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[ultratruman]

Nobody in Clinton-world will ever believe this.

 

[Yoshi]

Sexism isn't the reason for anything

I just related to Bernie more

Women have it so easy

*Suddenly Red Pill*

Sexism is not the explanation for everything. In Germany we have a female chancellor for 12 years now, another four years almost guaranteed. Where Hillary had to fight against some sexism, Bernie had to fight against the party establishment, religious discrimination (him being an atheist is certainly not something that helps with american voters) and the fear of the word "socialism" and agism. In my eyes, there are great female politicians, but Clinton is not one of them. There are horrible male politicians, among them Trump, but also great male politicians, among them Sanders. Preferring Sanders is not a sexist position in itself.

 

[legacyzero]

At the risk of sounding glib and reductive, by Democrats mutually acknowledging that both leading Democratic candidates in 2016 lost due to choices made by their respective campaigns.

Absolutely. Bernie's focus almost exclusively on economics really hurt him. He's also really crotchety. He was also pretty shitty to down-ticket candidates. He certainly had his flaws.

Oh boy you aint seen nuthing, I got called an alt-right Tory supporting Nazi because I dared to insult their Queen.

Yeah. I'm sooo not answering that post lol

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Why are people angered/surprised by this? No one likes a loser. I bet you'd be hard pressed to find even hardcore Dems who have anything nice to say about Dukakis.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

America....

We go and totally redeem ourselves?

 

[Oemenia]

Sexism is not the explanation for everything. In Germany we have a female chancellor for 12 years now, another four years almost guaranteed. Where Hillary had to fight against some sexism, Bernie had to fight against the party establishment, religious discrimination (him being an atheist is certainly not something that helps with american voters) and the fear of the word "socialism" and agism. In my eyes, there are great female politicians, but Clinton is not one of them. There are horrible male politicians, among them Trump, but also great male politicians, among them Sanders. Preferring Sanders is not a sexist position in itself.

Going for the candidate based on their merits? Nope you must be a misogynist.

 

[eBay Huckster]

so is this the part of the thread where we get drive-by strawman posts about sexism

 

[Polioliolio]

She'd be a better president, isn't that all that matters?

Why is that hard to process?

 

[stephen08]

It's possible to have a negative view of both those people and still be a reasonable human being.

That being said though, anyone who either abstained from voting, voted for a third party candidate or voted for Trump is foolish.

A paper cut and a broken femur are both unpleasant injuries but they aren't the same order of magnitude and if you don't know which you'd rather have then you're being dense.

I actually thought Hillary would've been great though. Maybe a bit business as usual from the Obama years but definitely a capable leader.

 

[DR2K]

At least Trump's base likes him, can we even say the same about Clinton?

Trumps base is fanatic in its devotion that it will ignore reality, not many democrats see things that way.

 

[IrishNinja]

I'm not implying it. You spend every other post in this thread apologizing for racists and misogynist. Cool. So now that we've put the whole "Trump didn't lose because of racism!!!1" takes to the side

preach

Sexism isn't the reason for anything

I just related to Bernie more

Women have it so easy

*Suddenly Red Pill*

this is how we lose so very many allies folks

Once we can all find a middle ground

ah yes, the boogie stance: back to the center, dems
away with ye terrible "identity politics"

dislike for Hillary Clinton is 100% irrational, fueled by false perceptions and 30 year smear job.

Never forget that Hillary worked hard for Hillarycare in 1993 that was destroyed by Blue Dog Democrats and Republicans

so very many people seem to have no idea that even went down in the day, nevermind how much of the GOPs hate for her started there

Oh boy you aint seen nuthing, I got called an alt-right Tory supporting Nazi because I dared to insult their Queen.

you poor thing, that mustve been just awful

Going for the candidate based on their merits? Nope you must be a misogynist.

another brave post, surely a statue will one day be erected in your honor

 

[Jenov]

Sexism isn't the reason for anything

I just related to Bernie more

Women have it so easy

*Suddenly Red Pill*

It's definitely the reason for some things. Careful not to choke on that pill.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Lol RIP America. It was a bad run anyway

 

[Slizeezyc]

You guys still do this? It's amazing how often you're a moth to the flame on this topic. I'm honestly impressed you find enough rage to still try to argue about something that doesn't even matter as its own topic anymore. It's over, it happened.

 

[Tyraniboah]

The war isn't really over. The direction of our party hasn't been determined yet. You still have the Sanders camp on the left and the establishment Dems more towards the center. So we keep re-litigating the primary because that fight never really ended.

Hopefully in 2018 but more likely in 2020 we will have a better idea of the future of the Democratic Party.

I think "not Trump 2018/2020" will likely be enough. Democrats did better in some of these special elections than they've done in decades. We still need a general direction for the party, but if I'm going to vote Democrat beyond 2020 (Trumpism needs to die as soon as possible) then I'd like to see a solid middle ground between the older, centrist platform and the younger, more progressive platform. I'm not sure who will actually be the right candidate at the moment, but I think if Elizabeth Warren plays her cards right then she is capable of winning over the entire party and shaping its future.

 

[Not]

Sexism is not the explanation for everything. In Germany we have a female chancellor for 12 years now, another four years almost guaranteed. Where Hillary had to fight against some sexism, Bernie had to fight against the party establishment, religious discrimination (him being an atheist is certainly not something that helps with american voters) and the fear of the word "socialism" and agism. In my eyes, there are great female politicians, but Clinton is not one of them. There are horrible male politicians, among them Trump, but also great male politicians, among them Sanders. Preferring Sanders is not a sexist position in itself.

So when given the choice between a horrible male politician and "not great" female politician

But it can't be sexism

 

[Oemenia]

You guys still do this? It's amazing how often you're a moth to the flame on this topic. I'm honestly impressed you find enough rage to still try to argue about something that doesn't even matter as its own topic anymore. It's over, it happened.

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

So when given the choice between a horrible male politician and "not great" female politician

But it can't be sexism

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

 

[Not]

this is how we lose so very many allies folks

I've fucking seen this happen verbatim.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I think "not Trump 2018/2020" will likely be enough. Democrats did better in some of these special elections than they've done in decades. We still need a general direction for the party, but if I'm going to vote Democrat beyond 2020 (Trumpism needs to die as soon as possible) then I'd like to see a solid middle ground between the older, centrist platform and the younger, more progressive platform. I'm not sure who will actually be the right candidate at the moment, but I think if Elizabeth Warren plays her cards right then she is capable of winning over the entire party and shaping its future.

"not trump" is probably working next year. after that, they've got the entire "better deal" platform to run on

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

no, white women (specifically, white women without college degrees) didn't vote for her. everyone else had functioning brains

 

[Slizeezyc]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

I'm talking to Bernie peeps and Hillary peeps here. It doesn't matter. For once I'm actually saying BOTH SIDES(!) in a non-joking manner.

 

[minor effort]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

I don't trust your judgment on this, and I read PoliGAF quite a lot during that period. I'm sure you could count the number of NeoGAF Hillary voters who would have voted Trump had Bernie won the nomination on a single hand, and even that might be stretching it.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I don't trust you, and I read PoliGAF quite a lot during that period. I'm sure you could count the number of NeoGAF Hillary voters who would have voted Trump had Bernie won the nomination on a single hand, and even that might be stretching it.

i was a top 20 poster in pretty much every poligaf 2016 thread (and created at least one in addition to both DNC threads) and, yeah, i'm not even sure there were plural unironic "if bernie wins i'm voting trump" posters

 

[legacyzero]

preach



this is how we lose so very many allies folks



ah yes, the boogie stance: back to the center, dems
away with ye terrible "identity politics"



so very many people seem to have no idea that even went down in the day, nevermind how much of the GOPs hate for her started there



you poor thing, that mustve been just awful



another brave post, surely a statue will one day be erected in your honor

It's almost as if vilifying people who don't perfectly align with your point of view, doesn't get you anywhere AND loses elections. #BasketOfDeplorables

 

[KHarvey16]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

That's delusional.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

But the republicans secretly love her and we know everything about her already.

 

[eBay Huckster]

It's almost as if vilifying people who don't perfectly align with your point of view, doesn't get you anywhere AND loses elections. #BasketOfDeplorables

so clinton fucked that up with the deplorables comment (among several other notable campaign fuckups) and the internet left continuously fucks that up by acting like every democrat who isn't agitating for full socialism tomorrow needs to get kicked to the curb

 

[IrishNinja]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

this is an incredibly dumb and irrelevant post a full year later

I've fucking seen this happen verbatim.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

"not trump" is probably working next year. after that, they've got the entire "better deal" platform to run on

no, white women (specifically, white women without college degrees) didn't vote for her. everyone else had functioning brains

160 million people don't have functioning brains?

 

[Jenov]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

I mean, woman also protested against women's suffrage, some of the fiercest opposition was other women, lol. But sure, sexism is never the problem.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

i was a top 20 poster in pretty much every poligaf 2016 thread and, yeah, i'm not even sure there were plural unironic "if bernie wins i'm voting trump" posters

Considering how during the primaries several Sanders supporters here outright stated that older black voters were too stupid to know what was good for them because they were supporting, and that after the election certain people said the Clinton voters were the real racists, I'd believe it.

If you want names I got em but you know lol

 

[Oemenia]

That's delusional.

Well if Bernie wins, you can't prove that his supporters are misogynists!

Spoiler

I was being sarcastic.

 

[minor effort]

i was a top 20 poster in pretty much every poligaf 2016 thread (and created at least one in addition to both DNC threads) and, yeah, i'm not even sure there were plural unironic "if bernie wins i'm voting trump" posters

Just like the PUMA voters in 2008 turned out to be a non-factor. Just like the Bernie->Trump voters turned out to be a non-factor.

The amount of people who do radical 180 political shifts purely out of spite are actually pretty low. People that spiteful are much more likely to simply not vote.

 

[eBay Huckster]

160 million people don't have functioning brains?

160 million white women 1) voted, 2) do not have college degrees, and 3) supported someone hellbent on making their lot in life worse?

like, at least with white men without college degrees they're already largely society's beneficiaries!

Just like the PUMA voters in 2008 turned out to be a non-factor. Just like the Bernie->Trump voters turned out to be a non-factor.

The amount of people who do radical 180 political shifts purely out of spite are actually pretty low. People that spiteful are much more likely to simply not vote.

that's a double bingo. the idea that pretty much anyone on this forum would've considered voting Trump is so farcical on its face that it's basically threadshitting

 

[IrishNinja]

It's almost as if vilifying people who don't perfectly align with your point of view, doesn't get you anywhere AND loses elections. #BasketOfDeplorables

again, super ironic from a berniebro, super legacyofzero to point at the literally one thing said negative about bigotry as "the reason we lost" but hey man, keep pushing that centrist narrative, racial justice be damned

 

[Not]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

This is nothing but baseless projection. Bernie supporters voted for Trump over Hillary. You can't just say the opposite would happen too because it makes you feel happy and warm and correct inside.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

If you understood deep down that a racist reality TV star was about to become President over a past Senator and Secretary of State solely because white people's feelings had been really ouchy-bruised, you would've been getting real "friendly" too.

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

Vox:

Nationally, Clinton picked up 54 percent of women voters compared with Trump's mere 42 percent. But Trump outperformed Clinton among white women, winning 53 percent of voters in that demographic. Drilling down further, he beat Clinton among white women without college degrees by 27 points. In the three states that decided the election — Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan — that margin was enough to send Trump to the White House.

So all that proved was that White Supremacy makes some women feel more powerful and safer than the OTHER women getting grabbed in the pussy, and at least they aren't getting pulled over when they're driving for having "overly tinted windows."

 

[Oemenia]

So all that proved was that White Supremacy makes some women feel more powerful and safer than the OTHER women getting grabbed in the pussy, and at least they aren't getting pulled over when they're driving for having "overly tinted windows."

This is what I mean though, how did such a guy win. Clearly the opposition shot themselves in the foot by putting out a husk as a candidate.

 

[ApharmdX]

I think "not Trump 2018/2020" will likely be enough. Democrats did better in some of these special elections than they've done in decades. We still need a general direction for the party, but if I'm going to vote Democrat beyond 2020 (Trumpism needs to die as soon as possible) then I'd like to see a solid middle ground between the older, centrist platform and the younger, more progressive platform. I'm not sure who will actually be the right candidate at the moment, but I think if Elizabeth Warren plays her cards right then she is capable of winning over the entire party and shaping its future.

The dirty truth nobody wants to admit (because it goes against their ulterior motive of co-opting the party into MY DIRECTION) is if the Democratic party stands for "not Donald Trump" in 2018, it will be enough to win.

The first midterm is always bad for the President's party - and that's when they have good approval ratings.

What you guys are saying makes sense for 2018. This president and his Congress are a shitshow. I think for 2020 though the Democrats are going to need a clear direction forward. Just running against Trump with "he's bad" is a dangerous gambit.

(The second dirty truth is that the policy differences between the Sanders wing and the establishment wing are incredibly small and basically amount to trade and guns (?!?).)

This is true for most establishment Dems, unless you count the blue dogs as establishment, but I think there's a crucial difference between the two wings- if you ask the Sanders wing, they would likely say that their priorities are economic justice, then social justice. The establishment wing would flip those.

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

I don't think this would have happened in any great number, but there was at least one poster who I remember saying that he'd support Trump if Hillary won. Which is crazy, just as crazy as Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Clinton (though there weren't many).

 

[eBay Huckster]

This is what I mean though, how did such a guy win.

a combination of a singularly bad candidate, white backlash on a scale last seen in the 1960s, and voter suppression

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

that's a double bingo. the idea that pretty much anyone on this forum would've considered voting Trump is so farcical on its face that it's basically threadshitting

Eh, there are actually a number of admitted Trump voters here, less vocal about it recently for obvious reasons and some who pretend they didn't in order to enjoy arguments

 

[Not]

I feel like sarcasm might not be translating well in this thread.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Eh, there are actually a number of admitted Trump voters here, less vocal about it recently for obvious reasons and some who pretend they didn't in order to enjoy arguments

should've made it more clear that i'm referring to avowed Clinton supporters suddenly turning around and voting Trump, rather than The Silent Minority

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

should've made it more clear that i'm referring to avowed Clinton supporters suddenly turning around and voting Trump, rather than The Silent Minority

Ah, I see.

Yeah, a lot of the more vocal Clinton supporters are minorities so the idea that they'd have flipped for Trump is pretty wild-although he did get a little too much of the Latino vote-_-

 

[jack_package_200]

This feels relevant

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/dail...out-of-public-life-along-with-all-other-women

It’s Time for Hillary Clinton to Gracefully Bow Out of Public Life, Along with All Other Women

You won’t find a bigger supporter of Hillary Clinton than me. Sure, I stumped for Barack Obama in 2008, and for Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primary, but I have always been steadfast in my belief that Hillary Rodham Clinton had the judgment and experience to be Commander-in-Chief of the United States (unless there were some technical way in which Bernie Sanders could still pull it off).

So it is as one of Clinton’s biggest supporters that I say to her now: your work here is done. It is time for Hillary Clinton to disappear from our magazine covers and our television screens, and gracefully retire from public life. Ideally, taking all other women with her.

This is about moving forward, and how are we supposed to do that when we’re hamstrung by symbols of past failures, like Hillary Clinton, or Geraldine from human resources, who makes a federal case out of every bad joke around the water cooler? Let’s save the investigating for private e-mail servers, O.K., Geraldine? There are still a lot of unanswered questions there.

The Trump Presidency isn’t a slow-motion car crash. It’s happening at light speed, every day. How are we supposed to combat this existential threat when we’re constantly interrupted by the rejected message of a previous candidate? And how am I supposed to formulate my thoughts when my wife is constantly interrupting to ask what I’m thinking? It’s a political Catch-22 that can only be reconciled by Hillary returning to the Chappaqua woods, along with my wife, and her friend Sarah with the weird laugh, who apparently doesn’t have her own apartment where she can watch “The Good Fight.”

And don’t get me started on Chelsea. Yes, she’s a highly educated, well-spoken young woman with a lifelong front-row seat to politics and governance. As a private citizen of this democracy, she has every right to run for office. But should she? The last thing we need is to keep the Clinton dynasty on life support. Like my grandmother, selfishly clinging to a fortune she cannot enjoy, with one foot in the grave and the other in a tub of Epsom salt. The Newport house should be mine, Nana. The Newport house belongs to America now.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Yeah, no shit. It's why she lost to that clown.

 

[IrishNinja]

This feels relevant

..that's not HA goodman

 

[xxracerxx]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

What the fuck is this nonsense?

 

[royalan]

I honestly think that the Hillary supporters here would've voted for Trump if Bernie got the nomination.

Trust me, should've been here before the election, those guys were a really friendly bunch.

Believe what you want but even women didn't vote for her.

Wonders why he might not have had great dialogues with Hillary supporters...

Seriously posts things like this.


As someone active on GAF and politically involved in the greater Philadelphia area I don't know any Hillary supporter online or in real life that would have voted for Trump over Bernie.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Her slogan was actually Stronger Together

She did a very piss poor job advertising that slogan. I mean, "Make America Great Again" literally memed itself overnight and spread life wildfire. On GAF, mostly a negative connotation but it eventually spread itself enough to be a positive effect.

I'm with Her was even more bland.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Yeah, no shit. It's why she lost to that clown.

No, she lost because of the system, and because just enough Americans in just enough states are stupid enough.

Donald Trump had 3 million fewer voters than Hillary. His victory reflects the failures of both the system and of a significant portion of the US electorate.

Why do so many blame the person who is the object of the election rather than the subject?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Nobody in Clinton-world will ever believe this.

Uhh, it's not that hard to understand.

Republicans still hate her, people on the fence that didn't really like her are more pissed now that she fumbled the election.

Unbelievable!