamergirl.com/p/reviews.html . Strange site that is...
NumberThree
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Sounds like a solid theory given that Gamespot gave this game a perfect 10 and Gametrailers scored this game just as high as they've scored any other game.
Yeah, I was really taken aback by their review. GameSpot is, generally, pretty harsh with their reviews, so seeing that was quite the pleasant surprise.
Poimandres
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Inflated review scores?
Or deflated review scores?
These two stances are equally absurd, but equally entertaining!
Isnt it an aggregate of all the points they give to each area? gameplay, story, graphics etc. Also a 9.8 fom GT is rarer than a 10 from most places. That is an incredible score.
Some of the nitpicking here on reviews is a bit much.
lord_of_flood
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For some reason I love this title just as much as the Segadon't one earlier in the thread. Not sure why exactly.
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