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Experience Jak and Daxter™: The Lost Frontier on PS4 and PS5 enhanced with up-rendering
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solidus12
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Gimme a PS5 Sly Cooper with the same production values as Ratchet Rift Apart
Self_Destructive
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What's up-rendering?
Oh just something I made up
Cornbread78
Member
I keep buying all these damn PS5 versions of PS1/pSP games for 9.99, lol
Neogaf is not allowed to use my made up words
Kilau
Member
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier was announced on April 1, 2009, and was released for PlayStation 2 and PlayStation Portable on November 3, 2009
I remember people thinking it had to be an April Fools' joke that it wasn't announced as a PS3 game.
I remember people thinking it had to be an April Fools' joke that it wasn't announced as a PS3 game.
March Climber
Member
What made it bad?
Jinzo Prime
Member
You can just emulate it on your computer.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Nada. What’s up with you?
TexMex
Member
One or two I get, but if you're buying tons of them, why not just upgrade to Premium?
U n i o n 0015
Member
Never heard of it put that way, but it's increased internal rendering resolution.
Terrible level design, story is bland and I can't even remember it, glitchy, felt like shovelware, in all honesty I can't think of anything it did good, it was such a step down from the main series and couldn't even come close to Daxter, the previous PSP game.
yet_another_alt
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Should have changed your username to rendering first.
And have yet another alt?
yet_another_alt
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marquimvfs
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My cover's blown. I did it. It's all me.
Gotcha!
Edit: Oh, the white theme is burning my eyes.
Dazraell
Member
It's probably coming as well so it looks like it's just a matter of time. Looking at their current output, Sony seems to be re-releasing majority of the titles from PS1 / PSP libraries
StueyDuck
Member
I had never played this on psp back in the day...
I am surprised by just how many modern game sensibilities (that I dislike) are tucked away in this game.
Things like a minimap just filled with icons, unnecessary upgrade or skill trees etc. As a big jak fan of all 3 games I think I'm glad I didn't play this back in the day
Basically modern AAA games are just cheap psp games with graphics
I am surprised by just how many modern game sensibilities (that I dislike) are tucked away in this game.
Things like a minimap just filled with icons, unnecessary upgrade or skill trees etc. As a big jak fan of all 3 games I think I'm glad I didn't play this back in the day
Basically modern AAA games are just cheap psp games with graphics
struggler_guts
Member
Never even heard of this one, thought daxter and the Jak x racing games were the last ones to come out
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
I will buy a PS5 just for this! Reward them for bringing back Jack and Daxter!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Think about rendering the same scene from multiple points by moving the camera frustum by very very tiny increments (jittering) then combining the multiple samples (frames) into one (effectively downsampling AA).
This way you can increase the image quality of the scene, increasing the rendering resolution and downsampling, without affecting the actual rendering pipeline emulation.
HW like PS2 and PSP allowed a lot of down to the metal shenanigans, maths based on where things were located in memory and the size they took, etc… so just increasing buffers size and retro fitting AA may break games and/or make emulation tougher.
Uprendering upends the tea table so to speak, you render the same scene the same way, you just change the camera matrix a tiny bit and re-run the same rendering pipeline. You are transforming more geometry and running the pipeline multiple times which is not free, but the results are good
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Esppiral
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Or any electronic device you own lol.
ShakenG
Member
Yeah, i noticed it in V-Rally. Only used it once but was very handy. Had no idea rewinding was even a thing.
Physiognomonics
Member
When I want to play Jak & Daxter I am playing the real game (the first one) using the still definitive way of playing with the PS3 remaster.
Using the PSP game as a fundation for a cheap PS4 version is insulting. Can't they properly remaster one of their last damn good and original IP?
Using the PSP game as a fundation for a cheap PS4 version is insulting. Can't they properly remaster one of their last damn good and original IP?
Kerotan
Member
I used it a lot in killzone liberation and a few times in resistance retribution. Makes getting a platinum much easier.
ReBurn
Gold Member
You can already buy the PS4 versions of the original Jak & Daxter games and play them on your PS5. Unless they changed the gameplay this particular entry isn't worth the time and money they put into the effort to increase the resolution. It's mediocre at best.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It was a life saver on Legend of Dragoon tbh.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I remember I was all excited to play this game back on PS2, until I turned it on and realized it a) wasn't fun at all, and b) wasn't made by Naughty Dog.
It was horrible.
It was horrible.
Cornbread78
Member
Ownership dammit. Not that we truly "own" our digital games (new laws protectin consumer access can't come soon enough) but I want to play on my own schedule without fear of having to buy it anyway later
Before PS4 Pro was unveiled I said it could be using Up-rendering to take the PS4 games to 4K ( this was before Checkerboard Rendering was announced as the main technique used to reach 4k) and everyone said I was making up words & so on.
Even up to a week ago I was accused of making the word up
Games of Today
Member
Jesus Christ where is Uncharted: Golden Abyss!?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I do not think you need this for PS4 games BC, but if the game is not well built or built for dynamic resolution it requires just HW grunt to pull it off, not a lot of development needed except by the BC team. A patch to increase resolution by each dev is still the cheapest and most effective solution though.Before PS4 Pro was unveiled I said it could be using Up-rendering to take the PS4 games to 4K ( this was before Checkerboard Rendering was announced as the main technique used to reach 4k) and everyone said I was making up words & so on.
Even up to a week ago I was accused of making the word up
Uprendering is really something for PS1/PS2/PSP titles.
It's literally a PSP game running in an emulator using a higher resolution, imagine thinking "up-rendering" is some new novel idea. We've literally had this feature in emulators for 3D games since at least bleemcast on the Dreamcast which rendered PSX games in 4x higher resolution than the native hardware did.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I wouldn't worry about it. All words are made up.Before PS4 Pro was unveiled I said it could be using Up-rendering to take the PS4 games to 4K ( this was before Checkerboard Rendering was announced as the main technique used to reach 4k) and everyone said I was making up words & so on.
Even up to a week ago I was accused of making the word up
Yes it would be more efficient to update PS4 games but doing it at the system level would reach more games .
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
This is the only thing that would have me consider purchasing a PS5 (pro). I’m tired of Sony sitting on excellent IPs. Where is Mark of Kri, SOCOM, Legend of Dragoon, etc.?
hinch7
Member
The only game in the franchise I haven't played due it being on a platform I skipped. Surely they can adapt the controls and port it over without too much hassle. But nope lol, this is SIE.
Also waiting for that BB port/remaster.
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Cornbread78
Member
On the greatest console ever made where it belongs
Katatonic
Member
Emulation is OK, but there are some games that deserve official preservation (not that I think this is one of them).
CamHostage
Member
Well, I'll defend this game a little bit...
Jak & Daxter: The Lost Frontier was made by High Impact Games in 2009. (This was long after Naughty Dog left the series behind; it was the same year that Uncharted 2 came out. However, Naughty Dog was involved: they apparently started this fourth Jak game internally as a second project alongside the first Uncharted, but the A/B studio structure was difficult to maintain going into the PS3 generation and they abandoned this 4th Jak; eventually High Impact took it over.) It came out on PS2 and PSP, but this emulated version is based on the PSP game. (Sony still hedges on PS2 BC for some reason, there's only like 50 PS2 games on PSN even though they've had versions of emulators going back to PS3.) High Impact made the Ratchet & Clank and Secret Agent Clank PSP games.
Lost Frontier is a canon story which continues the story of the series (but doesn't lead to a conclusion which needs to be seen to complete the saga; instead, this game has a slight cliffhanger/hint ending which probably will never be followed up on.) It introduced "Dark Daxter" gameplay where Daxter gets special abilities from Dark Eco (sort of like "Dark Jak" in 2,) there are a host of side-missions to do in addition to the main quest goals, control is tuned (sort of?) to the limitations of the PSP's single-analog control setup (lots of swing poles to connect gaps for jump-puzzles rather than standard platforming leap challenges,) and has a really cool ship combat system with an impressive-in-its-time engine allowing for a ton of ships and shots to fill the air at a time. It returns to a more colorful Jak 1 style of the world but has Jak 2 shooting, and it's less linear than the previous Daxter PSP game.
...But, I still can't recommend it, from what I remember. The jumping control was off from Jak and just never felt right to me, and the PSP camera control was frustrating. (There is apparently a "Enable Right Stick Remap" feature in the Settings which may help.) Also, the combat scenarios were frustratingly padded out rather than balanced, so those cool ship dogfight/cannon shots were cool the first 5 minutes but then would drag on and on and then repeat a little while later.
I really wanted to like this, especially since (like Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time by Sanzaru Games) this new developer taking over was probably going to be the only chance of this series continuing on. Unfortunately, it wasn't the game it needed to be, and the Jak series was no more after it.
Jak & Daxter: The Lost Frontier was made by High Impact Games in 2009. (This was long after Naughty Dog left the series behind; it was the same year that Uncharted 2 came out. However, Naughty Dog was involved: they apparently started this fourth Jak game internally as a second project alongside the first Uncharted, but the A/B studio structure was difficult to maintain going into the PS3 generation and they abandoned this 4th Jak; eventually High Impact took it over.) It came out on PS2 and PSP, but this emulated version is based on the PSP game. (Sony still hedges on PS2 BC for some reason, there's only like 50 PS2 games on PSN even though they've had versions of emulators going back to PS3.) High Impact made the Ratchet & Clank and Secret Agent Clank PSP games.
Lost Frontier is a canon story which continues the story of the series (but doesn't lead to a conclusion which needs to be seen to complete the saga; instead, this game has a slight cliffhanger/hint ending which probably will never be followed up on.) It introduced "Dark Daxter" gameplay where Daxter gets special abilities from Dark Eco (sort of like "Dark Jak" in 2,) there are a host of side-missions to do in addition to the main quest goals, control is tuned (sort of?) to the limitations of the PSP's single-analog control setup (lots of swing poles to connect gaps for jump-puzzles rather than standard platforming leap challenges,) and has a really cool ship combat system with an impressive-in-its-time engine allowing for a ton of ships and shots to fill the air at a time. It returns to a more colorful Jak 1 style of the world but has Jak 2 shooting, and it's less linear than the previous Daxter PSP game.
...But, I still can't recommend it, from what I remember. The jumping control was off from Jak and just never felt right to me, and the PSP camera control was frustrating. (There is apparently a "Enable Right Stick Remap" feature in the Settings which may help.) Also, the combat scenarios were frustratingly padded out rather than balanced, so those cool ship dogfight/cannon shots were cool the first 5 minutes but then would drag on and on and then repeat a little while later.
I really wanted to like this, especially since (like Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time by Sanzaru Games) this new developer taking over was probably going to be the only chance of this series continuing on. Unfortunately, it wasn't the game it needed to be, and the Jak series was no more after it.
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