Or fronttouch..Dont know how this would work. Jak 2 and Jak 3 made use of L2 and R2 iirc for transformations and the hover board. I suppose they could use rear touch but that seems weird.
If the saves transfer between the two, which they should, I might actually find the will to revisit Jak 2 and finally clear it 100%.
Also: what are the odds this is a first step towards the vita sequel several people in this thread were hoping for?
It was an above average collectathon platformer. Great for its time, but nowhere near the crowning achievement of the trilogy. Otherwise they would have done two more (yawn). The hate for Jak II is baffling, clearly many who couldn't get past the tank level here...
WOW, every single point you made here is factually incorrect. Jak 2 puts much more focus on platforming than gunplay, the Krimzon Guard barely does anything to impede your progress when you run into them, and there's only a few timed missions and even fewer escort missions, and when there are the time limits are more than generous and the people you have to escort don't get themselves killed easily unless you're really incompetent at protecting them. Did you even play the game? It's a masterpiece which still has some of the best 3D platforming level design to this day.
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Wow this thread turned into Jak 1 VS 2, why am I not surprised. All 3 main games are really good for different reasons!
Would you guys get a Jak and Daxter: Lost Cillection featuring Jak X, Daxter and Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier? Cmon, it wasn't THAT bad, a 6, maybe a 7 if they can fix up some of the issues!
Ape Escape 2 + Ape Escape 3 + Million Monkeys + voucher for Ape Escape PS1 Classic
all of my money
Pretty much ignore this man. Jak 1 was pretty much just an open world Crash Bandicoot rip off. The second two are hard as balls, and damn awesome. They were the next best thing to a cartoony GTA if you had a Mother who read the Daily Mail and wouldn't buy you such games, as I did.
Come on man that's not really fair.
I understand that you might like Jak 1 better, but that doesn't make 2 and 3 "horrible and decent at best". In fact, I'm pretty sure that many people will enjoy the sequels a lot due to the more action and open world oriented gameplay.
Yeah...no. The first game is just another generic N64 era platformer. There's nothing unique or fun about it at all. Only play it if you're a trophy whore since it's a pretty easy platinum.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Jak 1 is one of the best games on PS2 and feels like the ultimate evolution of ND's Crash formula. Jak 3 feels kind of like an evolution of Jak II that tones down the worse aspects. Jak II, however, is a frustrating, poorly designed mess of a game. Instead of being a straight platformer with some vehicle-based segments, it becomes a vehicle and gun-based game with only a hint of platforming, which would be okay if the game weren't so cheap. And I say cheap and not hard because the game isn't difficult, just very poorly designed. Here are a few examples:
-Horrible overworld. They wanted to ape GTA by having a big city with tons of cars everywhere, but forgot one crucial aspect: the player has to be able to actually drive around this city for it to be fun. Instead, they have a hovercar system where you can switch between a high and low plane, but if you're on the lower plane then you're bound to hit a ton of hovercars and policemen who will send tons of guys after you to kill you, and if you're on the higher plane you're going to hit a ton of hovercars and buildings. So really there's no fun way to get around since you're always going to be bumping into things.
-TIME LIMITS EVERYWHERE. You will get stuck on almost every driving mission guaranteed, solely because they enforce obnoxious time limits that give you no time to screw up which, coupled with the aforementioned policemen you WILL accidentally hit and who WILL end you before you even come close to the goal, add up to a all around bad experience.
-Escort missions. With AI that gets easily killed. That have no checkpoints so when they get killed right at the end you have to start all over.
It is just not good. Jak 1 and 3 are decent enough to be worth buying, but for the love of god SKIP JAK II
Jak 1 was fantastic, just a fun platformer with an open dynamic and a great sense of place.
Just spending time on Sentinel Beach at night, listening to the soundtrack, is a fond memory of it.
Jak 2 i kinda hated.
Jak 3 looked pretty damn good, but got it in a busy period and never ended up finishing it.
I would love a Jak4 that was going back to the Jak 1 style, without guns and angst, though i know it won't happen.
Lol, what the hell? "Ignore this man because my opinion is right and his opinion is wrong"?
How the hell is Jak a rip-off of Crash Bandicoot when the games are made by the same developer? How do you rip yourself off? Jak 2 is absolutely horrible. It's a terrible game in every regard. The gameplay is generic, boring and non-rewarding. The world has no life. All you do is drive from point A to point B. It's extremely repetitive. Level design is horrible. Atmosphere is terrible. And to make it worse Jak has become emo. Jak 3 is a tiny bit better but still a below-average game.
The fact that it was a generic N64-era platformer is what made it good. Super Mario 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Donkey Kong 64 and Jak 1 are all similar games. Jak 1 has obviously been inspired by Nintendo, and there's no shame in it. I don't give two craps if it's unique or not. Uniqueness is 100% irrelevant to quality.
I doubt I'd buy this collection again just to play them on the Vita.
I'm kind of worried on this point. MGS2 rarely kept up 60 fps on the Vita except for small indoor areas even though it was running at sub-native resolution, and the Jak games were probably pushing the PS2 even harder than MGS2 (Andy Gavin wrote his own programming language to get the most out of the PS2 hardware). This also seems like a project that would be dumped off onto a less capable team.Nice, was holding out on the ps3 version in hopes of a vita one, but I got it for $15 on sale.
I will gladly triple dip for Jak and Daxter alone. Jak 2 and 3 are a bonus. I wouldn't pass up on these as they'd make perfect fits on vita, especially of they're 60fps! If the price is $15-20, it's a definite buy
If you're going to outwardly state "This game is good, this is bad", expect that to be contested, especially on NeoGAF. It's not absolutely horrible. To say it's terrible in every regard is asinine. The gameplay isn't generic, wait generic? Jak & Daxter 1 wasn't UBER generic? Wow, double jump. Jesus, a spin attack! Innovation. Again, I've pointed out my "ripoff" comment was wrong, and explained what I meant. It felt like Naughty Dog doing another Crash game with new characters. And that was it. Collect so many precursor orbs (Wumpa Fruit), smash so many crates, collect so many ancient artifacts called Power Cells (Gems/Crystals). It wasn't Naughty Dog doing anything new or breaking any sort of ground. It's only caveat was that it was open world, and honestly outside of no loading screens, what did that achieve? There was no real exploration, it was just many levels put together without being broken up by virtual walls.
All you do is drive from point A to point B. No... that was the driving missions. There were things after that involving other objectives. It's not repetitive. The missions are highly differentiated and unique. Level design is great and interesting. Atmosphere is fantastic and new. And to make it better, Jak isn't a silent fucking protagonist, as flawed as is character may be.
Honestly, just disagreement all round. No idea what Jak II you played. You seem to have it in for an interesting sequel to a boring ass platformer.
That's great for Sony only platform owners that had never played those game, but to anyone with an N64 or generally someone that played a lot of platformers, Jak 1 was same old, same old. I liked Jak II back in the day because it was sort of like GTA, but that was only the overworld. The internal/external mission and levels painted a very interesting world, and had some great set-pieces.
Naughty Dog peaks with the second game of their trilogy, you know it to be true.
Pft. Drop the act. I never claimed that my opinion was almighty. You did. The response you gave was ridiculous. In any case;
The game is indeed horrible, and I briefly stated why. It is, in fact, terrible in every regard. I simply cannot think of a single way the game is good. Gameplay? No, it's extremely boring, non-rewarding and repetitive. Controls? No, they're inaccurate. Graphics? No, they're generic, soulless and boring. Music? What music? Atmosphere? It's beyond legendarily bad -- in fact, there's hardly any atmosphere at all. The game is just soulless. Story? It's as if it was written by a twelve year old. Characters? Horrible. Level design? Ridiculously bad. The town is a mess and the brief levels and so stupidly designed that it make you wonder if they even had a level designer.
Was Jak 1 generic? Sure. Was Jak 1 innovative? Not really. Does anyone give a damn except you? Nope. I could make a game that's all about eating shit. No one has ever made a game like that. It'd be incredibly innovate. Does that make it a good game? Meanwhile, I could make a fantastic fantasy game, with photo-realistic graphics, an incredibly in-depth mature non-linear story-line, a huge world filled with content and spot-on gameplay that introduces new gameplay moments every ten minutes. Is it innovative? Not really, it'd be like most fantasy games except it would be of extremely high quality. Case in point? Innovation is irrelevant to quality.
And claiming that Jak 2 is like GTA is just ridiculous as well. And to make matters worse, that's one of your only arguments for the game. Then you have some "attacks" (not quite insults) like "you know that Jak 2 is best, DON'T YOU" and "no idea what Jak 2 you played". Drop the act. Don't make yourself look silly. There's only one game called Jak 2; there's no reason to act like a jerk.
And in that, I rest my case. There you go. Spot-on arguments that break your few arguments to pieces.
It was more a casual jokey thing than a "NO. IGNORE THIS MAN". As are the "You know Naughty Dog "2" games are the best" comments. Not actually meant to be taken seriously... but for example, when you start calling the graphics awful when they actually had to use bits of the PS2 (PS1 processor chip) they weren't really supposed to acheive the visuals, it seems you're just being hyperbolic. I'd love you to back your arguments up a little more past "The graphics are awful, there's no atmosphere, there's no this, no that, it all sucks etc." Maybe I'd be a little more inclined to see your point if you weren't just listing faults without any further explanation. Your argument certainly isn't "spot-on" as you rather egotistically attest, it instead comes off as an aimless attack.
I'm not acting like a jerk at all, you actually seem like you could use a little calming down. I'm arguing a point, which is why forums exist. For debate and discussion. I'm certainly not the only one in the thread who likes Jak 2 better than 1, or hell, the only one who likes all three games equally.
All the PS2 collections should be made to work on Vita or PS4 by launch. I do wonder though if these are actually running off an emulator shell like the GTA games and God Hand or coded to PS3. It would really suck to rebuy classics again but Sony has a good track record of at least getting old digital releases working on new hardware.
Yeah, the trilogy as a whole is great for different individual reasons.
I'd definitely buy a Daxter HD. Jak X not so much, and Lost Frontier definitely not. Dark Daxter? Get out.
Dark Daxter was really stupid but he was hardly in the game. I feel people are a little too hard on the game. Sure it's nowhere near as good as Jak 1/2/3 or Daxter even, but it was a fun little platformer, hampered by control issues. I think I enjoyed dog fighting way more than I should...
What the hell is this? I made a long post with spot-on arguments and you don't even bother to argue against me. It's like I'm fighting a little dog who just barks and barks. You're even incapable of reading, for I never even said that the graphics were awful. You're just making stuff up along because you don't have any arguments. You know that you've lost.
This is pathetic. We're done here. Why do I even waste my time arguing with people who can't even do a proper argumentation. You're supposed to post arguments, not talk about how you act. The last straw is when you say that I don't do any further explanation. My mind is blown. I don't know if you're trying to be funny, maybe even ironic against yourself, or if you're actually being serious. No matter which one, we're most certainly done here.
An argument is a point backed up by further explanation. Here you're making absolute statements without any examples.LonelyGreyWolf said:Gameplay? No, it's extremely boring, non-rewarding and repetitive. Controls? No, they're inaccurate. Graphics? No, they're generic, soulless and boring. Music? What music? Atmosphere? It's beyond legendarily bad -- in fact, there's hardly any atmosphere at all. The game is just soulless. Story? It's as if it was written by a twelve year old. Characters? Horrible. Level design? Ridiculously bad. The town is a mess and the brief levels and so stupidly designed that it make you wonder if they even had a level designer.
I don't know how anybody can class this as "soulless" or as having "generic" graphics. For the time, it was stunning, and I imagine even moreso in the HD re-release.
"One more comment like that LonelyGreyWolf, and you'll be RAAWWWWK, counting with your toes!"
The fact you think a wall of text is a convincing argument says a hell of a lot. Quality, not quantity. I'm actually having trouble comprehending your posts, since here you say you don't claim to be making an argument, but then you say you make an excellent argument...? But since you're a fan of absolutist statements with zero further explanation, I'll leave you with one word as to why you're wrong about this game; Hoverboard, bitch. Though I suppose that's two words.EDIT: Oh, and you claim to be "arguing a point" while I don't, which is almost as ironic, considering you post no arguments whereas I made a long wall of text posting more arguments than you can count to on three hands.
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Let hope the Vita collection is J&D1,Jak3 and The Lost Frontier only, the Jak 2 abomination need to be removed from history and get it's source code burned and buried 6 feet under.
Jak 2 was one of the most frustrating and impressive games I played during the PS2 era. Jak 3 felt like an add on, however.