GhostWriter24
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Life in Prison? That's fucked up.
Wat?
Life in Prison? That's fucked up.
So you are ok with say, a 38 week old baby being aborted? Seems pretty hard line there.
Sorry, I posted and left for class. Why do people bring up the 38 week abortion? Where does this actually happen legally in the US without being a medical necessity?
GAFers arguing about legal definitions and such doesn't mean we think this is setting legal precedent.
It's not an option. I mentioned it because you said that you don't factor development or viability into your opinion. It's not something that happens now, but as far as I can follow your logic you would not have an issue with it, is that the case?
Now I consider it a serious crime (as I am generally against abortion), however, how can one be charged with murder when if the mother did it, it would not be murder? Note that I am saying murder here, since obviously he needs to be charged with at least something for faking the pills.
If abortion is legel where this happened then the guy shouldn't be charged with murder, because this means every women who does abortion is also commiting murder. Charge with him assault instead.
It's murder when the pregnancy is a threat to the mother's health?Simplest way to look at it is Abortion is state sanctioned murder. The act of this man forcing it on an unwilling person makes it no longer state sanctioned and as such plain murder.
Or there is another way to describe this. murder doesn't have to be the default option.But it directly cause the dead of the child to be . I mean even if you are a hardcore pro-Choice person and you see fetuses with the same value as a gallbladder, this situation goes beyond abortion. This was a murder in my opinion, Abortion was the method.
Anyway, unless the baby was over the state's limit for abortions, I don't see how he can be charged for murder. Now the forging his Father's signature and mislabeling medication? That should see some jail time. That's a crime.
If she was planning to keep the baby, then he most certainly should be charged with murder. What a piece of shit.
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally pro-choice. But like the article indicated, she was tricked.
A eye for a eye leaves the whole world blind.
So abortion is murder now?
As shitty as a thing this is. We cannot have double standards on when abortion is or isn't murder. While wanting justice for this bastard would feel good, considering this murder will only add fuel to the pro-lifer movement.
I'm not exactly sure what crime should be charged here. Certainly not murder. Destruction of property?
I doubt fathers will ever get legal rights regarding foetuses -even though half the genetic material is theirs. When a mother terminates his child-to-be, with him wanting the child, he has to put up or shut up. The fact that it affects her health more than his, allows me to at least tip the balance in her favour.
So women are allowed to murder their unborn babies, but men aren't?
Cognitive dissonance for pro-choice campaigners.
Though arguably, the father of the child-to-be terminated the foetus rather than murdered the unborn child.
Pro-choice has never been about pro-abortion, so it was always campaigned as difficult terrain to walk over.
I doubt fathers will ever get legal rights regarding foetuses -even though half the genetic material is theirs. When a mother terminates his child-to-be, with him wanting the child, he has to put up or shut up. The fact that it affects her health more than his, allows me to at least tip the balance in her favour.
Justice is a difficult thing. I feel this is murder though. In the traditional child destruction sense.
Well, bearing 100% of the burden of the actual pregnancy and birthing will do that.
Yeah. And this is a REAL SLIPPERY SLOPE. Not those dumb ones people used to ban gay marriage. To have this be considered murder would be bad news for all women who want a choice.Some people aren't thinking of the precedent which could be set by successfully charging someone with murder over what's technically an abortion. It's a slippery slope. Unless you're going to charge women with murder now for doing the same thing, because we can't have double standards like this. Ideally he should be charged and punished severely for the act of deception, but not with murder as that potentially paves the way for abortion being sentenced as murder in circumstances in which we believe it is a woman's right to choose.
Sure, but why similar to murder charges? Because he's taking away a child's life?We should have a crime of inducing an abortion without consent and have very serious penalties for it, similar to murder charges.
As for this case, hard one.
Sure, but why similar to murder charges? Because he's taking away a child's life?
Because the fetus has a life?
That must be protected?
Some people aren't thinking of the precedent which could be set by successfully charging someone with murder over what's technically an abortion. It's a slippery slope. Unless you're going to charge women with murder now for doing the same thing, because we can't have double standards like this. Ideally he should be charged and punished severely for the act of deception, but not with murder as that potentially paves the way for abortion being sentenced as murder in circumstances in which we believe it is a woman's right to choose.
Because the damage to one of the parties is huge (the mother to be). Not because of any equivalency of the crime itself, but equivalencey of seriousness. You may not have murdered anyone, but you still took away someones child.
Damage is big but there is no equivelance of seriousness because the damage in murder is even bigger. People lose a person dear to them and also the person it self suffers from a loss of its won life, while in this case its the fetus.
Late term (illegal, foreceful) abortions should have different treatment since then we do assign different value to the fetus.
I disagree. Having been deprived of loved ones, it is pretty fucking significant. Significant enough to warrant a long jail sentence to me. Is it as big a crime as murder? Probably not. But that is pretty irrelevant, lots of things that are not as big a crime as murder have significant sentences associated with them. The reason for that is that there is only so much jail you can impose on someone, and the threshold for deserving a lot of jail is a lot lower than murder.
I agree that it is pretty fucking significant. I am saying murder is worse because in addition to that we also count the person it self which loses its own life. It is not a disagreement over it being significant and needing appropriate punishment, just putting it bellow murder.
9 months pregnancy vs 18 years child support and if the baby is aborted , she doesnt have any pregnancy burden
If you can't handle the consequences of your actions you shouldn't be taking risks.
If something's not considered a human being, then you can't murder it.
Can you murder someone who hasn't been born yet?
If something's not considered a human being, then you can't murder it.
Wouldn't that also be an argument that abortion should be illegal overall?
That's a dodge if I've ever seen one. You're discussing what constitutes murder and why? So the question posed is asking why one action is murder and another isn't, and if the latter is only state sanctioned murder, then why is it justifiable.Not really a valid one, because abortion isn't illegal, while forcing someone to get an abortion against their will is.
If it wasn't for the guy, it would have been a human being no?
That's the Nazi line of logic. The jews were subhuman rats etc. so it was ok to kill them.
Human Life is human life. You can debate the merits of that life or its existence but doesn't make it less human