Dubbedinenglish
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alr1ghtstart said:
I actually think that has to do with MotherH being promoted to Producer. Having someone as involved with the community as he is as the lead QA guy did wonders.
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I actually think that has to do with MotherH being promoted to Producer. Having someone as involved with the community as he is as the lead QA guy did wonders.
TheRagnCajun
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I wish you could shoot and destory those spawn point devices, you can do it to turrets and ammo caches so I don't see why not.
Dubbedinenglish said:
Mostly but not quite. Was in a few games where the enemies were all Tacticians and rocket launchers in Salamun Market. They focused on TSPs but still lost 3-4 in the end. Body count, Assassinations, and S&R are not quite TSP focused. They still need to be careful of Infiltrators, Marksmen, Engineers and Medics.
Spawn grenades need to be gimped to prevent breaking the game. Too many people don't know how to use it properly.
Being the defendent is already easier since you can camp. I don't see why they need to focus explicitly on defensive powers and then add Assault Class and Spawn Grenade to turn every game potentially into a clusterf*ck.
In KZ3, you face powerful defenders, but you yourself is also a supersoldier. When the team and conditions are right, you have a better chance to penetrate through the defense.
Same can be said for TSPs. They are all dynamic depending on how you play the game. Even if a mission is "won", sometimes, I see teammates already predicting the next potential objectives and move towards them before the current round ends.
user friendly
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I was going to post this yesterday. Radec's voice was much better.JB1981 said:
TrAcEr_x90
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man the complaining and whining in this thread is never ending.....
I have stuck with operations pretty exclusively because it seems it does a good job at focusing players towards objectives and teamwork.
I was staying away from warzone but this weekend I played with a friend who just go the game and we had a blast all of sunday playing warzone. I think now the servers have more people who know whats what and how to win. There were alot of close matches making for an intense experience. It sucks when you first start playing and you get put on a team that does not have engineers or tacticians doing what they need to. But when your in a server where both teams know whats up, all the maps work just fine if you ask me.
Got through about half of the single player too, story jumps all over the place, but the battles are fun and alot more varied this time. I do feel at tiems KZ2 looked better, but texture wise KZ3 is astounding.
I have stuck with operations pretty exclusively because it seems it does a good job at focusing players towards objectives and teamwork.
I was staying away from warzone but this weekend I played with a friend who just go the game and we had a blast all of sunday playing warzone. I think now the servers have more people who know whats what and how to win. There were alot of close matches making for an intense experience. It sucks when you first start playing and you get put on a team that does not have engineers or tacticians doing what they need to. But when your in a server where both teams know whats up, all the maps work just fine if you ask me.
Got through about half of the single player too, story jumps all over the place, but the battles are fun and alot more varied this time. I do feel at tiems KZ2 looked better, but texture wise KZ3 is astounding.
Dibbz said:
it would be stupid to do this...but I think they did it anyway and they are paying the price now. Why would you not use the features which were working really well and just needed improvements instead of reinventing the whole wheel again is beyond me and a bad decision.
By the way looks like patch 1.0.7 is ready for deployment very soon according to MotherH.
ZephyrFate
Banned
Honestly these people need to STFU, get the Move, get the Sharpshooter, and play the most fun multiplayer you can find in 2011.NameIess said:
H_Prestige
Banned
Gvaz said:
Yeah, as bad as this MP is, Crysis 2 is simply a giant POS. Now THAT is a true CoD knockoff. KZ3 easily outclasses it.
A.R.K said:
I think "everything" has been touched to make room for better graphics (split-screen + 3D + larger levels), more responsive controls and a tighter low level network performance. The old code may be too difficult to change.
H_Prestige said:
IMHO, the MP mode is fine. They "only" needed to fix the MTU bug, add custom games, and fix matchmaking issues that was inherited from KZ2. I see they are already adding new map variety.
RedRedSuit
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patsu said:
For free?
Because if you mean the DLC, then that's neither here nor there unless everyone or nearly everyone has it.
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Massa said:
Awesomesauce.
It's a shame that the only really interesting thing of the storyline was the conflict between Stahl and Orlock.
Really, Guerrilla. There needs to be more of this in KZ4. Gameplay is good enough, but storyline is essential for SP.
Massa said:
I wish GG could translate this kind of stuff in their KZ games. But unfortunately we are far from it. GG should just do the next KZ on PS4 and take their sweet time for a well integrated amazing story with their amazing tech. But they really need some new blood for story writing and direction.
StealthGoblin
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Massa said:
Why release that now? Would have been decent before launch.
That also reminds me how they failed to get in more of the history of Helghan and Helghan family life into KZ3.
Sad face.
MalboroRed
Banned
Massa said:
Vektan scum! All of them!
StealthGoblin
Banned
moonspeak said:
I didn't even think about that. WTF.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Massa said:
Ha they even got the Helghast medical outfit from the KZ1 intro!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M8KiHO8qYE
Foliorum Viridum
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So I'm about hour in to this game now, having just
, and so far I'm enjoying it a lot more than Killzone 2 which I thought was utter shit.
- I like that the game still feels "weighty" but the input is lag is gone. I still don't think FPS' feel good on the PS3 controller, but I'm not wrestling the controls like I did in KZ2.
- So far I feel that the game is flowing a lot better too. The story/dialogue is complete garbage, but I'm feeling more compelled to do one more level, whereas they seemed to drag in KZ2.
- Too much on-rails/vehicle sections so far. They're not fun and already they've been too frequent. I hope they become less common as the game progresses.
- It does look very nice. It's not as striking as a game like Uncharted 2, but it's hard to deny the tech they've squeezed into the game is incredibly impressive. I'd still argue the environments are slightly bland, but so far I've only played in a nuked city so that's not a fair comment at this point. Besides, they did do the look of a destroyed city really well, even if there were too many waist high barriers in my way.
I'm glad I'm renting it because I certainly don't think this is the gold standard FPS exclusive that Sony has been looking for, but the fact I'm enjoying it when playing KZ2 was a chore says a lot.
left that annoying dude behind in the evac
- I like that the game still feels "weighty" but the input is lag is gone. I still don't think FPS' feel good on the PS3 controller, but I'm not wrestling the controls like I did in KZ2.
- So far I feel that the game is flowing a lot better too. The story/dialogue is complete garbage, but I'm feeling more compelled to do one more level, whereas they seemed to drag in KZ2.
- Too much on-rails/vehicle sections so far. They're not fun and already they've been too frequent. I hope they become less common as the game progresses.
- It does look very nice. It's not as striking as a game like Uncharted 2, but it's hard to deny the tech they've squeezed into the game is incredibly impressive. I'd still argue the environments are slightly bland, but so far I've only played in a nuked city so that's not a fair comment at this point. Besides, they did do the look of a destroyed city really well, even if there were too many waist high barriers in my way.
I'm glad I'm renting it because I certainly don't think this is the gold standard FPS exclusive that Sony has been looking for, but the fact I'm enjoying it when playing KZ2 was a chore says a lot.
The Interrobanger
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Gonna trade this in for Crysis 2 today. I tried playing some more last night but I just couldn't do it, it's like pulling teeth.
Call me when they remake Killzone 2.
Call me when they remake Killzone 2.
staticneuron
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moonspeak said:
Chances are there is probably terraform tech. It is implied that terraforming wasn't need for planet Gyre, which means they had this type of tech before first extrasolar war. There is 140 years between the events of that video and the start of KZ2. Also if you read the timeline, the helghan soldiers do not "need" the mask but wear it because of cultural identity. If you think about it, if all humans were supposed to die because of the conditions within 6 months, how would the children be able to endure it to pass the resistances on to the next generation?
RedRedSuit
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Pro-tip:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PS3-PS2-Control...eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ht_1904wt_1141
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001IAOEXU/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Trust me on this.
Total cost: <$10.
BattleMonkey
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moonspeak said:
The Helghan environment has improved with technology. The Helghans mostly where the masks as simply a symbol of their past.
TacticalFox88
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What the fuck?! That's awesome as shit! Why the fuck couldn't they put this in this terrible mess of a story?! WHY!Massa said:
Wow, some of the teams are pretty good now. It's quite common for people to come back from behind today. The losses were also pretty close. The tally could be 6-1 or 5-2, but each round was very close. Victory was within our reach, but most of the time, we only slipped at the last minute. 8^(
Grinchy
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I got to play for a few hours with bot matches and MP, all with the Sharpshooter. At first, the sharpshooter was pissing me off and I was ready to sell it back. But I gave it some time, just like I had to do with MAG when I first learned to use Move to play FPS. After a while, it started feeling a little better.
My arms and hands did begin to ache, but after hours of testing/tweaking, I think I've found a good sitting position with the right settings to make it work...and it really works.
I think where I see an advantage with the sharpshooter is specifically in the way that the Move controller is kept level at all times. When you just hold a Move with your hand, it's much easier (imo) to get off center. If you can get the bounding box settings and turn speed settings to feel right for how much you personally feel comfortable swiveling your arms, it seems like it's less physical work using the gun.
Also, it feels much more intuitive to me when it comes to pointing than just holding the Move in one hand. Without the sharpshooter, it just kinda feels like I'm using the Move controller to move the reticule around the screen, but with sharpshooter I feel like I'm aiming at the screen. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but it translated to me jumping right into online, not great at online FPS, and I was able to immediately hold my own (was first place on my team a couple times in a row).
My arms and hands did begin to ache, but after hours of testing/tweaking, I think I've found a good sitting position with the right settings to make it work...and it really works.
I think where I see an advantage with the sharpshooter is specifically in the way that the Move controller is kept level at all times. When you just hold a Move with your hand, it's much easier (imo) to get off center. If you can get the bounding box settings and turn speed settings to feel right for how much you personally feel comfortable swiveling your arms, it seems like it's less physical work using the gun.
Also, it feels much more intuitive to me when it comes to pointing than just holding the Move in one hand. Without the sharpshooter, it just kinda feels like I'm using the Move controller to move the reticule around the screen, but with sharpshooter I feel like I'm aiming at the screen. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but it translated to me jumping right into online, not great at online FPS, and I was able to immediately hold my own (was first place on my team a couple times in a row).
Posted this in another thread, would like to here KZ gaf's thoughts:
I know this may not be the place, but I know I could have done a better job at showing the utter hopelessness and forsaken feeling that the ISA had. Scenes of them burying their own, coming upon tortured and mutilated comrades, numerous suicides, men breaking. I mean really just flat out breaking. Like the scene where the HGH are messing with that guy with their new gun. He starts crying and yells "Kill me! Just fucking do it already I don't want to live!" They laugh and continue to torment him. At some point through torturing and humiliating him, he grabs one of their guns, and instead of killing them, just shoots himself. That shit is dark and sad and would have made the plot 10x better.
I know this may not be the place, but I know I could have done a better job at showing the utter hopelessness and forsaken feeling that the ISA had. Scenes of them burying their own, coming upon tortured and mutilated comrades, numerous suicides, men breaking. I mean really just flat out breaking. Like the scene where the HGH are messing with that guy with their new gun. He starts crying and yells "Kill me! Just fucking do it already I don't want to live!" They laugh and continue to torment him. At some point through torturing and humiliating him, he grabs one of their guns, and instead of killing them, just shoots himself. That shit is dark and sad and would have made the plot 10x better.
It usually takes a few iterations to appeal to a different crowd and deepen the relationship.
In any case, I'm not sure if it's really going after the CoD crowd. They just made the controls more responsive. I think KZ3 is a pretty complex game (if you want to win). I noticed that GAF didn't quite like complex shooters like MAG too. You need to think fast and play very tactically (e.g., When to switch to Tactician, which route to take, how to take TSPs back, etc.). It's hardwork ! ^_^
In any case, I'm not sure if it's really going after the CoD crowd. They just made the controls more responsive. I think KZ3 is a pretty complex game (if you want to win). I noticed that GAF didn't quite like complex shooters like MAG too. You need to think fast and play very tactically (e.g., When to switch to Tactician, which route to take, how to take TSPs back, etc.). It's hardwork ! ^_^
Rikyfree said:
I think it has a lot to do with the change of writter. Maybe Killzone 2 had a campaign that slogged a bit (for some people), but in retrospect it was pretty well written, especially in the 'big moments' of the story arch. The feeling of opression in the campaign is very well realized, where as Killzone 3 feels like 'Kill the glowing eyed badguys!'. Although they did attempt to include decent moments, such as Narville trying to get Hooper to eat, but the script treatment did feel exactly what it was, namely a Hollywood writter who is not intimately familiar nor passionate about the source material, applying a Hollywood treatment to the Killzone universe
BattleMonkey
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YoungHav said:
Doubt it would have mattered, the reviews were still good and frankly KZ just never sold that amazingly well. KZ2 likely never even reached much more than 1.5 mil . Third game in the series was not going to magically turn the franchise around, and the shooter market just grows more and more saturated.
Zen said:
Atmosphere has little to do with writing. KZ2 simply lacked any real story line and what it had could have been written by anyone as it was one of the most straight forward storylines that it made COD seem complex with it's story telling. KZ2 lacked writing. KZ3 had bad writing. KZ2 simply had it's own unique style.
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Really, the leaderboards for KZ3 shows it's hasn't even hit 800k yet. KZ2 is alsmot at 2.7mill. I know it's still early and these figures aren't very accurate but I doubt KZ3 will pass KZ2 in sales, deservedly so.Massa said:
Still so bitter.
This patch will probably be my last session with this game.
BattleMonkey
Member
JB1981 said:
Well yea I think they had lot of good ideas but sloppy implementation and I think it's obvious that some aspects were rushed/cut since theres many abrupt transitions. It's not really that bad of a story though especially compared to the rest of the FPS market which is mostly all crap.
KZ1 though I think was really well done
It may actually mean GG needs to simplify their games (i.e., more like CoD ! ^_^) because it seems that some of us don't like complex tactics in shooters. KZ3 is simply not like CoD today.
I remember KZ2 sold on the initial visual experience but there was a lot of complains about the controls and narrow field of vision. Its current sales number also include the price drop (since it reached platinum).
If you really want to compare KZ2 and KZ3 sales performance, you should compare them in the same lifecycle (before the price drop !).
I remember KZ2 sold on the initial visual experience but there was a lot of complains about the controls and narrow field of vision. Its current sales number also include the price drop (since it reached platinum).
If you really want to compare KZ2 and KZ3 sales performance, you should compare them in the same lifecycle (before the price drop !).