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Good answer.Saitou said:Advance Wars and Fire Emblem are neither SRPGs or TBSs.
They are puzzle games.
No really. I'm super cereal.
Good answer.Saitou said:Advance Wars and Fire Emblem are neither SRPGs or TBSs.
They are puzzle games.
No really. I'm super cereal.
JoshuaJSlone said:Based on the latest Media Create numbers...
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 36.7 / 63.3, bringing total shares to 70.6 / 29.4. At this week's rates, PSP catches up to DS in 486.9 weeks (September 24, 2017). If DS stopped selling and PSP continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 204.3 weeks (April 25, 2012).
Dragona Akehi said:Damn, I was wondering how the thread exploded.
Sage00 said:PS3 in terms of GCN is the most exciting battle this gen so far, the only one that looks remotely "close". Could Solid Snake finally put a bullet in the neck of Gamecube's ghost?
Gaborn said:No, the most exciting battle is when the PS3 will catch the Wii's first year sales.
indie85 said:PSP - 64,449 | 70,536 | 1,819,072
NDS - 37,404 | 34,905 | 1,415,561
Thats how.
Who cares, it will sell well everywhere else if japan is too busy with wiifit to care about a decent game.
Now this is what I call competition. Place your bets gentlemen!Vinci said:I'm finding the Wii Fit vs. PS3 battle exhilarating myself.
kswiston said:A year ago, it looked like the PSP was heading for an eventual 8-9M LTD. Now I'd say that the PSP has a decent chance at catching (or at least coming close to) the GBA's 16.8M LTD.
Of course, next to the DS's potential 30M LTD, the PSP is always going to look worse off (hardware wise) than it really is in Japan.
-WindYoshi- said:Valkryia Chronicles.
Very sad... though it would of lacked the oomph, it should have been made for the Wii.
Would have done slightly better at the least.
Paracelsus said:I prefer it this way.
Quality >>> Sales.
I'd actually really like to see this graph on a weekly basis.Sage00 said:PS3 in terms of GCN is the most exciting battle this gen so far, the only one that looks remotely "close". Could Solid Snake finally put a bullet in the neck of Gamecube's ghost?
Sage00 said:Could Solid Snake finally put a bullet in the neck of Gamecube's ghost?
I wouldn't be so sure. But otoh production would have been a bit on the cheaper side.-WindYoshi- said:Valkryia Chronicles.
Very sad... though it would of lacked the oomph, it should have been made for the Wii.
Would have done slightly better at the least.
No sales = No more quality games thoughParacelsus said:I prefer it this way.
Quality >>> Sales.
Vinci said:I'm finding the Wii Fit vs. PS3 battle exhilarating myself.
Yes. I think this is the most interesting thing in Japanese sales threads at the moment. Though, PS3 is obviously at a disadvantage, representing the old and that which the Japanese no longer want, but still, it's an interesting fight.Vinci said:I'm finding the Wii Fit vs. PS3 battle exhilarating myself.
As far as i know the PSP was released about 1 week later than the DS in Japan so i would say that these 2 systems were pretty much released simultaneously (if you're refering to the DS and the PSP). But as i wrote earlier, it all depends on how you define "dominating" If you mean the LTD, if you mean weekly and/or monthly sales, if you only mean hardware, if you only mean software or if you mean hardware and software combined. The stuff that was quoted earlier was the hardware sales only. JoshuaJSlone's comparison carts compares the different systems on a weekly basis if i'm not mistaken, thats why i took into account how the hardware sales is doing at the moment. PSP is the best selling system in Japan so far this year. If people want to call that dominating or not, thats up to each personGaborn said:Sure, but I think that when you're looking at Joshua's chart's you're seeing that sales don't exist in a vacuum. You're not seeing two simultaneously released consoles, you're seeing two consoles, one of whom has in two years crushed the PS2's LTD, and another that is getting a boost NOW, 13 million units behind. It's equivalent to arguing the PS3 is the new king of Japan compared to the PS2 (if the Wii/DS/PSP didn't exist) because it's selling better than the PS2 TODAY. When a more relevant measure is what it's doing relative to the PS2 or other consoles at a similar point in their lifecycles. And the same is true of the PSP. Is it selling well now? Ok, sure, but it's still not dominant for this time in it's lifecycle.
jarrod said:KoR's basically guaranteed to outsell Vesperia in every market already... I don't think it'll outsell Symphonia anywhere though honestly. Not only is it a spinoff, but the series has lost a lot of steam with the endless milking and schitzo platform selection since Symphonia's release.
test_account said:As far as i know the PSP was released about 1 week later than the DS in Japan so i would say that these 2 systems were pretty much released simultaneously (if you're refering to the DS and the PSP). But as i wrote earlier, it all depends on how you define "dominating" If you mean the LTD, if you mean weekly and/or monthly sales, if you only mean hardware, if you only mean software or if you mean hardware and software combined. The stuff that was quoted earlier was the hardware sales only. JoshuaJSlone's comparison carts compares the different systems on a weekly basis if i'm not mistaken, thats why i took into account how the hardware sales is doing at the moment. PSP is the best selling system in Japan so far this year. If people want to call that dominating or not, thats up to each person
Just alittle side note, the DS is actually about 3.5 years old in Japan now. Its about 2 years since the DS Lite was launched (i guess maybe that is what you ment?), but afaik the DS sold about 6 million units before the DS Lite was launched so it did sell quite some units before the DS Lite were launched. About "crushed the PS2 LTD", that can be discussed in my opinion. At the moment the DS LTD has a lead on about 1.44 million over the PS2's LTD. Looking at the pure numbers and taken the time frame into account, the DS is no doubt the winner of preformance, its no doubt about that. However, one system is a "home" console (maybe usually 1 unit per household) while the other is a portable system where maybe several of units excist per household. Nevertheless, its an amazing preformance by the DS, no doubt about that, but i'm just saying that there are some differences between the 2 systems so it can be discussed in my opinion
Yep, the DS software might be the one that does it the best of them all. I wonder which system between DS and PS2 that has most released software. What do you mean with the last thing you said there by the way, that the DS has sold most software combined compared to any other systems?BishopLamont said:Hardware aside, the DS dominates software sales even more so then the PS2 did in it's primetime. Barring significant software launch weeks, I doubt the DS has ever sold less software then any console/handheld in any week since the DS Lite launched.
Rushing the PS4 would be stupid. The GameCube was a failure and Nintendo scrapped the N5 plans they had for 2004(thankfully). They should just wait it out, try to make a small profit since the PS3 was a huge investment. Another Playstation in two years would cripple Sony.The Experiment said:Sony fucked up their chances with the PS3. It will get sales spurts here and there but for the most part, it will have to duke it out with the Xbox 360 or like in the US, settle for a respectable third place. Their best chances is to keep the PS3 to where soon they can make a profit off of each system sold so their losses won't be totally disastrous.
I have no doubt they are going to rush to get the PlayStation 4 out, much like Microsoft did with the 360.
PSP is getting a second wind but I doubt it will materialize into anything significant. Once Monster Hunter G2 has run its course, it will be back to the sales dregs with 360 and PS3.
test_account said:Yep, the DS software might be the one that does it the best of them all. I wonder which system between DS and PS2 that has most released software.
c platform
1541 PS2
358 DS
354 GBA
185 PSP
144 GCN
98 X360
75 Wii
54 PS3
54 Xbox
c platform
569 PS2
Bandai Namco tries to get more money by "expanding" the series. They got the semi-independent Tales Studio with a stable staff with little to no fluctuation reliably churning out new major games about every year at low budget with reliable high sales. They try to partake with internal and outsourced projects in the hope of eventually digging gold and getting a reliable second "Tales Studio" (Alfa System was pretty close). I don't see any brand "management" happening outside of this effort, "saturation" seems to be a term unknown to them.Stumpokapow said:I really wonder about "Tales".
Is it really that big of a difference between the total games for the DS and the PS2? I had no idea. I guess i have been "blinded" by the DS titles dominating the list the last last 1-2 years or so hehe. If some games Wii, 360, PS3 etc. games are missing from these numbers i guess its not that many so the numbers will look totaly different if they were added? But as you say, the PS2 is relatively much older than the DS so in afterthough it maybe not a big suprise that the PS2 has fairly more game releases than the DS up to this point. If its about 569 PS2 releases in the same time frame as the DS has been out it seems that the PS2 is alittle ahead ye. But damn, over 1500 PS2 releases in Japan only? Its been about 8 years, but still, thats a crazy alot of many games in my opinionStumpokapow said:Not even close at this point; Using Josh's database:
Code:c platform 1541 PS2 358 DS 354 GBA 185 PSP 144 GCN 98 X360 75 Wii 54 PS3 54 Xbox
TWO RESTRICTIONS:
1) Nothing pre-PS2 in the database.
2) Because we have full Famitsu Top 500s for all the old years, but don't yet have them for 2007 (and I don't know if Josh has the top 500 entered for 2006; too lazy to check), it's likely that the DS, PSP, X360, Wii, and PS3 are all missing at least a few games.
Still, I'll one-up myself. The PS2 was released on March 4, 2000. The DS was released on December 2, 2004. That puts the DS at around 3 years and 6 months old, so I'll sort of round off and check for all ps2 software released before September 4, 2003.
Code:c platform 569 PS2
Ta-da!
This isn't perfect, but it suggests the PS2 is a little ahead of the DS. It seems the US has just shy of 600 DS games released (579 as of a few weeks ago, according to DigitPress's "complete US DS collection" thread). I don't have stats for PS2 in the US.
test_account said:As far as i know the PSP was released about 1 week later than the DS in Japan so i would say that these 2 systems were pretty much released simultaneously (if you're refering to the DS and the PSP). But as i wrote earlier, it all depends on how you define "dominating" If you mean the LTD, if you mean weekly and/or monthly sales, if you only mean hardware, if you only mean software or if you mean hardware and software combined. The stuff that was quoted earlier was the hardware sales only. JoshuaJSlone's comparison carts compares the different systems on a weekly basis if i'm not mistaken, thats why i took into account how the hardware sales is doing at the moment. PSP is the best selling system in Japan so far this year. If people want to call that dominating or not, thats up to each person
Just alittle side note, the DS is actually about 3.5 years old in Japan now. Its about 2 years since the DS Lite was launched (i guess maybe that is what you ment?), but afaik the DS sold about 6 million units before the DS Lite was launched so it did sell quite some units before the DS Lite were launched.
About "crushed the PS2 LTD", that can be discussed in my opinion. At the moment the DS LTD has a lead on about 1.44 million over the PS2's LTD. Looking at the pure numbers and taken the time frame into account, the DS is no doubt the winner of preformance, its no doubt about that. However, one system is a "home" console (maybe usually 1 unit per household) while the other is a portable system where maybe several of units excist per household. Nevertheless, its an amazing preformance by the DS, no doubt about that, but i'm just saying that there are some differences between the 2 systems so it can be discussed in my opinion
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Yes total software for DS vs any other console/handheld in any given week.test_account said:Yep, the DS software might be the one that does it the best of them all. I wonder which system between DS and PS2 that has most released software. What do you mean with the last thing you said there by the way, that the DS has sold most software combined compared to any other systems?
Stumpokapow said:I really wonder about "Tales".
First, Namco does TotT (well, has someone else do it). It bombs spectacularly. Then, they inexplicably announce that the DS is the new home for "Tales" games. They then proceed to announce one DS game, one Wii game, and one (?PS)360 game. Tales of Innocence also bombs, but their expectations are tempered and it is well received, effectively erasing at least some of the bad will from TotT.
So where do they go from here?
They have console games that cost more and don't perform as well as the old console games. They have cheap ass remakes and ports, which sell adequately but possibly further dillute the brand. They have the DS which may or may not do well for another Tales game--it'll depend pretty entirely on whether or not ToI did poorly because of bad blood over TotT or if it's just fatigue.
Further, what do they do about the US? There's no proven JRPG market on any platform. Last gen's major offerings did well, but Tales of Phantasia bombed very badly. It strikes me that this is why they're hedging their bets with a three pronged strategy. They have no idea what to do, and they're not willing to retire the series for a few years.
On a personal level, I'm pretty indifferent. I've enjoyed the entries I've played of the series (finished Phantasia, played a good chunk of Symphonia, watched my little sister play part of Abyss, watched a friend play Eternia/ToDII US) and I'll certainly buy Tales of Vesperia when it comes out, but the franchise does need a little bit of a revamp and it won't get it until it bottoms out.
I just commented on the simultaneously releases because you said that i didnt see two simultaneously released consoles (unless you ment DS Lite VS PSP slim, but JoshuaJSlone's comparisons include both DS and PS "phat" numbers as well, atleast as far as i know). I agree with what you're saying, DS is indeed the dominating system between the DS and the PSP if you're looking at the big picture and domination does not excist in a vacuum indeed, well, it totally depends on what you mean with domination and how you look at it as i wrote in my previous posts.Gaborn said:Sure, I guess I can see the point if you're only talking about this year so far hardware only. What I'm saying is that dominance doesn't exist in a vaccuum. You're right, the PSP and the DS released around the same time, but it's less relevant because you're changing the metric by looking at yearly sales. The DS has probably sold a good deal more of whatever it's potential LTD in Japan will be in the DS because it saw unprecedented demand week after week for months, and years, and dominated in software and hardware, and it's at a point where no system has ever been and STILL having solid sales without a price drop. Looking at sales in the narrow window of this year, or even the last 6-7 months isn't an accurate picture of what is actually happening in the market this generation.
I agree here too, looking at the big picture with software and hardware the DS is the dominant one between PSP and DS. And no system this generation will doubtfully reach DS's LTD. It seems that the DS Lite has sold alittle more than the PSP since the launch of the PSP Slim by the way due to the big spikes for the DS around christmas (i think) just so that is saidGaborn said:That's exactly what I meant in fact. Let's look at the two facts you just provided and look at the market relatively speaking. The DS sold about as much as the PSP has (I'm assuming perfectly linear sales, a poor assumption but work with me) in it's "dominant" period with the Slim and crisis core (and monster hunter) with relatively few games early on of inconsistent ("launch" quality). After the DS lite was releast it sold 3/4 (or thereabouts) of the PS2's LTD in 1/4 of the time. So, to me, "dominance" is in part defined in a console's ability to close in on another console's sales at a rapid pace, realistically enough it's going to change something (that is, catch the system it is chasing).
What about the aproximately 6 million DS "phat"s that are sold? It took the DS about 3 years to reach PS2's LTD. The PS2 had been about for about 8 years at that time. 8 divided by 3 is about 2.66. If my math is correct it means that it took the DS about 1/2.66 of the time to outsell the PS2 I'm not downplaying the DS numbers at all. As i wrote in my previous post, the DS is showing an amazing preformance. Looking stricktly at the LTD numbers the DS is over the PS2, and that in a much quicker time as well. I'm just saying that home console and portable systems are 2 different things when we are touching that subject so things can be discussed alittle around this subject in my opinionGaborn said:Dude. The PS2 was the fastest and best selling system in Japan all time. The DS caught it in 1/4 of the time. It doesn't matter if it was a handheld or not, NO SYSTEM HAD DONE THAT BEFORE THE PS2, and yet the DS caught it in 1/4 the time. 1/4!
Ok, thats what i thought, i just had to ask to be sure that i didnt missunderstand, thanks for the answerBishopLamont said:Yes total software for DS vs any other console/handheld in any given week.
[Nintex] said:Rushing the PS4 would be stupid. The GameCube was a failure and Nintendo scrapped the N5 plans they had for 2004(thankfully). They should just wait it out, try to make a small profit since the PS3 was a huge investment. Another Playstation in two years would cripple Sony.
Yea, just let the Sony fanboy have his day in the sun.DeaconKnowledge said:Well in that case, I wouldn't consider "The PSP is currently dominating hardware" disingenuous. But to imply that it's taken over the market with 3 games in the top 50 is quite the misnomer.
Is this comment directed to me? If so, what have i said so i'm a Sony fanboy? Have you read what i have written? I havnt downloaded any numbers or anything, i just stated my opinion that i think there are different forms of domination.31 Flavas said:Yea, just let the Sony fanboy have his day in the sun.
No it was twords, indie85, which I guess is pretty irrelevent now that I read he/she is banned.test_account said:Is this comment directed to me? If so, what have i said so i'm a Sony fanboy? Have you read what i have written? I havnt downloaded any numbers or anything, i just stated my opinion that i think there are different forms of domination.
Ah ok, sorry! :\ My mistake. I asked since you quoted something that DeaconKnowledge said and he replied to something i had written. Thats why i thought you were refering to what i had written so i had to ask to be sure Again, i am sorry for the missunderstanding.31 Flavas said:No it was twords, indie85, which I guess is pretty irrelevent now that I read he/she is banned.
bmf said:80% of the list is for games for Nintendo systems. Nifty.
31 Flavas said:np
I didn't really see indie85 do anything really ban hammerable, though. Or am I missing something? All he did was express crazy support for Sony.
Agent Icebeezy said:Look at this. The situation has virtually flatlined for a year and more important games to the Japanese consumer has been released. Only thing left now is to see if the Wii can make a run for what the PS2 established there.
Only if sales trends stay the same - and that's the point Icebeezy was trying to make. Crazy Sony supporters predict a reversal of the sales trends, which is completely and entirely insane at this point.manueldelalas said:It's an average... the more weeks charted, the more flattened it will be...