Infernal Monkey
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BlackGoku03 said:
I REGRET NOTHING.
Except buying it.
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EGM: Does the Nintendo Seal of Quality mean nothing?
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I REGRET NOTHING.
Red Scarlet
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:lol :lol at the end.
BlackGoku03 said:
I feel sorry for whoever was told to create it, seriously, I can only imagine the timescale that was made in....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5mYSwsWSBnI
Drag Racer USA, well, at least this one hasn't got horrific pop-in, but looks like the car is skating on an ice rink, ah well, fix one problem at a time Phoenix, by 2013 you might make the perfect PS2 racer.
Note, this vid was also made by Infernal Monkey, he must love buying this shit, where do you get them from? and how must do you shell out for this punishment?
Red Scarlet
Member
Oooooh, you made a van one and some mole one too. Yeah, please get the soccer one!
There are more than just white vans, even a locked one! :lol 'Mind that Child'
How do you pass people? The road is 1 lane with 50 vans on it and there's barriers 2 feet out from the road, which you can't see for crap because the van is so big.
:lol :lol :lol OMG at the end.
Is that you talking on the mole one?
There are more than just white vans, even a locked one! :lol 'Mind that Child'
How do you pass people? The road is 1 lane with 50 vans on it and there's barriers 2 feet out from the road, which you can't see for crap because the van is so big.
:lol :lol :lol OMG at the end.
Is that you talking on the mole one?
Ok, this is relevant to the thread....
http://www.phoenixgamesgroup.com/uk/nds.html
Apparently they now have a license to publish DS games, I can only imagine the ports of White Van Racer, on 2 screens!!!
*shudder*
http://www.phoenixgamesgroup.com/uk/nds.html
Apparently they now have a license to publish DS games, I can only imagine the ports of White Van Racer, on 2 screens!!!
*shudder*
tehrik-e-insaaf
Member
LOL EGM is so full of it.
Anyone who has been reading the mag for the past 10-15 years will tell you these guys were the ones who complained non-stop about how "Nintendo kills games, they control what we can and cannot play, their standards are too ridiculous" wah wah wah...
When PSX had crap out the wazoo and Xbox was certifying every generic PC port possible to get more games (including trash like Azurik), this was OK, but now Nintendo disbands its internal game approval team because of the existence of ESRB and would rather let the market decide, suddenly they aren't enforcing "standards" enough.
It's funny because EGM then talks about how Sony "supports" their developers and doesn't "kill 2d games" when we KNOW, documented fact, that Sony has routinely killed several 2d games because they didn't feel it was "next-gen" enough.
Typical game journalist hypocricy for the mega-win.
Bottom line:
EGM wants Nintendo to oversee what games get released, isn't it better if they let the consumers decide? If people spend 50 bucks on a game and feel hosed, they shoulda done the research and rented first. No random standards from Nintendo are going to change idiots from being idiots, and moreover, if games really suck retailers won't carry it.
Now as far as Nintendo ENCOURAGING top quality game developers to spend time and create new games for the Wii, they definitely need to be doing that (and it doesn't seem like they have been successful). But placing controls on their platform and restricting game developer output, well, that is a bad idea, and we will very quickly go back to the old Nintendo where censorship and content control was prevalent.
Anyone who has been reading the mag for the past 10-15 years will tell you these guys were the ones who complained non-stop about how "Nintendo kills games, they control what we can and cannot play, their standards are too ridiculous" wah wah wah...
When PSX had crap out the wazoo and Xbox was certifying every generic PC port possible to get more games (including trash like Azurik), this was OK, but now Nintendo disbands its internal game approval team because of the existence of ESRB and would rather let the market decide, suddenly they aren't enforcing "standards" enough.
It's funny because EGM then talks about how Sony "supports" their developers and doesn't "kill 2d games" when we KNOW, documented fact, that Sony has routinely killed several 2d games because they didn't feel it was "next-gen" enough.
Typical game journalist hypocricy for the mega-win.
Bottom line:
EGM wants Nintendo to oversee what games get released, isn't it better if they let the consumers decide? If people spend 50 bucks on a game and feel hosed, they shoulda done the research and rented first. No random standards from Nintendo are going to change idiots from being idiots, and moreover, if games really suck retailers won't carry it.
Now as far as Nintendo ENCOURAGING top quality game developers to spend time and create new games for the Wii, they definitely need to be doing that (and it doesn't seem like they have been successful). But placing controls on their platform and restricting game developer output, well, that is a bad idea, and we will very quickly go back to the old Nintendo where censorship and content control was prevalent.
Infernal Monkey
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itxaka said:
Haha, thanks. =')
Red Scarlet said:
Yep, that's me!
There's seriously no other camera angles in the van game, so you're stuck trying to see anything other than the back of the bloody thing. Passing others is basically just based on luck (or sometimes CPU vans will just tip over for no reason).
Stop It said:
Indeed!
I won't bother posting lists. Go scan a release list and look for DSI Games, UFO Entertainment, Conspiracy, Detn8 etc. -- all Wii and DS titles, all ridiculous crap that no game mag or respectable site will even review.DavidDayton said:
I doubt many retailers will even stock this crap, yet Nintendo has no problem certifying it.
bgassassin
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After reading this thread, I would conclude that:
Phoenix Games > Nibris
Phoenix Games > Nibris
Rhindle said:
The problem is that some of their stuff IS playable, albiet to smaller markets. Some stuff is pure lousiness, but not necessarily everything. One of those is publishing the C64 collection for the DS, for example.
DSI gave us at least one worthwhile thing - a budget release with Risk. UFO is SUPPOSED to be doing some Taito ports. Conspiracy has released various Choro/Penny racers titles in the past - releasing small games other folks were skipping.
The fact is that most of the folks you mentioned either port obscure little games or licensed stuff (which appears on all the systems, if you hadn't noticed). I'll give you the Conspiracy/Phoenix stuff, but at least the Wii ports are the Phoenix titles with SOME effort in them, as opposed to the horrid stuff.
I'm just not sure it's an issue of Sony/MS turning titles down MOST of the time. I mean, the only unusually bad stuff I could come up with from all the companies you named would seem to be the Ninjabread Man/etc. lineup. Five titles don't seem to make "HORDES OF EVIL".
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
I was hoping that High School Musical for the Wii would be ok. I actually have to buy it because of a girl....
Demigod Mac
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Wow, apparently nobody's read the article. Talk about jumping to premature conclusions. Brief summary:
- Seems all you need is money to buy a license to publish on Wii and DS.
- Getting a game approved by Sony and Microsoft is tougher. They try to enforce a minimum quality standard. BAD GAMES DO SLIP THROUGH, yes. Nintendo does not enforce this quality standard at all, however. Not anymore, at least.
- A lot of shovelware is being brought to Nintendo platforms to make a quick buck. Flash-based web games are being ported and sold on the Wii and DS.
AND POSITIVE POINTS THEY MAKE IF YOU THINK EGM "JUST HATES NINTENDO":
- As much as shovelware sucks, it may actually be an indicator of a healthy platform
- EGM is concerned that Nintendo's reputation may be sullied by terrible 3rd party software and they call Nintendo out to enforce better standards for games
- On a final note, they remark that regardless of the 3rd party situation, Nintendo's 1st party software will always be high quality
Whoops. Looks like you people spewing out a lot of sensational ballyhoo don't know what you're talking about.
- Seems all you need is money to buy a license to publish on Wii and DS.
- Getting a game approved by Sony and Microsoft is tougher. They try to enforce a minimum quality standard. BAD GAMES DO SLIP THROUGH, yes. Nintendo does not enforce this quality standard at all, however. Not anymore, at least.
- A lot of shovelware is being brought to Nintendo platforms to make a quick buck. Flash-based web games are being ported and sold on the Wii and DS.
AND POSITIVE POINTS THEY MAKE IF YOU THINK EGM "JUST HATES NINTENDO":
- As much as shovelware sucks, it may actually be an indicator of a healthy platform
- EGM is concerned that Nintendo's reputation may be sullied by terrible 3rd party software and they call Nintendo out to enforce better standards for games
- On a final note, they remark that regardless of the 3rd party situation, Nintendo's 1st party software will always be high quality
Whoops. Looks like you people spewing out a lot of sensational ballyhoo don't know what you're talking about.
PetriP-TNT
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Imagine: Nintendo Seal Of Qualityz 2
The Faceless Master
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Nintendo obviously needs to release a Quality Training game.
PkunkFury
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I remember when Nintnedo was hated for exerting quality control and locking 3rd parties out for having what they considered "bad" games :\ Now things have come full circle...
but really, I do see the issue here. Some of those games are pure crap. And it's not just Nintendo, it's every cheap, popular system. There should be some form of quality control, just because every person who buys a bad game is less likely to continue the hobby. However bad games flooded the NES and the PSX, and those were some of the best selling systems of all time, so I guess they aren't hurting as much as I imagine
but really, I do see the issue here. Some of those games are pure crap. And it's not just Nintendo, it's every cheap, popular system. There should be some form of quality control, just because every person who buys a bad game is less likely to continue the hobby. However bad games flooded the NES and the PSX, and those were some of the best selling systems of all time, so I guess they aren't hurting as much as I imagine
Mockingbird
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The seal just means it's a legit product... The whoever is putting out this product jumped through hoops and paid good cash so that they're allowed to put games on the Wii or create accessories for it. It doesn't mean that said game is off the hook.
Edit: Ok I clicked on the link. Wtf are you complaining about? Why should Nintendo turn down good money? And hey little girly girls want Hannah Montana or High School Musical. Heck, it may even motivate parents to get a Wii. They could be like "hmm, I get this exercise machine and my daughter gets to karaoke = more reason to own the damn system." NOT allowing it is stupid business sense. And it shouldn't bother you, because you're not forced to buy it. I can understand journalists who are forced to go to their E3 conferences as assignments getting pissed (see Disney E3 2007 conference vid). but otherwise, there's really little reason to complain.
And Sony not allowing stuff on their system was such BS. SNK wasn't allowed to put titles on their systems, while Nintendo asked their developers to express creativity.
Excerpt from interview:
AMN: Now, you mentioned that you couldn't bring it to Xbox 360 or PS3 because those are high-definition platforms (with Metal Slug 6 being a 2-D game). Now, you also had a somewhat similar problem with Sony on the PS2, where some games had to be cancelled because Sony of America would not permit it due to some stuff about not meeting their graphical standards, gameplay details aside. Has Nintendo posed any kind of barriers for SNK?
Ben Herman: None whatsoever. They were very happy to have us back on board. They didn't come chasing us, but they allow us to have creativity. One of the things about the development kit for Wii is that, they said to us, create accessories. Do add-ons. If there are companies like Logitech and the like that are going to create all kinds of accessories that Nintendo. . .Nintendo's not going to corner the market or say that these are the only accessories that will plug in and play. They essentially are saying "be creative." Today I went to see the presentation. They had some accessories that had not really been shown. They have a classic joypad. They're working on a gun. Other third parties as far as accessory makers will work on other accessories and you know. . .just have fun with it.
So sure we get shit games for the system, but at least we don't filter out any potential good games. We can just not buy shit but we can't buy something that gets filtered.
Edit: Ok I clicked on the link. Wtf are you complaining about? Why should Nintendo turn down good money? And hey little girly girls want Hannah Montana or High School Musical. Heck, it may even motivate parents to get a Wii. They could be like "hmm, I get this exercise machine and my daughter gets to karaoke = more reason to own the damn system." NOT allowing it is stupid business sense. And it shouldn't bother you, because you're not forced to buy it. I can understand journalists who are forced to go to their E3 conferences as assignments getting pissed (see Disney E3 2007 conference vid). but otherwise, there's really little reason to complain.
And Sony not allowing stuff on their system was such BS. SNK wasn't allowed to put titles on their systems, while Nintendo asked their developers to express creativity.
Excerpt from interview:
AMN: Now, you mentioned that you couldn't bring it to Xbox 360 or PS3 because those are high-definition platforms (with Metal Slug 6 being a 2-D game). Now, you also had a somewhat similar problem with Sony on the PS2, where some games had to be cancelled because Sony of America would not permit it due to some stuff about not meeting their graphical standards, gameplay details aside. Has Nintendo posed any kind of barriers for SNK?
Ben Herman: None whatsoever. They were very happy to have us back on board. They didn't come chasing us, but they allow us to have creativity. One of the things about the development kit for Wii is that, they said to us, create accessories. Do add-ons. If there are companies like Logitech and the like that are going to create all kinds of accessories that Nintendo. . .Nintendo's not going to corner the market or say that these are the only accessories that will plug in and play. They essentially are saying "be creative." Today I went to see the presentation. They had some accessories that had not really been shown. They have a classic joypad. They're working on a gun. Other third parties as far as accessory makers will work on other accessories and you know. . .just have fun with it.
So sure we get shit games for the system, but at least we don't filter out any potential good games. We can just not buy shit but we can't buy something that gets filtered.
Rabbit Lord
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NDF?
Demigod Mac said:
(Bolded bit)
Bull...shit, look at this thread, look at all of the youtube links, Phoenix games ONLY makes shovelware, that isn't "slipping through" thats green lighting knowing full well what the end result will be, now tell me, how is Nintendo doing anything that Sony hasn't? Oh wait, it hasn't.
SaggyMonkey
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Oh the horror of a someone making a product for someone that isn't a high school/college age male! EGM, go save mankind by keeping games made for little girls away from little girls.
*feels the slight surge of what might make Drinky dump eight paragraphs about something on the world*
*feels the slight surge of what might make Drinky dump eight paragraphs about something on the world*
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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TheGreatDave said:
Red Steel says hi.
BrodiemanTTR
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mj1108 said:
Nintendo as market leader has them scrambling for the water buckets.
_Alkaline_
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shagg_187 said:
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Alkaliine said:
Last time i saw someone play Red Steel, Wii bricked on him... 0.01% chance of it happening, but it did
_Alkaline_
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shagg_187 said:Last time i saw someone play Red Steel, Wii bricked on him... 0.01% chance of it happening, but it did
Oh ok, yeah I haven't heard that one before.
Though I have heard of RE4 Wii Edition overheating the GPU.
From the hardcore perspective there is a huge amount of crap on Nintendo systems, probably more than on MS and current Sony hw, but all this proves is the huge gulf in tastes between this audience and the mass market.
Many hardcore gamers, especially the gaming media, continue to be utterly clueless to the very clear fact the mass market have completely different tastes. This happens to a level where even if a game is loved by both audiences the reasons are different.
In the same way fanatics laud accolades over TV shows like Heroes and 24 and laugh at American Idol, they lack the simple insight to realise people have different opinions about things.
In short, we don't get it, and never will. Nintendo is running a business and declining titles which people buy and enjoy because of a subjective view of what constitutes good, from a group the game isn't aimed at, is retarded.
I mean, come on, you only have to look at the hardcore/gaming media reaction to Wii Sports to realise how fuck me out of touch they are with reality! :lol
Many hardcore gamers, especially the gaming media, continue to be utterly clueless to the very clear fact the mass market have completely different tastes. This happens to a level where even if a game is loved by both audiences the reasons are different.
In the same way fanatics laud accolades over TV shows like Heroes and 24 and laugh at American Idol, they lack the simple insight to realise people have different opinions about things.
In short, we don't get it, and never will. Nintendo is running a business and declining titles which people buy and enjoy because of a subjective view of what constitutes good, from a group the game isn't aimed at, is retarded.
I mean, come on, you only have to look at the hardcore/gaming media reaction to Wii Sports to realise how fuck me out of touch they are with reality! :lol
Dalauz said:
It's great marketing! They should up the price of their games (from budget to full-priced), and market them as the worst games on any console, and admit they are proud of it, because they want out money.
It would sell like hell, 'cause people are curious to see how bad a game can be. "I wonder if this is even worse than their last game, I gotta check this one out".
BrodiemanTTR
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HylianTom said:
Now that Nintendo's leapfrogged Microsoft, core gamer mag EGM is pulling out all the stops to "put out the fire" so to speak, hence the "Hey doesn't Nintendo have a lot of crappy games?" article. Just a joke.
Invertibrate
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Stop It said:
And none of those games were released in America. Read the article. It relates to America specifically.
Invertibrate said:
SCEE are sick bastards with no standards confirmed.
Phoenix are a European publisher, and hardly a heavyweight one at that, the fact that the games never saw the light of day over in the US is probably more down to a lack of a distribution deal than SCEA having "higher standards" than SCEE, just saying
BrodiemanTTR
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reggieandTFE
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I thought Game Informer was the Nintendo-hating rag in the US. In their E3 wrap up issue they had 2 pages to cover Smash Brother and Super Mario Galaxy combined and described the graphics in Super Mario Strikers simply as "eww..." despite it being a decent looking game.
leroy hacker
Member
Acknowledging that the article is one of Seanbaby's humor articles, there are still some serious things to say that haven't been said yet.
There are two steps of approval you need to pass through to make an official ps2 game. At the end is quality approval. This is where they check for bugs and makes sure the game satisfies the technical requirements checklist. Nintendo and MS have this step also. The first parties will let you resubmit the game as much as you want until it passes, and then it can be released.
There is also an earlier step that only Sony has, concept approval, that takes place much earlier in the development process. They approve the concept. If you fail, you can't resubmit unless you make major changes, so usually concept failure ends projects.
Also, each of these steps needs to be repeated for each region, I'm pretty sure, though I'm not sure about MS and a year ago some people claimed that Sony was globalizing concept approval, so that a game concept approved in one region could be developed anywhere-such certainly was not the case in the past.
All this information comes from a post here a while ago by an Atlus employee.
Anyway, SCEA has been notoriously strict with concept approval compared to other regions. It is at the concept approval stage where all the stories about SCEA limiting 2-d games start. It is at the concept approval stage where Working Designs' final games were denied and after which they foolishly continued in development without any guarantee they would ever be approved. These standards probably also have kept Phoenix ps2 games off American soil.
No one should want the first party manufacturers to exercise control over the content of games and the industry will be more healthy in a situation where the dominant players don't have a concept approval step.
There are two steps of approval you need to pass through to make an official ps2 game. At the end is quality approval. This is where they check for bugs and makes sure the game satisfies the technical requirements checklist. Nintendo and MS have this step also. The first parties will let you resubmit the game as much as you want until it passes, and then it can be released.
There is also an earlier step that only Sony has, concept approval, that takes place much earlier in the development process. They approve the concept. If you fail, you can't resubmit unless you make major changes, so usually concept failure ends projects.
Also, each of these steps needs to be repeated for each region, I'm pretty sure, though I'm not sure about MS and a year ago some people claimed that Sony was globalizing concept approval, so that a game concept approved in one region could be developed anywhere-such certainly was not the case in the past.
All this information comes from a post here a while ago by an Atlus employee.
Anyway, SCEA has been notoriously strict with concept approval compared to other regions. It is at the concept approval stage where all the stories about SCEA limiting 2-d games start. It is at the concept approval stage where Working Designs' final games were denied and after which they foolishly continued in development without any guarantee they would ever be approved. These standards probably also have kept Phoenix ps2 games off American soil.
No one should want the first party manufacturers to exercise control over the content of games and the industry will be more healthy in a situation where the dominant players don't have a concept approval step.
Stop It said:
Well, there's also (*gasp*) moneyhats and other considerations.
I know for a fact that Sony WILL block games they don't like. The big difference is the price point.
If a game is budget, then by all means release it, they don't care.
If it's a full-priced game, there are 2 alternatives.
1- Sony blocks it.
2- The dev/publisher pays for ALL manufacturing costs (which usually Sony does).