No, PS3 is more popular than 360 in Italy and every weekly chart is filled by PS3/4 games.
Fun fact: My science teacher in middle school thought my GBA was a "Playstation"
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Italy "Next-Gen" HW Numbers [PS4 210k, XB1 < 150k, Wii U ???] via Ubisoft
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No, PS3 is more popular than 360 in Italy and every weekly chart is filled by PS3/4 games.
Fun fact: My science teacher in middle school thought my GBA was a "Playstation"
Sickboy007
Member
I'd be curious to see LTD numbers of the PS3 vs the PS2. The market kinda fell off a cliff after the crisis (and being the oldest country in Europe doesn't help), I think even Spain with a smaller population has higher numbers.
Yeah, Playstation and Game Boy were basically the only two words to describe videogames until a few years ago. Now, it's Playstation, Xbox or Nintendo. They can exchange based on the children's tastes.
There's still a big social stigma on those playing games here, especially on dedicated systems. Meanwhile primary school kids usually have iPhones.
Italy is a totally fucked up place anyway.
w1gglyjones
Member
Yeah, here every system went from being a "Nintendo" in the nineties to being a "Playstation" from 2000 onwards, at least as far as parents and medias are concerned.
Consoles have already been available in China since forever.
The answer is zero
Dragonborn
Member
They tried with the 360 and they were able to carve out a good install base in Europe. MS just decided to piss away what they built up with the X1. Why? I'll never know
Mattrick being a complete tool would be my answer.
Some European numbers.
Now imagine what tier 2 countries like Belgium or Netherlands will do for XBO...
Now imagine what tier 2 countries like Belgium or Netherlands will do for XBO...
SELL released their second annual L'essentiel du Jeu Video report last month, which had some European GFK numbers (Gen 8) for the first five months of the year.
There's a lot more interesting data in the report, including European gaming/purchasing behaviours and an in-dept overview of the French gaming market
And they're expecting the PS4 to get close to the PS3 numbers in around 12 months from launch. Not bad.
You people complaining about sales number must understand that we in glorious Europe don't really or rather can't appreciate such a plebeian pass time as console gaming and as a result of not living around the TV we don't get befuddled by Adds trying to fool us.
We drink fancy wine, we eat smelly expensive cheeses and when we insult you we don't "fuck your mother" we "make love to your mother" we pira... Play on pc instead and sit upon our throne of gold as we look down on you lesser beings.
Or you know, other reasons.
We drink fancy wine, we eat smelly expensive cheeses and when we insult you we don't "fuck your mother" we "make love to your mother" we pira... Play on pc instead and sit upon our throne of gold as we look down on you lesser beings.
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Or you know, other reasons.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
That's weird, I thought it was a stereotype that Italian men live with their parents well into adulthood, seems like the perfect demographic to also play games
Yeah, but this is not the almost the 4:1 expected for PS4-XBO.
Wasn't that from Nintendo's "projection"?
honestly speaking, italy is LeagueOfLegendsLand.
I'm ninety-percent sure that there's more LoL players than 7th gen console owners.
Also, PS2 was completely and utterly everywhere, but when PS3 launched at that ridicolous pricepoint, and Microsoft isn't exactly well-liked here... welp.
I'm ninety-percent sure that there's more LoL players than 7th gen console owners.
Also, PS2 was completely and utterly everywhere, but when PS3 launched at that ridicolous pricepoint, and Microsoft isn't exactly well-liked here... welp.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Ubisoft did not care enough to bother
I understand you wanted Italy next-gen hardware sales topic but if you had no info for it, it becomes a target to get off-topic so I was just asking why it was even needed.
there is knowing a thing exist, and there is caring about it. It is not part of the conversation in EU right now
MilitanT07
Unconfirmed Member
Dat logic. Because Microsoft goal is to beat PS4 and not make profit?
SwiftDeath
Member
Yeah maybe the title should be updated then. I didn't mean to confuse people. Just tried to put as much information in the title but I guess it's unneeded
Well, one of their goals was 40% of German market share...
Smiles and Cries
Member
I'm not shocked by the PS4 numbers. I still think they need more software they could do much better with some major titles
Destiny and GTAV and a few indie titles is all I have to focus on this holiday on PS4
not sure if I'll spend money on Ubisoft games this year
Destiny and GTAV and a few indie titles is all I have to focus on this holiday on PS4
not sure if I'll spend money on Ubisoft games this year
Oswen
Member
That's weird, I thought it was a stereotype that Italian men live with their parents well into adulthood, seems like the perfect demographic to also play games
Not so much.
That happens because it's very difficult to live on your own in Italy, it's a combination of high unemployment rate, extremely low average salaries compared to other countries and very high taxes and costs on just about anything.
Most of that demographic doesn't care about games anyway, they'll just go to the local bar and discuss about a football match in their free time.
Numbers are about right for Italy anyway, there may be 60mil people but most of them are pretty old and culturally wise gaming is still bad for most people: it's either a thing for children or something that turns you into a killer.
Sony has always been dominant, every console is a "playstation" and the brand really sells on name alone while there are mixed feelings about Microsoft and Nintendo is "for kids".
Handhelds aren't liked that much and 3DS and Vita are seen mostly as fancy DSs and PSPs (read
rehistoric things) even by children, trying to play one in public will attract very odd looks and at best a "don't you have a phone?" comment.My 6 years old niece, for example, doesn't know who Pikachu is but regularly plays with a cheap Android tablet and knows angry birds and co well.
I wanted to gift her a 2DS with X or Y or the upcoming ORAS but her mom didn't agree because "then we'd have to buy games while the tablet has free ones".
PC gaming seems to be on the rise however, STEAM is becoming extremely popular and everyone seems to be playing MOBAs.
The problem is that, I fear, MS isn't making profit. If the forecast till December 31st is 150,000 units for Xbox One, it means that, so far, it sold faaaaar below PS4 and, above all, probably not that healthy at all. I wouldn't be surprised in knowing Wii U is doing on par with MS console this year.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
How much money does an italian have after taxes, food and rent in rome and milano? The answer is, not much, not much at all
aries_71
Junior Member
Make no mistake. With those numbers, and if the tendency continues, there won't be a next-gen for Microsoft.
I've been saying the same thing for a while but all I get is comments claiming I'm insane or trolling. I can't see any more than 4.5m Xbox Ones in homes worldwide at the moment. The console has been an unmitigated flop in Europe so far and it's only been doing 'okay' in the States. If Microsoft don't do something, and do something soon, the Xbox One is going to be in a whole heap of trouble.
The NPD figures for June are going to be very interesting.
Latest figures for France say Gen8 at 1,000,000 total at the end of May 2014, including 340,000 Wii U.
SwiftDeath
Member
That leaves 294,000 unaccounted for between PS4 and XB1
Using the same ratio between PS4 and XB1 as the 2013 YTD [which is unlikely to be accurate though as XB1 probably did much better relative to PS4 in France in the first couple of months] PS4 France LTD would be 433,000, and XB1 France LTD would be 227,000 [as of end of May 2014]
I imagine it probably swings a bit more in PS4's favor so maybe more like 450,000 PS4 versus 210,000 XB1?
That's all saddening true, and my niece has a tablet as well, my brother didn't want to shell out for the 3DS/2DS. I hate this place, and not due to gaming's situation only. What a total disaster we are.
LiquidSolid
Member
That's been blatantly obvious since well before launch. Microsoft focused almost entirely on the US and UK during the last few years of the 360's life, ignoring everyone else, and their sales continued to shrink in those countries as a result. So with no momentum at all and all the other factors taken into account (DRM, Kinect, price, etc.), you'd have to be delusional to seriously think the Xbone would even do as well as the 360 in those countries.
aries_71
Junior Member
I am curious. I'm a European Xbox owner (and Playstation too, for that matter). In what sense did Microsoft focused on the US, ignoring everything else? I keep hearing this idea and I don't quite see the reasoning.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Heavy online gaming, Kinect language, US TV contents only. I believe many more reasons but I can't think of right now.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I feel the US TV complaint isn't entirely fair as it's not always up to MS if they can bring certain features to other countries.
The rest I agree on, but the TV complaint has never really struck me as being a fair one.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I don't give a damn about how fair, but there are complaints about it or MS too focus in US TV market.
But you are right about content that some can't be work on other countries. Still it would recommend anyone drop all TV on the system if you can't get fair rent of the world.
ethomaz
Banned
But it is a feature on the console that you can't use outside US... that means focus in US instead others places.
aries_71
Junior Member
I can't agree. The Europeans I know like their online COD as much as anybody from Minnesota, Kinnect is a nice to have kit but nobody's fault that we in Europe have a couple billions languages (some of them with just a couple of native speakers), and the TV depends on the providers. In addition to that, is not like Sony is providing better spoken language recognition and TV support in Europe, right?
iceatcs
Junior Member
Stop defending. You are the one ask for why, and nothing to do with Sony or how popular online.
Remember there isn't only one pure reason of why Xbox not doing well in EU. Just multi-reasons.
aries_71
Junior Member
Bollocks, junior, you are not giving coherent reasons. Xbox is not doing well in Europe because of two reasons that don't have anything to do with the "US focus" bullshit: launch price tag and brand recognition.
Storm Kyleis
Member
Unfortunately, this is accurate.Most of that demographic doesn't care about games anyway, they'll just go to the local bar and discuss about a football match in their free time.
Numbers are about right for Italy anyway, there may be 60mil people but most of them are pretty old and culturally wise gaming is still bad for most people: it's either a thing for children or something that turns you into a killer.
Sony has always been dominant, every console is a "playstation" and the brand really sells on name alone while there are mixed feelings about Microsoft and Nintendo is "for kids".
Handhelds aren't liked that much and 3DS and Vita are seen mostly as fancy DSs and PSPs (read
I'm pretty sure Nintendo handhelds are still popular, though. If you look at the PAL Charts of the next few weeks Tomodachi Life and Inazuma Eleven have been doing great, and titles like Pokémon, Mario Kart and Animal Crossing always sell a lot.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Oh grow up.
Such as asshole person I ever met in this forum. You are also not giving coherent reasons too. The price Xbox One is cheaper than PS4 in some places, and some have more Xbox recognition because of intensely marketing advert.
My 8678th post in the Neogaf.
lol There's a good Chance Microsoft is getting Wii U'd in North America lol. It's gonna be an interesting NPD for June.
aries_71
Junior Member
Not in the Europe that I know, where Playstation is synonym with gaming console and Nintendo to handheld. And as far as prices, just a big no too, PS4 has been consistently cheaper since day one. Still waiting for this "US focus" stigma to be explained.
Agree with other posters to the fact that gaming, in most of Europe, is not seen as a valid adult Hobbie.